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@AOC: (Original Post) dajoki Sep 2019 OP
Logical. dchill Sep 2019 #1
Also, it goes down in the history books as to who sided with foreign adversaries. TheBlackAdder Sep 2019 #19
Yes. That's logical, too. dchill Sep 2019 #33
Correct. HelpImSurrounded Sep 2019 #2
Accountability. Absolutely. Guilded Lilly Sep 2019 #3
Lay the corruption out in the bright light of day Bettie Sep 2019 #4
Their constituents won't see it as corruption - they will see it as loyalty. ehrnst Sep 2019 #11
Do you really think that red states are going to vote for a Dem? brutus smith Sep 2019 #24
Actually, some have elected Democratic Senators. So, yes it matters. ehrnst Sep 2019 #45
I believe these congressmen should uphold the law brutus smith Sep 2019 #47
THEN the voters can decide. Kid Berwyn Sep 2019 #5
repub voters dont give a sh*t johnnyfins Sep 2019 #6
Yep. ehrnst Sep 2019 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2019 #27
Nah. Repub voters are being lied to about corruption sharedvalues Sep 2019 #40
Exactly. And Democrats will be looked upon as those who tried to save our nation's democracy, KPN Sep 2019 #7
And Blue Senators in red states will lose their seat if they vote that way ehrnst Sep 2019 #9
That will be a plus for them in the eyes of their constituents. They will JUMP at the chance. ehrnst Sep 2019 #8
Who cares what Moscow Mitch thinks? brutus smith Sep 2019 #26
I'm talking about paying attention what he *says* and *doesn't say.* ehrnst Sep 2019 #42
"Why do you think that McConnell isn't banging the drum against impeachment" melman Sep 2019 #34
Perhaps you didn't read the OP? There is discussion of impeachment going on. ehrnst Sep 2019 #44
Moscow Mitch is a poor compass to set course by Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #39
Didn't say he was a compass. More like an indicator. ehrnst Sep 2019 #43
History will not view republicans well. Dark days. ffr Sep 2019 #10
Same for Pelosi this if she keeps dragging her feet on this. calimary Sep 2019 #14
I disagree. She's always been on the right side of history, so I'll trust her judgement ffr Sep 2019 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2019 #29
Moscow Mitch will Merrick Garland any impeachment referral bucolic_frolic Sep 2019 #13
If the House votes to impeach, the Senate must hold the trial. backscatter712 Sep 2019 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2019 #30
"The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments." bucolic_frolic Sep 2019 #31
K & R warmfeet Sep 2019 #16
I agree 1000% spanone Sep 2019 #17
And make them do it while they (& Trump) are campaigning for reelection. CaptainTruth Sep 2019 #20
It starts like this... SCVDem Sep 2019 #21
AOC for President in 2028! zentrum Sep 2019 #22
Looking forward to it BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #28
LOVE me some AOC! yuiyoshida Sep 2019 #23
She gives life to the party brutus smith Sep 2019 #25
Equal stain on Dems careers who DON'T act... kxs Sep 2019 #32
+1000 even democrats high up the food chain, especially them. triron Sep 2019 #35
absolutely right on, kxs Skittles Sep 2019 #37
CORRECT! Skittles Sep 2019 #36
My thoughts exactly... kyburbonkid Sep 2019 #38
Me too! nt intrepidity Sep 2019 #41
I mean, it will help the Republicans in their primaries, probably Recursion Sep 2019 #46
Exactly Ingersollman Sep 2019 #48

Bettie

(16,083 posts)
4. Lay the corruption out in the bright light of day
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 12:26 PM
Sep 2019

and then hang it around their necks.

They explicitly support corruption.

She's right.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
11. Their constituents won't see it as corruption - they will see it as loyalty.
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 01:39 PM
Sep 2019

You really think that a Democratic House led impeachment is going to be accepted by red states and districts as anything but an attack on them? Especially when he gets "exonerated" by the Senate?

You think any person who doesn't think Trump is a crook now will be convinced by Democrats going after him?

Trump has an 88% approval rating among republican voters. GOP senators who haven't already gotten out are going to JUMP at the chance to have that vote on their record going into their next campaign.

Do you ever hear McConnell talking about the "danger" of impeachment to our country?

Why do you think that is?



 

brutus smith

(685 posts)
24. Do you really think that red states are going to vote for a Dem?
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 02:49 PM
Sep 2019

It doesn't matter what we do to them. Impeach now! 😁

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
45. Actually, some have elected Democratic Senators. So, yes it matters.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 08:09 AM
Sep 2019

Google the following: Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.), Joe Manchin (W.Va.) and Jon Tester (D-Mont.) Say what you will about them, they are all preferable to any Susan Collins.

Perhaps you have forgotten what happened to Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.) in 2018 after she voted no to the Kavanaugh confirmation.

You may also want to google what the constitution states is neccessary to "impeach now!" But for your convenience here it is:

They need a majority of the House to vote yes. As of this week, there are 217 Democrats (plus independent Justin Amash) on board —which means they must gather at least 87 more commitments by the end of the year. There are currently 235 Democrats.

If they were to vote to impeach NOW! without those commitments, the vote to impeach fails.

You truly believe that's something that would be helpful?




My understanding is that an inquiry is being called. That may not be red meat enough for some, but there is a process for these, no matter how little instant gratification if offers.




Response to johnnyfins (Reply #6)

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
40. Nah. Repub voters are being lied to about corruption
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 10:22 PM
Sep 2019

Fox and Limbaugh hide and/or lie about Republican corruption and criminality. That’s why the voters don’t care. They don’t know, or they think falsely that Dems are worse. Because they are being lied to.

KPN

(15,641 posts)
7. Exactly. And Democrats will be looked upon as those who tried to save our nation's democracy,
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 01:03 PM
Sep 2019

the global economy and the global security that goes along with it, and the earth (as long as there is a history at least).

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
9. And Blue Senators in red states will lose their seat if they vote that way
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 01:34 PM
Sep 2019

See also: The Kavanaugh confirmation.

As will Blue Congresspersons in swing districts.

Dems will be looked upon as caring more about what the history books wrote about them than actually saving the country by taking back the Senate and keeping the House....for an impeachment that won't shorten his time in office, or prevent him from doing anything other than overreacting, and possibly starting a war or Reichstag Fire to distract.


 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
8. That will be a plus for them in the eyes of their constituents. They will JUMP at the chance.
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 01:30 PM
Sep 2019

Trump has an 88% approval rating among Republicans. There will be no shame for them - just keeping their seats and lots of cheers the next time they go back home.

Why do you think that McConnell isn't banging the drum against impeachment? It's a win-win for the GOP.



 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
42. I'm talking about paying attention what he *says* and *doesn't say.*
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 07:30 AM
Sep 2019

Sensible people pay attention to enemies because ignoring them gives them an advantage, yes?

You can tell who and what the GOP is threatened by with observation. If they attack a particular candidate - as Moscow Mitch and the GOP did HRC - that indicates a strategy designed to damage her chances, which we know was Russia's preference. If they don't attack a Dem opponent, then you know they prefer that candidate to win, which as the Mueller investigation found was also Russia's preference.

So, you see, if Moscow Mitch, who speaks for the GOP in the Senate isn't trying to gin up opposition to impeachment, that indicates a strategy that sees impeachment as a good scenario for the GOP. Which might also be Russia's preference.

It would be similarly foolish to ignore Trump tweets, because "why should we care?"

Is that clearer?

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
34. "Why do you think that McConnell isn't banging the drum against impeachment"
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 05:54 PM
Sep 2019

This makes no sense whatsoever. Why would he be banging that drum when nothing's happening?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
44. Perhaps you didn't read the OP? There is discussion of impeachment going on.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 07:40 AM
Sep 2019

So, yes, that's what's happening that he could be "banging the drum against."

Perhaps you've missed the many posts and discussions concerning impeachment here on DU.

And perhaps you missed that Nadler has announced an impeachment probe.

Maybe this will make more sense to you - remember when Mitch and the GOP were banging the drum about "Benghazi scandal" to harm HRC's candidacy for POTUS, even when she hadn't yet announced it? That's what I'm talking about.

They're doing the opposite in this case. If they wanted to neutralize impeachment, they'd be treating it like a potential HRC candidacy, doing what they could to discredit the idea. They'd be doing way, way more than simply saying that it wouldn't get past the Senate.

They don't stand by when they think that something is a potential threat to their power. They make offensive strikes, play dirty (see also Al Franken). The only think that McConnell has said in response is that it won't even get a vote in the Senate. Nada trying to discredit an impeachment process from going forward in Congress.

Is that clearer?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
43. Didn't say he was a compass. More like an indicator.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 07:38 AM
Sep 2019

To ignore what he's saying is foolish, because he often is the mouthpiece for the party.

Is that clearer?

calimary

(81,179 posts)
14. Same for Pelosi this if she keeps dragging her feet on this.
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 01:40 PM
Sep 2019

A spotless record, except for a single big one.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
15. I disagree. She's always been on the right side of history, so I'll trust her judgement
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 01:43 PM
Sep 2019

I don't know what she knows.

Response to calimary (Reply #14)

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
18. If the House votes to impeach, the Senate must hold the trial.
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 01:56 PM
Sep 2019

Which means the strategy is to have hearings starting now, make things heat up red hot in the spring, vote to impeach about mid-summer or so, and ideally, force the Senate to hold the vote to convict or acquit in mid-October. Right before the election.

Response to backscatter712 (Reply #18)

bucolic_frolic

(43,111 posts)
31. "The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments."
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 03:40 PM
Sep 2019

Where does it say they have to use or execute that power? Mitch won't do this. Period.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
21. It starts like this...
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 02:03 PM
Sep 2019

I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of America. This is not an option!

Not trump or the republicans.

If you don't agree with that you should lose your citizenship.

What say you republican Congress people?

 

brutus smith

(685 posts)
25. She gives life to the party
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 02:55 PM
Sep 2019

The Debby downers who don't want to impeach are the go along get along crowd.

kxs

(20 posts)
32. Equal stain on Dems careers who DON'T act...
Wed Sep 11, 2019, 05:27 PM
Sep 2019

This is not rocket science, Dems. Plus not doing anything turns into a massive negative - that will be a stain on YOUR careers for the rest of YOUR lives...

@AOC: "I want to see every Republican go on the record and knowingly vote against impeachment of this President, knowing his corruption, having it on the record so that they can have that stain on their careers rest of their lives because this is outrageous.
Via The Hill

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
46. I mean, it will help the Republicans in their primaries, probably
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 08:12 AM
Sep 2019

I don't think it's actively harmful but the idea that this will be a negative thing for Republicans kind of misses the point.

Ingersollman

(204 posts)
48. Exactly
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 09:05 AM
Sep 2019

this. I agree with AOC! Get them on the record as supporting this grotesque clown. Hang it around their necks like the proverbial albatross. Never forget. Never let them live it down.

She will make a great President one day.

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