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mpreorder

(51 posts)
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 09:01 AM Sep 2019

All people are NOT created equal.

Let's get that out of the way right now. Some are smarter, some prettier, some with more motivation, skills, and opportunity than others. The list goes on to the limits of human characteristics. (Like it or not we are all snowflakes, as much as I hate that term being used as a label.)
When Obama ran he was labeled as an elitist because of his background. Trump got elected, in part, because he talked like he was one of the masses, even though he wasn't. He remains popular with his base because he still does. We all struggle with how to talk to our more conservative friends. Sometimes I ask them if they would let a person with no education do brain surgery on them. Let's ignore the die-hards who tell me if they were comfortable with them they would, no headway can be made, ever, with those folks. But for those who understand the point I ask:
"So who should lead the free-world, a common joe or the smartest fucking person you can find?"
I hope I've changed some minds about Trump. But I don't know, I honestly don't know.

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All people are NOT created equal. (Original Post) mpreorder Sep 2019 OP
I agree with the title of your op abqtommy Sep 2019 #1
I disagree with misconstruing that phrase for the US Constitution! Jeffersons Ghost Sep 2019 #8
You are talking about what is valued, not equality ismnotwasm Sep 2019 #2
I want a President who is FAR smarter than I superpatriotman Sep 2019 #3
Hmmm.... concreteblue Sep 2019 #5
Created... Newest Reality Sep 2019 #4
I disagree Nonhlanhla Sep 2019 #6
they have pushed the notion that a politicians are *only* supposed to be representative unblock Sep 2019 #7
Ben Carson would never touch my brain No matter how qualified. I don't trust idiots. BSdetect Sep 2019 #9
Let me get this straight. You're trying to change peoples' minds about trump? brush Sep 2019 #10
we may not be created with equal skills scarytomcat Sep 2019 #11

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
1. I agree with the title of your op
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 09:04 AM
Sep 2019

but in a truly democratic society everyone, in their diversity, should be equal under the law and right now we don't have that.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
8. I disagree with misconstruing that phrase for the US Constitution!
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 10:10 AM
Sep 2019

A well-educated Thomas Jefferson and his advisers, knew that all men were not "created equal."

But, all men (at the time - not women) should be treated equally with "equal" opportunity and specific "inalienable rights."

Although, I have no intention of making ANY false accusations for an uninformed misrepresentation of the US Constitution, the headline is reminiscent of a Teflon Don interpretation, although the body copy isn't racist, like Trump crime syndicate hate-mongers would tweet.

ismnotwasm

(41,975 posts)
2. You are talking about what is valued, not equality
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 09:09 AM
Sep 2019

and no,we are not all “snowflakes” although I find the Right wing gets their feelings hurt far easier than the left.

I’m not trying to change one single mind about Trump. He never hid what he is. Hatred and bigotry are a large part of why he was elected.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
4. Created...
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 09:20 AM
Sep 2019

Using the word, "created" has interesting implications. It could have a religious connotation or merely refer to one's parents and the biology.

A being emerges, one way or another, into the World. Most humans emerge with basic and common attributes. From that point on, the surrounding culture inculcates concepts about the environment and the meanings associated with things. That varies.

These days nature and nurture, though there are still arguments about it, are not a dichotomy as much as a they are coextensive.

Intelligence is only one important factor for a leader, but there are also other factors that are important and I would think a well-rounded person who also has good emotional intelligence, philosophical proclivities, common sense, compassion and Wisdom as well as political skills and a diverse scope of knowledge would be the most appropriate choice. The Philosopher Kings come to mind here.

If we had carefully designed tests that avoided political bias, but covered a range of personality and intelligence factors in a candidate, that would be ideal. So far, we vet workers for part-time jobs more scrupulously and only rely on more superficial aspects that we can observe and often, anecdotal evidence.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
6. I disagree
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 09:27 AM
Sep 2019

All people are created equal means that all have the same value, deserve the same basic respect, and have the same human rights. What you’re talking about is whether all have the same abilities, which they obviously don’t.

unblock

(52,195 posts)
7. they have pushed the notion that a politicians are *only* supposed to be representative
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 09:59 AM
Sep 2019

they do not buy the argument that skill, knowledge, talent, or even competence is a particularly desirable trait in a politician.

well, at least not when it comes to republicans.

they believe that all that is necessary or even appropriate is for the president to be representative of the people (well, again, republicans).

they argue that a president surrounds himself with smart people, as if the leading and decision-making a president does doesn't require any intelligence or wisdom, only a "representative" sense of the collective mood of the nation.



while having a finger on the pulse of the nation is obviously important, it hardly negates the need for a president to have many other talents and traits.

brush

(53,764 posts)
10. Let me get this straight. You're trying to change peoples' minds about trump?
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 11:58 AM
Sep 2019

Why? Are you a trump supporter?

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
11. we may not be created with equal skills
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 08:24 PM
Sep 2019

but our Constitution gives equal rights to everyone, time we stand for the Constitution and make it true. The person who gets the most votes should get the job.

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