Protecting kids from the evils of vaping?

[OilemFirchen]

Wow. Some Governors (and a whole country) are pretty quick on the trigger, eh?

Here is Camel's newest cigarette box:





Careful, kids... there may be an atomizer in there!

[Thekaspervote]

1. There have been 5 reported deaths and 450 lung injuries reported due to flavored vaping

Can supply a link if you like

[OilemFirchen]

2. And there's a cigarette box that you can color! (n/t)

[jayfish]

3. Please do.

One that unequivocally states those deaths were caused by flavored, nicotine, e-liquid. Also, you should look into 5-gal industrial buckets.

http://marshallbrain.com/cp/buckets.htm

[Thekaspervote]

18. Here's the link

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/09/06/lung-illness-tied-vaping-has-killed-third-person-may-be-new-worrisome-disease-officials-say/

[jayfish]

23. See Post #6 but;...

from your link.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warned that no consistent e-cigarette products have been linked to the disorder and that, while some victims used marijuana-based products, some reported using marijuana and nicotine products, and a smaller group reported using only nicotine products.

I can almost guarantee that the people who claim to have used only nicotine products are lying about it.

[Thomas Hurt]

4. The concern over vaping is not the issue...

the issue is that the right doesn't really give a sh*t about kids vaping or getting shot or having unprotected sex.

It is about moralizing and propaganda. This is a political scam.

[jayfish]

5. "This is a political scam."

And big tobacco loves it!

[mr_lebowski]

6. And your link will be outdated ... now, news shows it's THC cut with Vitamin E almost surely ...

that is the source of the sickness!

The chemical was found in most of the samples that were collected by the FDA from patients that fell ill from THC vaping all over the country. The FDA shared the news with the New York health department via a telephone briefing according to The Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/09/05/contaminant-found-vaping-products-linked-deadly-lung-illnesses-state-federal-labs-show/

I will bet every one of you ANY amount of money ... that when all is said and done, this problem will have NOTHING to do with the vaping of flavored nicotine e-juice bought from a reputable source.

LITERALLY 10's of MILLIONS OF PEOPLE VAPE FLAVORED E-LIQUID WORLDWIDE, DAILY, going back to 2007.

And JUST NOW, all of a sudden, a handful (relatively) of people are getting sick? And nearly every single one of them has admitted to vaping THC products? And it's only in the USA?

Use your heads, y'all.

Some poison/contaminant was introduced into the supply in the USA recently. It's not an inherent problem with vaping flavored e-liquids, or PEOPLE WOULD BE SICK ALL OVER THE WORLD, and it wouldn't be happening SUDDENLY, ALL AT ONCE, it'd have been happening all along.

A new contaminant is the only thing that makes sense!

"Vitamin E acetate (...) was as a result of unscrupulous companies making cutting agents for hash oil that is used in vaping cartridges."

^^^ This right here ... WILL TURN OUT TO BE ... the cause. Mark my words.

[Akacia]

7. exactly, thank you.nt

[Lady Freedom Returns]

8. What gets me is....

How fast everyone is to outlaw e- cigarettes after 7-8 deaths, but when people are killed in a mass shooting many are like "let's cool down before we go crazy about guns"

And nothing gets done.

[GReedDiamond]

17. THIS! ...nt

[TexasBushwhacker]

9. Perhaps they'll start including little prizes like Cracker Jack

Few people would enjoy smoking natural, additive free, tobacco. So tobacco companies add hundreds of chemicals, flavors and spices to make it more palatable, especially to younger smokers. They add bronchodialators so that the smoke goes deeper into your lungs. They add chemicals that increase the absorption of nicotine so that smoking has a bigger kick and is more addictive.

[pwb]

10. I support the ban.

Vaping was suppose to help people quit smoking toxic cigarettes. Putting in candy flavor seems like a Putin move.

[jayfish]

11. Wait... What!?

How does that make any sense? Nice touch equating us the Putin too.

[pwb]

14. Vaping has less carcinogens. Make sense?

I quit many times before vaping I wish they had it then . Haven't smoked now over 20 years.

[jayfish]

15. No... It doesn't.

Unless I missed a tag somewhere. Good on you on being smoke-free for 20 years.

[pwb]

16. Well you don't make sense to me either, no biggy

Lets see how the thread sorts this out. I put on a nicotine patch for two days and never lit up again. No sarcasm.

[Hekate]

12. Putin had nothing to do with the deadly greed of Big Tobacco USA. Joe Camel was aimed directly ...

...at kids aged 10-12-14. For those who remember that ad campaign. And I do because my daughter got hooked for life.

The candy flavors and shiny colors of vapes are more of the same to the same age geoup.

[pwb]

13. How do you know?

Putin would love to hurt our children.

[mr_lebowski]

20. No, they are not.

Adults like fruit and candy and dessert flavors just like kids ... and the vaping industry, especially the e-juice industry, is ABSOLUTELY NOT 'big tobacco' ... when it started, it was all mom and pop type outfits (some have gotten much bigger now of course). These candy flavors have existed since vaping has existed.

Vaping is not a 'big tobacco thing'. Big Tobacco is losing money on it, big time. That's why they're now, finally getting fully aboard buying portions of companies like Juul and Blu and such.

Products which are way different from traditional vaping, using mods and e-liquids, I might add. And FAR FAR more expensive.

Banning flavored e-liquids will drive the mom and pops out of business ... and allow Big Tobacco-backed Juul and Blu and their ilk ... to corner the market.

[mr_lebowski]

19. The candy flavors have existed since DAY 1 my friend ... all created by very small

Mom and pop-type outfits.

There's been juices flavored like candies, fruits, desserts, sodas ... you name it ... all along, since 2008 when vaping got started.

Vape shops don't allow in anyone under 18. They card everyone who looks remotely young.

Why should the rest of us ADULTS, consuming a LEGAL PRODUCT, have to suffer because some parents don't take responsibility for their snot-nosed brats who break the law?

I love Jolly Ranchers Candy, still eat it on the regular ... I also like Jolly Rancher flavored vape juice. Why can't I have it? Why should I HAVE to have SHITTY tasting vape juice?

And by the way, why are alcohol companies allowed to fill the stores with sugary, kid-friendly alcoholic beverages, and nobody says shit?

And lastly, to your 'point' about helping people quit smoking ... let me ask you something. Let's say I'm an alcoholic (I am, actually lol) ... and let say O'Douls had no alcohol in it, but tasted like beer.

If you're my AA sponsor, you're trying to help me break my case of beer a day habit ... are you going recommend to me that it'd be helpful if that I replace my Case of Beer with a Case of O'Douls?

If so, you'd be going directly against what any professional would recommend. You don't want to replace what you're trying to quit with something that's as CLOSE AS POSSIBLE ... you want to switch to something that's LESS like you're trying to quit.

Forcing people trying to quit smoking into vaping 'tobacco flavor' juice is EXACTLY as illogical as telling an alcoholic to switch to near-beer. It's not the recommended methodology.

[LuckyCharms]

21. +1 n/t

[pwb]

22. WE all do our own thing right.

What works for some doesn't work for others. I never vaped any nicotine products. I do vape MM and tried the flavored black market MM vapes and thought they tasted like shit. NY does not allow flavored MM where i shop.