The Senate wouldn't convict Trump for anything.

[Kingofalldems]

Not even murder committed in public view.

So it is very odd we are seeing all the trash Nancy posts.

In the latest case she can't impeach until evidence is presented.

[Skittles]

1. we should be doing the right thing

REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE FUCKING SENATE DOES

[gulliver]

3. We are.

It would hurt the Constitution to confirm to Trump and his Republicans that they can ignore it by letting them abuse their positions of power. We need to put the Republicans in a position where they can't destroy the Constitution by flouting it during the full exercise of one of its explicit powers: impeachment.

[pbmus]

2. Yep, best estimate 8 weeks...before courts say ok on latest evidence..

Then another break til January, then , oh ffs , the most corrupt president in our history runs the most divisive campaign in America’s history and somehow gets within 2 % of popular vote but wins key electoral states...and everyone of our representatives are willing to bet otherwise...

UTTER FUCKING MADNESS...

This crisis is like our climate...WE MUST IMPEACH NOW

[Skittles]

4. I am so, SO sick of the naysayers

[pbmus]

5. Holy shitskabobbers...

This country is being taken over and they argue about impeachment...

[Skittles]

6. they act like the election will fix everything

AS IF IT WILL BE A CLEAN ELECTION

it's like they have not learned ANYTHING

[wasupaloopa]

38. Impeachment won't fix anything. Go ahead impeach trump,

But stop thinking it will get rid of trump.

Only the 2020 election can get rid of trump.

No matter how much head banging you do you can’t get the Repubs to convict trump.

[Skittles]

39. omfg

over and OUT

[wasupaloopa]

42. OMFG you are not agreeing with me. What is you plan to get rid of trump? Realisticly.

[DrToast]

7. One step at a time

[GulfCoast66]

8. A failed Impeachment or conviction is a binary choice.

Do you think failing to impeach or convict makes it more likely he will lose in 2020? Support failing to impeachment or convict.

Do you think not Failing to impeach or convict makes it more likely he loses in 2020? Do not support impeachment.

I favor the latter. All those yelling for Impeachment now will be demoralized to the point of giving up when it fails. And it will.

And all this ‘do the right thing’? Give me a break. This is politics. The only thing that matters is the winning thing. Sad but has always been true. If you lose you can do nothing. Right or wrong. Had we not won the house last year they would have gotten their shit together and what is happening now would look like paradise because they would have put all this shit into law rather than things a Democratic President can overturn in her or his first week in office.

[pbmus]

9. He should not be running in 2020...

He is already an illegitimate president...talking about an electoral college won by 70 thousand votes over 3 states...

Your premise is that we will win in an electoral system rigged by republicans...

What have you learned..?

I will not be demoralized, because everyday there will be another lying puke coming before the hearings cameras lying to the American people...

And if it ever gets to the senate vote SO FUCKING WHAT IF THEY VOTE NO...IT WILL AT LEAST BE PROVEN TO EVERYONE ELSE HOW CORRUPT THESE SLIMEBALLS ARE...

[GulfCoast66]

10. I've learned that if we get out the vote we win.

And what options do you offer? He will not be removed from office. No how, no way. Not happening. We will never get 67 votes in the senate to do so.

In my mind to continue focusing on an impossibility is insanity. It’s like basing your retirement on the lottery.

But we can beat him at the polls. We just did it last year. So it defies logic to focus on anything but the one way we have to remove him.

[pbmus]

11. And you are also forgetting that by starting impeachment now...

We will be impeaching him during the election and if it continues after and he loses(which you are betting democracy on), then we can finish the impeachment...because nobody wants to imagine sending this scuzball a check for 200,000 every year until he drops dead...

[GulfCoast66]

13. Your totally dodging my question.

impeachment after he loses?? That crazy talk. No need after that point. And even if we win the senate we will never have 67 votes. To pretend otherwise is delusional.

But if we have no chance of removing him from office, and our only hope is winning in 2020, why change the focus from what won for us in 18. It’s not like his is anymore batshit crazy now. OK. Some. But many of his supporters love it.

It comes down to this: do you think a failed impeachment helps us win in 2020.

[pbmus]

14. Not crazy talk...we can impeach after he leaves office...

He is not only going to face the hundreds of lawsuits and the criminal liability he has, but we can impeach after he is drug out of the White House by marshals...

The answer to your question is...another more important question...

How do we look if we do not impeach the most corrupt president in America’s history.?

[GulfCoast66]

15. I get you must be living vicariously on this post.

Because Impeachment after he loses would not happen. But since we will never have 67 votes in the Senate to convict makes that talk even more fantastical.

[pbmus]

16. Read up...and we are supposed to be winning back the senate...

[GulfCoast66]

46. Winning the senate means having the majority.

Not 67 seats! No one thinks that is happening.

[JI7]

41. just look at the reaction to lewandowski hearings .

[world wide wally]

12. Nancy,

We are getting pissed off at you

[GulfCoast66]

17. Lots of us are pleased.

I think a failed attempt to remove him from office would devastate us. Give him a win.

And we will never have 67 votes in the senate to convict.

As it stands now we do not, and will not have the votes in the house to impeach. We finally ran a 50 state primary and it took us to victory. Which means we now have a much more moderate House than 3 years ago. But a house where we are in the majority

[pbmus]

18. Doesn't look like a majority if you cannot get a vote to impeach...

[GulfCoast66]

19. News flash: The Majority leader knows her caucus.

Only an incompetent leader brings up a vote she knows will lose.

Speaker Pelosi in hardly incompetent.

And the Senate? He is not being removed from office until the 2020 elections. No way, no how.

We need to focus on that. Not some impeachment and conviction fantasy.

[pbmus]

21. So you are admitting we are not a majority...

[world wide wally]

22. So, you're saying Trump is above the law?

Just like he says

[GulfCoast66]

24. Impeachment has nothing to do with law.

It is 100% political.

In politics there is no right or wrong. Just winning.

In my opinion if we try to impeach and fail we all but insure a trump win in 2020.

If we keep talking about how we are going to improve Americans lives thru Democratic policies while at the same time continuing to investigate and dig up dirt on trump it gives us the best chance of winning.

All this said with one thing firmly in mind. We will Never get 67 votes to remove him from office.

He is going to serve till he loses, is term limited out, or dies.

[world wide wally]

27. We are guaranteed to lose...

And we can hold every GOP Senator accountable during the election

[GulfCoast66]

29. As if supporting trump after a failed impeachment will hurt them?

[world wide wally]

30. Yes

The American people are sick of the corruption.
I know, because I am one of them.

[GulfCoast66]

31. Well then we should have no problem winning next year.

If the Americans are so sick of it.

Personally I agree. I think we win it.

But a failed impeachment makes it less likely.

[world wide wally]

33. We can't go 24 hours without him making the world a worse place to live.

How are we even going to survive another 16 months with no limits set on him?

[Codeine]

43. Speak for yourself. nt

[world wide wally]

47. I was

[herding cats]

20. No one cares.

Social media is filled with righteousness indignation about how things should be but aren't. They need someone to lay blame on so they don't have to actually get out and work in the streets to effect real change and oust Trump. Which is why we can't get more people as pissed off as we are. They're content to complain on line and feel like they're "activists" in the real world. Bots do that, not real activist.

Americans apparently are lazy keyboard warriors. It's pitiful, really.

[GulfCoast66]

25. So let's assume we have the votes to impeach him.

Which we don’t. But assume we do.

The Senate will never convict. He will still be president having won a huge victory.

What does that accomplish us moving into 2020? B

[herding cats]

26. I wasn't referencing DU.

I'm sorry, was the post about us here? I missed that! I meant in the wider realm of the internet and all the pseudo activism out there which clearly isn't. More people here are activists than most other places, so I may have missed the innuendo?

Peace.

[herding cats]

32. No, I reread it.

I do not see an indictment on DUers. It reads as a general statement on pseudo activism kneecaping Pelosi.

I'm reminded of why I don't frequent here anymore.

[herding cats]

40. Seriously? You deleted your reply to me without addressing me at all?

Wow. Rude. Impolite.

I have more adjectives, but manners preclude their use here.

[grumpyduck]

28. Fuck them. Party over country.

[Mme. Defarge]

34. Make. Them. Go. On. Record.

[JoeOtterbein]

35. The evidence will be our demise.

[micDROP]

36. All we can do...

We need to do the right thing and regardless of the Senate, make the people's will known that a vote NOT to impeach trump is a vote for fascism.

[wasupaloopa]

37. Impeachment fine. Just stop saying it will get rid of trump.

Only an election will get rid of trump.

[NCLefty]

44. This continues to be true, but the base is the controlling factor here.

They don't turn because they've already accepted his bad parts, no matter WHAT they are. After all of this, he probably could murder someone and still retain 30% of his 40% (as long as it was a refugee, Muslim, or a liberal).

I believe he will be repudiated pretty hard in 2020. And that's what MUST happen if we are to do any kind of "fixing" of this. His voters aren't all going to die. They need to experience a pretty big failure in order to find change.

[Mike Nelson]

45. Nancy probably has...

... some House members reluctant to vote, also. What if even the House failed to start impeachment? She must know how many votes she has... and there may be losses, for some of those votes. As far as the Senate goes, the present Senate will not convict. If they do, we get President Pence running as a grandfatherly incumbent "healer" - no thank you. I think the best we can do is a few Republicans - we need 67 to convict. I don't even think Moscow Mitch will allow a vote.