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Funtatlaguy

(10,868 posts)
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 06:36 AM Sep 2019

It's really past bad with my family & friends Trumpers.

Like I bet many of you have had to do over the past 3 years, I’ve had to ask myself some really hard questions lately.
When is enuf enuf?
If these (supposedly) good people in my life continue to support this man who is destroying our country, how do I remain in the SAME type of relationship with them.
I’ve already canceled any social media to avoid their vile.
I’ve dropped those relationships that were just casual.
And, now, I’m thinking about dropping some REALLY important relationships.
With most, (as I’m sure you’ve probably done) we have always just agreed to disagree and just never discuss politics.
But more and more it seemed to seep into everyday life with snide remarks with them or their friends, neighbors, and acquaintances about how great Trump is in “owning the libs”.
I am not a confrontational person.
I often go along to get along.
But, if I hear one more Trumper say.... “who cares about the stupid shit he says, my 401K looks great”.
First, why does he get credit for that?
Second, why does Obama/Biden get no credit for saving us from a likely depression?
Third, no matter how good the stock market is doing right now, what goes up usually comes down.
Fourth, is having another car 🚘 or a boat 🚣‍♀️ really worth the damage that this evil corrupt person is doing to our country and to our planet?
Fifth, have these people been so outFauxed and Rush Limbotomized that they really believe the country would be better off with four more years of him than a “radical, tree hugging, baby killing, bed wetting liberal”? (That was rhetorical- of course they do).

The really heart ❤️ crushing part is that these are people that I love and that love me.
How do I keep them in my life and still keep my self respect and semi sanity?

This is what I hate most about Trump. He has impacted my actual life so negatively.
Or, make that, I have ALLOWED him to do so.
Any suggestions from those that understand where I’m coming from?

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It's really past bad with my family & friends Trumpers. (Original Post) Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 OP
youre not alone..I have disowned one sis and the other one I dont even like... samnsara Sep 2019 #1
I hate the loss of your sister. Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #2
Except Trump. pangaia Sep 2019 #68
Hear, hear... I agree with you 100% secondwind Sep 2019 #17
Me too, but not over Trump..... ProudMNDemocrat Sep 2019 #57
Everyday our congress sits idle, the more it embolden's trump and the retrumplicans. brutus smith Sep 2019 #3
What do you mean by Congress? yardwork Sep 2019 #51
Oh, you mean the hearings where they don't answer questions? brutus smith Sep 2019 #86
I would distance myself, but I don't madaboutharry Sep 2019 #4
Can we swap families until after November 2020...lol. Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #6
A Trump flag! Oh jeez. madaboutharry Sep 2019 #8
The majority of the Trump Drag disappeared in my area recently. Hugin Sep 2019 #79
That would kill me to see that everyday! Cha Sep 2019 #106
" It isn't like we are living in nazi Germany." pangaia Sep 2019 #69
"Naza Germany" didn't happen overnight Boomer Sep 2019 #72
+1000 smirkymonkey Sep 2019 #98
Yes,it is. True Blue American Sep 2019 #102
"It isn't like anyone is supporting genocide" PatSeg Sep 2019 #74
I wish I had a dollar for every time I have heard "We need to round up all the ********, Midnight Writer Sep 2019 #101
Me too blue cat Sep 2019 #114
"Or, make that, I have ALLOWED him to do so. " Kaleva Sep 2019 #5
I wish I was well adjusted. Think I'm losing it. Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #7
I just accept the fact that we have freedom of speech and people can express their opinions Kaleva Sep 2019 #9
But it's not just the difference in political party preference. luvtheGWN Sep 2019 #63
Exactly! mountain grammy Sep 2019 #76
"... we have freedom of speech and people can express their opinions..." pangaia Sep 2019 #70
Our own Constitution protects freedom of speech. Kaleva Sep 2019 #107
"I've also decided long ago not to let them control me and my emotions. I'm a free man." pangaia Sep 2019 #108
Germany doesn't have our consitution Kaleva Sep 2019 #116
"It is no measure of health sammythecat Sep 2019 #94
You can control it to a certain point. I will counter a couple of my family members onetexan Sep 2019 #44
But doesn't it depend partly on what people say and do? yardwork Sep 2019 #58
OP doesn't want to distance himself from thses people Kaleva Sep 2019 #115
I was at a wedding earlier this month. Bride and groom met at a teaparty type thing. empedocles Sep 2019 #10
For starters, get new friends. GeorgeGist Sep 2019 #11
Same boat BigOleDummy Sep 2019 #12
We are kindred spirits Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #24
People who would have inherited money from me when I die Croney Sep 2019 #13
Yep, my Dem niece yes. My Trumper nephew no. Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #42
Next level will MikeIsInProcess Sep 2019 #49
Maybe let them know why when you pass. nt tblue37 Sep 2019 #65
OMG, Uncle Croney!! snort Sep 2019 #111
Haha. Make that Grannie Croney! Croney Sep 2019 #117
I love it! Iris Sep 2019 #121
As Madaboutharry and Kaleva say. Hortensis Sep 2019 #14
Understand is so not the point Boomer Sep 2019 #81
You miss your own point. You're right. Understanding is not approval. Hortensis Sep 2019 #84
Love cannot be separated from character I_UndergroundPanther Sep 2019 #89
About the great 401k's -- the stock market has stalled over the last 20 months progree Sep 2019 #15
Agree 100xxx. tavernier Sep 2019 #103
If it wasn't the stock market and IRAs, it Ilsa Sep 2019 #16
That's why it's important to discuss Fox and rightwing media lies sharedvalues Sep 2019 #41
They know Fox News is blocked it my house. They just laugh. Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #43
Call them "suckers" and "useful idiots" sharedvalues Sep 2019 #50
That kind of language would end things. I've thought about it. Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #54
That's kind of the point. Also, it's true. sharedvalues Sep 2019 #90
Stupid and crazy people will only get you into trouble. The Wizard Sep 2019 #18
Fred Gwynn in Disorganized Crime. paleotn Sep 2019 #33
Let it be.... Bluethroughu Sep 2019 #19
Great advice sharedvalues Sep 2019 #40
Oh, I've pulled the Rupert Murdoch card. They cite his "liberal" wife. Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #45
Call them suckers. Talk about his tax cut and how he's screing hem sharedvalues Sep 2019 #47
"billionaires, and suckers". Yes, the CONservatives (as in con men) and the CONNEDservatives progree Sep 2019 #64
I just think in my opinion on how I have responded to members in my family on turbinetree Sep 2019 #20
I've categorized people more during the last three years Buckeyeblue Sep 2019 #21
Reconciling the irreconcilable Fyrefox Sep 2019 #22
I feel your pain... paleotn Sep 2019 #23
Fetus worshippers, child haters sharedvalues Sep 2019 #39
I've categorized. Amimnoch Sep 2019 #25
For the people cutting ties with their family etc..you're letting Trump win and Oregon1947 Sep 2019 #26
Nice slippery slope fallacy . . . hatrack Sep 2019 #30
That's actually step number 875 after not speaking. paleotn Sep 2019 #35
Yes! Politics is REAL LIFE. sharedvalues Sep 2019 #38
Real people are suffering from the rise of blatant hateful and bigoted behavior from Trumpsters. MrsCoffee Sep 2019 #52
+1 Anon-C Sep 2019 #85
Not really MikeIsInProcess Sep 2019 #61
So we have to tolerate fascist enablers?? nini Sep 2019 #75
Not really. That's a false argument. Joe941 Sep 2019 #109
Trumper free zone MariaS Sep 2019 #27
Agree totally. I am a Trumper free zone, as well. No exceptions. nt in2herbs Sep 2019 #31
There is a trick to this situation Joe Nation Sep 2019 #28
Oh I prefer sharedvalues Sep 2019 #37
There not gonna listen to anything anyway. Joe Nation Sep 2019 #92
Fox and lies are the root issue sharedvalues Sep 2019 #99
Spending as little time as possible with in-laws (except MIL) hatrack Sep 2019 #29
Politics is real life. Don't avoid it-- confront them. sharedvalues Sep 2019 #34
Talk about FOX!!. Don't talk about Trump sharedvalues Sep 2019 #32
Same here.... Sancho Sep 2019 #36
I'd like to ask them what a "liberal" is. lindysalsagal Sep 2019 #46
They are mostly the chamber of commerce types Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #53
Here too. AllyCat Sep 2019 #48
That IS worse. Mine are Jeb Bush/Marco Rubio type Repubs. Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #55
Putin wanted to divide America. Martin Eden Sep 2019 #56
It took awhile but ... ananda Sep 2019 #59
What a Works for Me Roy Rolling Sep 2019 #60
You get one life, you can choose if you want to hang around with people who rurallib Sep 2019 #62
I work with a hardcore trumper AlexSFCA Sep 2019 #66
Maybe a useful question. What do you really mean by you love some of them? pangaia Sep 2019 #67
Who needs that crap? nini Sep 2019 #71
Just dropped my rethugian brother. Duppers Sep 2019 #73
Thank God I've no one like that in my life. cwydro Sep 2019 #77
I have a brother I haven't spoken to in 20 years. NNadir Sep 2019 #78
Such a telling statement from Hoess's grandson Boomer Sep 2019 #88
I saw a documentary wherein he traveled to Auschwitz to see it for himself. NNadir Sep 2019 #95
Great articles G_j Sep 2019 #104
gone thru same . AllaN01Bear Sep 2019 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Sep 2019 #82
Lots of interesting opinions and takes on how different NoMoreRepugs Sep 2019 #83
Oldest daughter married a religious crazy, we don't see her or our grandchildren. onecaliberal Sep 2019 #87
I see it rownesheck Sep 2019 #91
I have one hard line, and that's bigotry ismnotwasm Sep 2019 #93
Blood before politics Falcata Sep 2019 #96
It is the elephant in the room. ooky Sep 2019 #97
This message was self-deleted by its author Rainbow Droid Sep 2019 #100
Relatives who are trumpanzees Peace06 Sep 2019 #105
when Reagan won in 1980 gopiscrap Sep 2019 #110
My situation....Being in Arkansas... VarryOn Sep 2019 #112
I have one cousin who I assume is a Trumpanzee DFW Sep 2019 #113
I dumped my parents after I realized how deep they were down the right-wing rabit hole. NCLefty Sep 2019 #118
Brain washed guss Sep 2019 #119
oh, just FYI... OldBaldy1701E Sep 2019 #120

samnsara

(17,613 posts)
1. youre not alone..I have disowned one sis and the other one I dont even like...
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 06:51 AM
Sep 2019

...so there goes our family, since both our parents died during the last year. Once they passed we sisters separated forever...as we had no need to stay in touch.

I consider myself an only child now and Im moving to the other side of the state to Seattle where hubby's family and my only childs family lives. I will leave behind friends but really with social media we are never that far apart but I will be surrounded by supportive and like minded people and in my senior years thats the most important. I'm way past trying to repair broken or toxic relationships. Lifes too short for that.

Good luck....

Funtatlaguy

(10,868 posts)
2. I hate the loss of your sister.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 06:54 AM
Sep 2019

In my case, these are by and large very good relationships.
Except Trump.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
68. Except Trump.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:33 AM
Sep 2019

This means that deep down, there is something important missing in their development as human beings.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,780 posts)
57. Me too, but not over Trump.....
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:06 AM
Sep 2019

My sister in California wants nothing to do with me. It is over a sibling of ours. I am dead to her and she to me. Her 40th Wedding Anniversary is tomorrow and I did not send her a card. Nor will she take any calls from me.


Nor have I heard from my Brother in almost a year. I do not know if he is alive or dead. And even if my sister knows, she will not tell me of it. Yet, I pray for him every day because no one has been able to reach him for his phone has been disconnected all that time as well. Sad.

yardwork

(61,585 posts)
51. What do you mean by Congress?
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:00 AM
Sep 2019

Do you mean the Republicans who control the Senate?

If you mean the House of Representatives, which just regained a slim Democratic majority, they're not sitting idle. They are holding hearings every day. Maybe you didn't know that?

 

brutus smith

(685 posts)
86. Oh, you mean the hearings where they don't answer questions?
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 11:25 AM
Sep 2019

Or the ones where they don't show up, or the ones where they lie.

madaboutharry

(40,199 posts)
4. I would distance myself, but I don't
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 07:05 AM
Sep 2019

believe politics should be permitted to destroy family relationships. Especially when you say that you love these people. It isn’t like we are living in nazi Germany. I could definitely see ending relationships in that situation, but it isn’t like anyone is supporting genocide. They have basically become obnoxious. So I would just do what you do with obnoxious people, ignore them.

Don’t give Trump the power to control your personal life.

Maybe some of your relatives one day will see how wrong they’ve been.

Friends may be different, but sometimes friends are just like family.

It might be easy for me to say because everyone around me hates Trump with the heat of ten thousand Suns. The only Trump supporter I’m related to is my nephew, but he lives in Florida and I never see him. (His parents btw are rather heartbroken about their son’s politics, but what can they do!)

Sending peaceful thoughts.

Funtatlaguy

(10,868 posts)
6. Can we swap families until after November 2020...lol.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 07:12 AM
Sep 2019

By the way, I live in Florida...probably near your nephew as luck would have it. Ha.
There’s a guy down the street that flies a HUGE Trump flag off of his front porch that I have to pass several times of day.
That your nephew? I’m in Tampa Bay Area.

Hugin

(33,100 posts)
79. The majority of the Trump Drag disappeared in my area recently.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:43 AM
Sep 2019

I'm not really sure what precipitated the change in attitude. But, one day, *poof*, all of the lighted yards signs and flags were gone and it's been over a month since I saw a Trumpanzee wearing a MAGAt hat. These deplorable fish swim in different circles from me. So, I don't know what particular signal was issued.

Maybe, it was the USS McCain incident. There are many vets here and they weren't too happy about that episode from Old Yeller. And, I have seen more veteran service ball caps.

Dunno. It is a breath of fresh air, tho.

Cha

(297,026 posts)
106. That would kill me to see that everyday!
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:41 PM
Sep 2019

I'm on Kauai and after the "election" there was a trump banner, hanging between 2 palm trees, on a golf course, that I saw from the bus. But it didn't stay up long..

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
72. "Naza Germany" didn't happen overnight
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:38 AM
Sep 2019

Our situation is exactly analogous to the early rise of Hitler's party: Duly elected officials who nudged the country toward that era's version of right-wing extremism, bit by bit. They didn't promote genocide at the start, and even when the death camps opened, most Germans were careful to avoid "knowing" about them. The truly horrific nature of Nazis wasn't fully revealed until the war was over, which is the excuse so many people gave for continuing to support Hitler in power for all those years. "We didn't know."

And this is dilemma of "good" people -- there is no clear line that a country crosses, where you're suddenly sure that you must break off with "the bad people." Instead of a line there is gradual almost imperceptible shift to gray, then the gray becomes slightly darker, and all the while you're thinking "If it goes any farther, THEN I will break things off" but you begin to lose sight of what true white looks like. And then suddenly we're all standing on ground that is black and we're shocked to realize how far we let things slide.

This is why family relationships with Trump supporters are so fraught. We can see the potential, the might-be of early fascism. Maybe it will never end up as bad as Germany, not OUR country. But it could, and if we want to be the kind of people who would have resisted Hitler's Nazism, when do we take a stand against people we know are on the wrong side of history in the making, the side that is growing darker by the day?

For people who are still struggling with this conflict, I'd recommend that you set 2020 as the dividing line. If this country repudiates not just Trump, but the GOP hold on the Senate, then we can afford to "agree to disagree" to keep peace in the family. But if the GOP persists and/or Trump wins the White House, then we're facing a fight for the soul of the country and we're losing. If that's not a time to start taking a stand against enablers of the new America, then I don't know when it would be.

True Blue American

(17,982 posts)
102. Yes,it is.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 04:06 PM
Sep 2019

Hitler was not handsome, but he could shout, encourage hate until people turned on each other!

Do not say it could not happen her. Trump and his fellow haters are doing a pretty good job of turning people against each other.

I avoid Politics.

PatSeg

(47,351 posts)
74. "It isn't like anyone is supporting genocide"
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:40 AM
Sep 2019

Most German people didn't either. It happened incrementally with things like deporting people and advocating violence against those they disagreed with or condoning the breakdown of institutions and democratic traditions.

My one remaining sibling is a Fox watcher and we've avoided anything political. So far, I've gotten no indication that she supports Trump, hopefully that was a bridge too far for her. She is basically a reasonable person who got brainwashed by Fox during the Bush and Obama years. I think the overt racism of the Trump following would be too offensive for her.

The difference between the Trump era and the Bush years, is Trump supporters are not part of a political party, they are part of a cult and that cult could bring down our country, destroy the planet, and possibly even bring about World War III. As such I can understand why some people cut ties with family and friends because of it. The consequences are bigger than relationships.

Midnight Writer

(21,733 posts)
101. I wish I had a dollar for every time I have heard "We need to round up all the ********,
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 04:01 PM
Sep 2019

put'em against a wall, and shoot'em".

Kaleva

(36,290 posts)
5. "Or, make that, I have ALLOWED him to do so. "
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 07:12 AM
Sep 2019

I think you hit the nail on the head there. This is your issue.

For me, i usually have no problem being on social media or with Trump supporting family as I've decided not to let their opinions control me.

Funtatlaguy

(10,868 posts)
7. I wish I was well adjusted. Think I'm losing it.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 07:15 AM
Sep 2019

Maybe a vacation?
But I’m retired and live in a vacation area?
Drugs, CBD oil?

Kaleva

(36,290 posts)
9. I just accept the fact that we have freedom of speech and people can express their opinions
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 07:23 AM
Sep 2019

I may not agree with them but I've also decided long ago not to let them control me and my emotions. I'm a free man.

You can also be free if you so choose.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
63. But it's not just the difference in political party preference.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:17 AM
Sep 2019

It's also personal. When your relatives talk abut "libtards" and how they're so glad that Trump is "owning the Libs", those are direct, and very hurtful, insults aimed at you.

Yes, there's a lot of family destruction happening in the US and it's not just those seeking asylum. My sister's son is a die-hard Trumper and I'm thankful she is not alive to see it. My late husband insisted that he be written out of our wills. I see him at the occasional family function when he comes over to Ontario and I cannot bear to discuss politics with him because it would just make me too, too angry.

So there you have it -- anger and despair leading to family breakups. That's the trump legacy.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
70. "... we have freedom of speech and people can express their opinions..."
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:37 AM
Sep 2019

That's what they said in the 1930s in Germany.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
108. "I've also decided long ago not to let them control me and my emotions. I'm a free man."
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 10:52 PM
Sep 2019

This I whole heartedly(Spell) agree with.

But, freedom of speech only mean the government can not come down on someone for speech.
It has nothing to do with me being able to refuse service to someone who espouses racist bigotry, or punch somebody in the face, if I so choose. I may get arrested for punching someone, but NOT for violating their 'right to freedom of speech.'

Germany has specific laws about what kind of speech is illegal, and with good reason.




Kaleva

(36,290 posts)
116. Germany doesn't have our consitution
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 04:45 AM
Sep 2019

Your comment:

"But, freedom of speech only mean the government can not come down on someone for speech. "

But we as citizens also support the rights of others.

Otherwise, it'd be okay for average citizens to denounce others whom we may not approve of for practicing their religion, attempting to vote, and so on.

Your comment:

"It has nothing to do with me being able to refuse service to someone who espouses racist bigotry..."

Are you okay with those bakers who refused to making wedding cakes for gay couples? I think there was an instance where a pharmacist refused to dispense morning after pills.

sammythecat

(3,568 posts)
94. "It is no measure of health
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 01:07 PM
Sep 2019

to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -- Indian philosopher Jiddu Krishnamurti

onetexan

(13,032 posts)
44. You can control it to a certain point. I will counter a couple of my family members
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:46 AM
Sep 2019

Who are trump-supporting if i cant stand it. For the most part they know im liberal and stay away from the comments, but once in a while they cant help but make fools of themselves.

yardwork

(61,585 posts)
58. But doesn't it depend partly on what people say and do?
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:07 AM
Sep 2019

I have family who are Trump supporters but I don't have a close relationship with them anyway. We mostly never discuss politics. When it does come up, they never personally attack or insult me.

The OP may be experiencing different interactions than you or I experience from people in our lives. There's a point where communications become abusive. It is healthy to distance oneself from toxic people.

The larger issue is one of ethics. At what point do we as citizens take a stand and begin to shun people? In America we love to point at the Germans of the 1930s and shake our heads. But aren't we watching the same disintegration of democracy here? At what point do we stop going along to get along?

Kaleva

(36,290 posts)
115. OP doesn't want to distance himself from thses people
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 04:26 AM
Sep 2019

Here is what he said:

"The really heart ❤️ crushing part is that these are people that I love and that love me.
How do I keep them in my life and still keep my self respect and semi sanity?"

One really can't compare America today with Germany during the rise of Hitler. Germany was suffering from high unemployment during the Great Depression, hyper-inflation in the early 20's and had just recently lost a major war where millions of its citizens were killed or maimed for life. Germans were also dealing with living under a humiliating peace treaty. The Treaty of Versailles. We probably would never had heard of Hitler had the victorious Allies not been so gung-ho on exacting revenge on a defeated Germany.

Another interesting comment from the OP:

"This is what I hate most about Trump. He has impacted my actual life so negatively.
Or, make that, I have ALLOWED him to do so. "

Other then putting up with snide comments from family now and then, how exactly has Trump affected the OP's life so negatively? OP speaks in broad terms but doesn't provide specifics.



empedocles

(15,751 posts)
10. I was at a wedding earlier this month. Bride and groom met at a teaparty type thing.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 07:24 AM
Sep 2019

One guest _____, he was a cop. Married rich. Wore a conspicuous trump tie.

Many guests were trumpers or leaned that way. Pol'tics went unmentioned, as 'requested' by the groom. Seemed at least relatively amiable.

BigOleDummy

(2,270 posts)
12. Same boat
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 07:27 AM
Sep 2019

I'm in pretty much the same boat as you. My entire immediate family are chump supporters. We've done a fairly good job with politics being a forbidden subject between us. So far anyway, but as you said it has a way of creeping in usually via a snide remark about liberals. I've stopped taking these remarks with a grain of salt and replying in kind. Yes, bad blood has ensued on more than one occasion.
My Mother passed a week ago so we were all together for the first time in a long time for the memorial and even there it popped up much to my dismay. I DID let that little exchange slide due to where we were (church parking lot). But as I'm driving my brothers RV back to Arizona for him we DID end up having a halfway decent conversation about gun control (much to my surprise). Yeah, rabid NRAer spouting off the lies from Rush and Fox "news". After I challenged him to provide proof of his statements he couldn't and the conversation returned to actual facts and while I know I didn't change his mind I DO think I gave him a tiny bit of perspective from "our" side of that issue.

As an aside , during that conversation he reveled in many ways (not least by direct statement) that the opponent he fears the most for our chump in chief is Elizabeth Warren. As she's my preferred candidate I was overjoyed to hear this naturally lol.

As another aside, I'm totally ashamed to admit that walking out of that memorial service I had a thought …" at least that's one less trump voter". I feel terrible for having that thought but there it is. I hate trump and the entire gop for making our political process so radicalized.

Croney

(4,657 posts)
13. People who would have inherited money from me when I die
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 07:40 AM
Sep 2019

are not going to now. I'm still their loving parent/grandparent and we don't talk politics, but there are others just as close to me I can leave my money to, along with donations to my preferred charities and causes.

What're they going to do, yell at me? I won't hear them.

MikeIsInProcess

(23 posts)
49. Next level will
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:53 AM
Sep 2019

Wow. Brilliant.

And to go next-level, if it were me I would leave an explanation in my will that says

1) politics is a reflection of character
2) I would not want to take the risk of my money ending up in the hands of any conservative/GOP organization.

Anyone who knows me would expect this.

Croney

(4,657 posts)
117. Haha. Make that Grannie Croney!
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 05:21 AM
Sep 2019

I combined crone and crony. Old woman + friend. So my user name looks like a misspelled word. I should have thought that through a little more.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. As Madaboutharry and Kaleva say.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 07:55 AM
Sep 2019

How about deliberately committing yourself to protecting your relationships, and the continuity of your family itself, while you wait for this to pass? And it will. Some day. Politically involved conservatives have been encouraged to become very bad versions of themselves, but with better leaders they can be much better. And quickly.

Maybe approach this coolly and intellectually since the old emotional relations are failing. If you understand them much better and also understand how they came to what you cannot respect, loving and being with them should be a lot happier business. And goodness knows there's no shortage of studies on what on earth is going on with them and why.

Here's a quick article I grabbed. I'm among those who believe Jonathan Haidt's book, The Righteous Mind, is flawed in some respects, but he became respectful of and sympathetic to conservatives when studying and knowing them better (before Trump), a good thing, and does a good job of helping people understand conservative reactions, thinking, views on morality. Even all our best versions are strikingly different in some ways, although very similar in most, and we really should understand each other better.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/calling-truce-political-wars/

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
81. Understand is so not the point
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:57 AM
Sep 2019

I "understand" why Germans in the 1930s and 40s supported Hitler, why they were moved emotionally by his rhetoric. I can understand the roots of Conservatism and the societal forces at play that influence large swaths of the country.

But understanding is not synonymous with approval. At some point you have to say "This is WRONG in my eyes" and take a stand. The American Civil war split families apart, it made people take a stand for or against the Union. Understanding why someone chose to support the South wasn't enough to stop (quite literally) the fighting.

I understand why my poor uneducated White nieces in East Texas are Evangelicals, homophobic, and why they support Trump. I even feel sympathy for the much harder life they've led than I did, the generational damage caused by father's neglect -- financial and emotional -- of my half-sister, their mother. But all the understanding in the world doesn't make it any easier to listen to their rants against Obama, their racist attitudes toward my Mexican heritage, their disapproval of my marriage to my partner of 30 years, or their rabid support for a man who is obviously unfit to be POTUS, who isn't even a decent human being.

For me, love can't be divorced from character. I haven't come close to mastering that "unconditional" part, where I can love someone who is not only opposed to my beliefs, but even to who I am. Cutting ties was easy under those circumstances. My sympathies to DUers who have stronger ties that aren't so easily cut.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
84. You miss your own point. You're right. Understanding is not approval.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 10:11 AM
Sep 2019

But, assumption that knowledge we don't have doesn't exist is not understanding.

How perverse that an era of an incredibly incredible explosion of knowledge is also an era of denial of knowledge and denial of expertise.

Go find out just some of what we've discovered about ourselves so far. It's not dangerous: developing understanding is the very antithesis of brainwashing ourselves into "unconditional love." And it's fascinating.

progree

(10,900 posts)
15. About the great 401k's -- the stock market has stalled over the last 20 months
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 07:56 AM
Sep 2019

up just 4.1% since 1/26/2018, nearly 20 months ago, and that journey has been one with harrowing roller coaster ups and downs.

S&P 500 (much more representative of the U.S. stock market and what people own than the Dow 30)

2873   1/26/2018 close
2992   9/20/2019 close
+4.1%

and right now we're in an "up bump" phase in the Trump market cycles with yet another trade truce with China (to be followed yet again with another round of tariff increases, broken off negotiations, rinse and repeat)

The great "Trump" record up to 1/26/2018 (one year and 6 days since Inauguration Day) was of course, a continuation of the Obama boom, and before all the Trump trade war garbage started, and before the TCJA Trump Tax Cuts for the Corporados took effect.

tavernier

(12,374 posts)
103. Agree 100xxx.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 04:17 PM
Sep 2019

I don’t think breaking even two years later constitutes a successful market. I would have been better off investing in marijuana.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
16. If it wasn't the stock market and IRAs, it
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 07:57 AM
Sep 2019

would be something else, like how he's packing the courts with unqualified judges who don't care about the Constitution, but only care about the political issues they've invented, like abortion, or immigrants.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
41. That's why it's important to discuss Fox and rightwing media lies
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:45 AM
Sep 2019

Any issue you talk about, the lying rightwing media can always pivot to something else.
You have to talk about the root cause:

Fox’s lies.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
50. Call them "suckers" and "useful idiots"
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:54 AM
Sep 2019

Laugh in their faces. Say they’re getting f’d and they don’t even know it.

You don’t reason with Republicans, who typically have authoritarian personalities than more-rational Dems. You make them feel small and stupid and that they’re being used.

THAT is the key.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
90. That's kind of the point. Also, it's true.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 12:40 PM
Sep 2019

And when they come back to reality, you can then have a normal human relationship with them, which is impossible now.


Shorter version of what I just said:
“Oh, the poor snowflakes. Can’t handle the truth.”

paleotn

(17,901 posts)
33. Fred Gwynn in Disorganized Crime.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:36 AM
Sep 2019
"The smartest thing I ever did is stop working with stupid people."

Bluethroughu

(5,148 posts)
19. Let it be....
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:06 AM
Sep 2019

I know how you feel, I have one family member that is on the fence about tRump. She wants to side with facts but likes the drama.
Anytime I hear someone boasting something about him, I kindly say, " I have standards, and if what he's said and done doesn't bother you, then I guess babies in cages doesn't either".
Usually, this sparks a, "What do you mean"?
I explain humans at the boarder, stripped of their childern, so they can be put into cages in closed Walmarts, yes this is your country and your leader doing this. The conversation usually ends and everyone is quiet for a few moments. I 'll then break the silence with, "It's bad, really bad".
You can't control them, but you don't have to sit idle and listen to their talking points fed to them from the teevee.

Remember you are part of the majority, we are here for you.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
40. Great advice
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:44 AM
Sep 2019

I also recommend
“You know, Fox is owned by a Republican billionaire who lies to you so you’ll vote for his tax cuts. You know you just put a $2 TRILLION tax cut on a credit card, right? You’re gonna pay that back. Wait, you don’t know that? Oh yeah, you watch Fox and they lie to you.

Only two kinds of Republicans: billionaires, and suckers”

Incredibly effective, over time. When you say that you are guaranteed to get yelled at. But it makes people think and changes their mondz

Funtatlaguy

(10,868 posts)
45. Oh, I've pulled the Rupert Murdoch card. They cite his "liberal" wife.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:48 AM
Sep 2019

Jerry Hall. Formerly married to Mick Jagger

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
47. Call them suckers. Talk about his tax cut and how he's screing hem
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:51 AM
Sep 2019

Focus on how he benefited from the tax cut and that’s why he is lying to them. Talk about the “caravan”.
“That totally disappeared off Fox after the election. Caravans are still going on. That caravan was a LIE designed to get you to vote for billionaires. Sucker. And you don’t even KNOW you’re gonna pay back that $2 trillion tax cut.”

Say “sucker” a lot. And “useful idiot”

Sounds crazy to us, but Republicans like Fox because they actually are persuaded by direct language and name calling. This would never work on a Democrat. But we’re not talking about Democrats.

progree

(10,900 posts)
64. "billionaires, and suckers". Yes, the CONservatives (as in con men) and the CONNEDservatives
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:17 AM
Sep 2019

(the goobers that they con).

turbinetree

(24,688 posts)
20. I just think in my opinion on how I have responded to members in my family on
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:07 AM
Sep 2019

this subject.............. it is a picture:


?itok=m0wLV6yI


And then I told them................ he is traitor................and this pictures does not lie..................

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
21. I've categorized people more during the last three years
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:08 AM
Sep 2019

And while I haven't completely shut out the Trump people, I don't trust their judgement and I question their integrity. I'll have a beer with them or chat with them at gatherings (I'm really good at shifting conversations if I think they are going political) but they will never get into my inner circle.

Fyrefox

(300 posts)
22. Reconciling the irreconcilable
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:09 AM
Sep 2019

I have a nephew and niece who voted for Trump, and I now realize that in a fundamental way they operate on a profoundly different wavelength from what I do. On some level we all have to compartmentalize components of our lives that don't fit in harmoniously with the rest, and that's what I do. They remain family, with qualifications, and we'll get along as circumstances require if they don't rub their abhorrent beliefs in my face...

paleotn

(17,901 posts)
23. I feel your pain...
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:12 AM
Sep 2019

Split our family down the middle. Two siblings and most of their crew are hyper religious, Trump loving, fetus worshipers. My other sibling, their side of the family and mine don't take religion seriously or have chucked it all together in my case. We're all Dems and progressives. The sad, but interesting part for my family is how religious fervor and support for the vilest, most corrupt President* in US history correlates so cleanly and positively.

Our family had been drifting apart for years anyway. That's relatively common when both parents pass and the sibs have extended families of their own, but this was the last straw. It's painful at times, but I simply cannot have contact with people who would actually welcome a Putinesqe dictatorship in the US. They're theocrats and I simply can't deal with that.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
39. Fetus worshippers, child haters
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:41 AM
Sep 2019

voted for cutting children’s healthcare, harming small children. But little balls of cells, THAT they care about

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
25. I've categorized.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:22 AM
Sep 2019

I’ve reinforced my relationships with family and friends whom are like-minded.

Those who’ve been traditionally Republican but are now supporting Democratic Party candidates, and those few remaining Republicans that openly denounce Trump I’m with, and respectful of our differences of opinions on some key issues.

Some who still are Republican but refuse to get onboard and oppose tRumpublicans I remain cordial to friendly with. Most of these have just decided to go apolitical and avoid elections all together.

Those who’ve gone full in on the orange Kool-aid.. been cut out of my life all together. Life is too short to waste on these people. Wouldn’t piss on them if they are on fire. If they ever do come to their senses, I’ll reevaluate on a case by case basis.

Then there’s the ones that I hate the absolute most. The ones that supported Stein in 2016, equated Hillary to Trump, and/o went full on #BernOrBust and refused to vote knowing what we were getting. I despise these even more than the trump humpers. Not only would I not piss on them if they were on fire, I get sadistic pleasure every time Cheeto does something that angers them, or harms them.

Oregon1947

(43 posts)
26. For the people cutting ties with their family etc..you're letting Trump win and
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:24 AM
Sep 2019

abdicating control over your lives and thoughts. What next, we start a civil war and start killing each other..that comes after not speaking etc.

hatrack

(59,583 posts)
30. Nice slippery slope fallacy . . .
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:30 AM
Sep 2019

It's simpler than that.

I don't need people in my life who openly support evil and that's what this comes down to.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
38. Yes! Politics is REAL LIFE.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:40 AM
Sep 2019

Only the privileged can afford to avoid discussing the most important issues of our time.

Please let people know how you feel about the president and the GOP.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
52. Real people are suffering from the rise of blatant hateful and bigoted behavior from Trumpsters.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:02 AM
Sep 2019

They call the cops on brown people going about their lives. They openly march and scream white supremacist chants. They drive cars into crowds of people and shoot up churches. They have already started killing people because of and for Trump.

I will not tolerate those who support him, what he represents and the damage he is doing to the country. Not family, friend or foe.

I will not go gently into that good night.

MikeIsInProcess

(23 posts)
61. Not really
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:12 AM
Sep 2019

Trump wants them, and he already won them. Let him win? He did that, with them.

What he dearly wants is widespread acceptance, and he’s never winning my acceptance of him or his hideous followers, even if they’re my own family. I keep that control. That is the kind of priority I place on his repugnant character or anyone’s support of it.

As for civil war, realistically it took a long time to work up to the last one. It’s not high on my list of current concerns.

MariaS

(553 posts)
27. Trumper free zone
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:25 AM
Sep 2019

For me if you support Trump than you have no place in my life. You're out. You can not be a good person if you condone the behavior and actions of the orange horror that squats in the people's house. I have 7 reasons to feel this way and they are my seven grandkids all under the age of 15. I am fighting for their future in this country and on this planet. I have no hesitation when it comes to shutting out people from my life if I think their beliefs and votes will affect the 7 kids I love so so much.

Joe Nation

(962 posts)
28. There is a trick to this situation
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:27 AM
Sep 2019

All you have to do is pick a topic they will likely bring up. The economy, foreign relations, immigrants in cages, or anything they feel passionate about or like to take jabs at you about. Then you list off like 20 or 30 facts and go into as much detail as possible. I know they won't let any of it sink in but that isn't the point. The point is to bombard them with so much information that their eyes glaze over and then keep talking. You really want to get to the point where you can tell they are annoyed. Ask pointed questions and interrupt them when they try to answer. Make it an all out verbal assault. It won't change their minds but they will be more and more reluctant to bring up politics with you in the future. Remember, walk into the situation with enough preloaded information to keep talking for 10 to 20 minutes. You win when they start getting up and leaving the room and you're still talking. I suggest following them and not letting up. It can be really fun.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
37. Oh I prefer
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:39 AM
Sep 2019

Talking about how and why Fox lies to them.
Talk about Rupert Murdoch’s tax cuts
Talk about the $2 trillion tax cut for billionaires on a credit card.
Say
“There’s only two kinds of Republicans: billionaires, and suckers”

Pointing out how and why Fox lies to them is incredibly effective over time.

Joe Nation

(962 posts)
92. There not gonna listen to anything anyway.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 12:55 PM
Sep 2019

You might as well exhaust them with everything you can throw at them.

hatrack

(59,583 posts)
29. Spending as little time as possible with in-laws (except MIL)
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:29 AM
Sep 2019

I've been biting my tongue for decades. I have never brought up politics once with them in at least 15 years, but when it comes to the topic, they CAN NOT SHUT UP.

They're like flies frozen in the amber of the 1980s, with an occasional splash of updated news from their favorite authoritative source, Some Guy On Facebook.

It's RonaldReaganRonaldReaganRonaldReagan, and evil liberals, and Hitlery and Bill Clinton blowjobs and Solyndra and Obummer and socialism and blahblahblahblahblah.

I've known them for 30 years and in 30 years they've forgotten nothing and learned nothing.

Finally, after walking out on Christmas 2 years ago, because BIL and SIL couldn't even stop one day out of the year, they seem to have finally noticed the courtesy I'd been extending them for over a decade, and they haven't gone there since - yet.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
34. Politics is real life. Don't avoid it-- confront them.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:37 AM
Sep 2019

Don’t let them off the hook. The only way we’re going to fix the nation is to confront our problems, not hide form them.

Use my script below about Fox.. talk about Fox as much as possible and how rightwing media lies to them.

Call them suckers and idiots to their faces (sounds bad for Dems like us but they love that kind of language; that’s why Fox and Limbaugh use it.)

Call them traitors and fools. Mostly fools.

“Only two kinds of Republicans: billionaires, and suckers”

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
32. Talk about FOX!!. Don't talk about Trump
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:35 AM
Sep 2019

One possible script

“You watch Fox, right? Do you know who owns Fox?
It’s a rightwing billionaire, Rupert Murdoch. Fox lies to you about Trump and immigrants and Hillary — yes LIES to you — so you’ll vote for tax cuts for billionaires.

Murdoch has gotten billions in tax cuts. And you just put a $2 TRILLION tax cut on a credit card. Fox won’t tell you that.

The billionaires that run the GOP sit around and laugh at you. They call you a “useful idiot” while they laugh about how they’re screwing you.

You’re a sucker. A fool. Anyone who watches Fox is getting screwed.

Don’t be an idiot. Don’t listen to Fox

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
36. Same here....
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:38 AM
Sep 2019

I have a sister/brother-in-law that I no longer visit or talk to anymore. I don't know if it will ever be the same.

Funtatlaguy

(10,868 posts)
53. They are mostly the chamber of commerce types
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:03 AM
Sep 2019

Like Mitt Romney.
They see liberals as “takers” and conservatives as “makers”.

AllyCat

(16,173 posts)
48. Here too.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:52 AM
Sep 2019

I’m so appalled at the lies they support and mental gymnastics they will display to continue to support this horror. And they supported Obama! Now this.

ananda

(28,854 posts)
59. It took awhile but ...
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:09 AM
Sep 2019

... none of my bridge partners are hard core Trumpers
or Reeps.

Occasionally I play teams with a couple of "conservatives"
but I studiously avoid talking politics or religion. I only
talk to "safe" people at the club or tournaments.

As for family, I haven't talked to the Reep side in years.
I just can't take the racism and white entitlement.

Roy Rolling

(6,911 posts)
60. What a Works for Me
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:11 AM
Sep 2019

The opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference.

Ignore someone. Don’t hate them, just ignore them. Don’t give them the power or satisfaction of your intelligent response.

Don’t stop working for good, don’t ignore radical or illegal behaviors. Just stop giving Trump supporters the satisfaction of an angry response.

Let them simmer on their own because they aren’t even worth a response from you.

rurallib

(62,401 posts)
62. You get one life, you can choose if you want to hang around with people who
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:14 AM
Sep 2019

piss you off or not. If those people are family it makes it tougher, but it is your life and mental health we are talking about.

They won't quit with their skewed world views, so agreeing to not talk politics won't work.

I chose many years ago not to spend my life with people who make me miserable. When I do have to, I make it short. If someone brings up politics, I let it be known right at the beginning that I am a proud liberal.

So far things are working well.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
66. I work with a hardcore trumper
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:29 AM
Sep 2019

unfortunately I work with him rather closely but, thankfully, we don’t discuss politics at work unless during breaks. We had a project together and it was successful. He now holds me in rather high regard despite politcial differences.
I think that we should not burn bridges and destroy relationships, especially with family. Yes, if all they talk is trump nom stop then may be. But otherwise why not live a life of integrity and show them democratic values. They can’t hate you so they can’t say I hate dems. It’s not a bad thing to have dems in trumpers lives. I think of them as drug addicts who need help. They are addicted to fox, talk radio, etc. and it is destroying our country.

nini

(16,672 posts)
71. Who needs that crap?
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:37 AM
Sep 2019

Walk away from the fascist enablers. We are seeing how Hitler came to power and it's because of the type you just described. You simply cannot keep the peace with people who are destroying democracy.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
73. Just dropped my rethugian brother.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:39 AM
Sep 2019

For a million reasons, all of which can be condensed into one statement: he lacks *ANY ability to objective.*
About anything. Period.

Not at all surprisingly, this lack creep into his personal judgment of me. I hit the enough mark.


*As do all rethugians, imo.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
77. Thank God I've no one like that in my life.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:42 AM
Sep 2019

I can’t even imagine hearing someone using a phrase like “owning the libs.” Who talks like that as an adult?

My only suggestion would be simply never to talk politics, but you seem to say that’s not working.

NNadir

(33,509 posts)
78. I have a brother I haven't spoken to in 20 years.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:43 AM
Sep 2019

It's not about politics purely, but about who he is.

If you are a Trump apologist that says something about who you are.

There is, inevitably, some pain connected with love, but many people have to choose between the love of their family and their love of humanity. It's not easy.

A great deal has been written about and by members of the families of people who engineered the Holocaust. Some came down on the side of humanity, and some chose their family over decency.

They say that Reinhardt Heydrich was a wonderful violinist, and that he was "good" to his children and wife. His wife apparently loved him dearly.

They are putting small children in cages. You need to ask yourself if you want to be this woman:

Heydrich Widow

Or this man:

Hoess's grandson

It is terrible that it has become this stark in America, but this is where we are.

I feel for you; I feel your pain, I really do, but a moral choice is never easy.

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
88. Such a telling statement from Hoess's grandson
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 11:37 AM
Sep 2019
He believes that if his grandfather was alive today, he would definitely join those political bodies.

"Their ideology is the same and they never switched rules. They use horrible phrases to influence young people and say that minorities steal jobs and space. Just like the Nazis did with Jews."

He added that the only difference now is that the far Right parties have learned from the Nazis' mistakes.


Make no mistake, we're facing the same divide now that Germans did back then.

NNadir

(33,509 posts)
95. I saw a documentary wherein he traveled to Auschwitz to see it for himself.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 01:51 PM
Sep 2019

He bears a heavy burden, but I admire him for facing the consequences of his family history.

He gave up on his family, not an easy thing, but a reflection of a great spirit.

In the documentary he lectured Jewish students visiting Auschwitz. It was a moving moment, very moving.

G_j

(40,366 posts)
104. Great articles
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 04:20 PM
Sep 2019

Last edited Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:05 PM - Edit history (1)

The story of Hoess’s grandson is very poignant, and his references to the RW of today are worth noting!

AllaN01Bear

(18,101 posts)
80. gone thru same .
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 09:44 AM
Sep 2019

a number of thanksgivings ago, with extended fam, one guest kept saying at least i get to keep my own insurance plan. the host yelled out "no political bullshit". if i get striked i am going to file a formal complaint. then one christmas at my sis , " if u think i voted for trump, its none of your business. " next time i am going to say , not political bullshit or i am leaving. shame you had to cut off your fam. interesting what my late mom would have felt. a dem all her life and a union teacher besides . i live in a very red district in ca and at least i can find some kindrid spirits her

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NoMoreRepugs

(9,400 posts)
83. Lots of interesting opinions and takes on how different
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 10:05 AM
Sep 2019

situations are handled. Once my wife and I eliminated contact with Trumper relatives and friends two plus years ago we have since learned from others who bridge the divide how those Trumpers really feel about us. They merely tolerated us liberals and quite honestly are quite happy they can now despise us.

Life is short, stress is a killer - choose the light is what I suggest.

onecaliberal

(32,811 posts)
87. Oldest daughter married a religious crazy, we don't see her or our grandchildren.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 11:34 AM
Sep 2019

Inlaws are dumpers. We only see them at Christmas. I can’t tolerate any of them. I had to take a break from the news altogether. The latest scandal is really getting to me. Now they’re trying to Hillary, Biden.

rownesheck

(2,343 posts)
91. I see it
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 12:50 PM
Sep 2019

as the trash have revealed themselves. Since I'm not a hoarder, I throw out the trash. No need for them. Weight is lifted off my shoulders.

ismnotwasm

(41,971 posts)
93. I have one hard line, and that's bigotry
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 01:06 PM
Sep 2019

Supporting Trump makes one a bigot. I don’t care to argue this, I take age and mental state into consideration as far as my responses to people, but I’ll call it out.

What happened with my Brother and sister in law and my husband and I, is we drew that line quite some time ago. Now, I’ll get a mild political comment, a little back and forth, but they know better than to say unacceptable shit around us. They know better than to start a political conversation, because we are poles apart. I don’t even know if they voted for Trump.

We tentatively began visiting again once or twice a year about three years ago. Family means everything to them. My sister in law makes sure I know she volunteers at the food bank. They’re bikers, they do toy runs for sick kids on Christmas. They are not “bad” people. They ARE bigots.

We all have raucous senses of humor, inappropriate as hell, so we get along. We are not Facebook friends.

I guess I picked my one battle, and it cleaned up one hell of a lot of bullshit. They know exactly how I feel. How my husband feels.

We put the ball in their court so to speak. They choose family over bigotry in this part of their lives.
If they hadn’t, we would not be having any relationship at all, and that caused my husband a lot of pain.

Falcata

(156 posts)
96. Blood before politics
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 01:57 PM
Sep 2019

quite a few of my relatives are Trump fans. We never talk politics or religion. My family will still be here long after Trump is an ugly stain in some history book.

ooky

(8,920 posts)
97. It is the elephant in the room.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 02:07 PM
Sep 2019

It got to the point with me that the subject of Trump didn't even have to come up anymore. I have found it impossible to have regular interactions with someone that I know in the back of my mind is supporting this vile individual, knowing what he is doing, because of any selfish reason. Its not in me to ignore that in anyone. So I too have ended important relationships over either active or passive support for this asshole. It just has to be done, it is not tolerable.

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Peace06

(248 posts)
105. Relatives who are trumpanzees
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:23 PM
Sep 2019

Both my sister and brother were trumpanzees. We just never discussed politics after the first huge fight. Finally, my sister came to her senses and now she despises him. My brother hasn't admitted it yet, but easy to tell he is disillusioned. So, maybe there is hope. It is so heartbreaking to think that your siblings could be for something so anti-American. So anti-Christian, so full of hate.
Maybe yours will change too.

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
112. My situation....Being in Arkansas...
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 01:14 AM
Sep 2019

If I cut off family or friends who voted for Trump, I'd lose lots. Many of them, I frankly need mentally and relationally. Apart from their politics, they are people who I love, and more importantly, like.

A big part of it is I'm a fairly easy-going person with whom it takes a lot to trigger. I think it partly comes from a dad who would relentlessy tease me when I was younger or try to rile me up sometimes on different topics (e.g. politics, my music favorites, girlfriends, etc).

I've made a choice that individual relationships for the most part are more important than politics. I have just never written someone off for one specific reason. Anyone I've written off, it was always for muliple reasons.

Most of people in my life know I'm a liberal Democrat. Some of them tease me from time-to-time, and with a few, we have good debates. No one I can think of have ever been mean or disrepectful. On Election night, 2016, I received a few calls and texts from people feigning concern with strained glee. But nothing I considered mean-spirited. Stll, very touch nonethess.

If I lived where all my family and friends were like me, I could see maybe where it was easy to hate Republicans (and I a lot of them I still do now!).

All that said, I'd have no problem removing someone from my life who was obnoxious, mean and insufferable in being a Republican, conservative or Trumper.

DFW

(54,325 posts)
113. I have one cousin who I assume is a Trumpanzee
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 02:17 AM
Sep 2019

I haven't seen or talked to him since our grandfather's 100th birthday party in 1994. But I heard that he was a big Cheneybush supporter, so one has to assume.

Other than that, we have no such people in our family. No surprise. My mom's parents were lower middle class people who barely survived the Great Depression by doing any odd jobs they could possibly find. My dad's father was the son of a South Carolina tailor, and he married a New York labor activist who got tossed out of Fiorello LaGuardia's administration in New York City for being "too friendly to labor." Not exactly conducive to becoming a right wing Republican.

As for how some people become what they are--after all, babies are not born wearing MAGA hats--a friend of my wife's parents told me exactly how. He was ten years old when World War II ended. He was, as all ten year old boys by that time, a member of the Hitler Youth. He said they were so brainwashed and indoctrinated, it was the only reality they knew--were allowed to know. Luckily, he was young enough for it not to leave a lasting effect, and he was grateful that he was "saved," and he was not referring to Jesus. Some guys older than he retained part of their ideology. My wife's grandfather risked the death penalty during the war by listening to British radio, and his Nazi neighbor knew it. But the neighbor didn't denounce him because they had been good friends before the war. After the war, he pleaded with my wife's grandfather not to say anything to the occupation forces (British sector) about his Nazi activity, reminding that he saved him from certain death for not denouncing him for listening to "enemy" radio. My grandfather agreed, and returned the favor.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
118. I dumped my parents after I realized how deep they were down the right-wing rabit hole.
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 05:28 AM
Sep 2019

Though we had a lot of family issues and instability prior to this (they kept divorcing and re-marrying, etc.). Basically, we had nothing family-wise to fall back on when their politics finally became too much for me.

Blessing or curse, one thing I learned as a gay man in America was that you had to cling to the family you chose, not necessarily the one you were given by genetics.

guss

(239 posts)
119. Brain washed
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 05:51 AM
Sep 2019

Most my friends and Family are Republicans and are totally Believe that politics is a game show and party is more important than the country.
I tried to figure them out
I think I will call Toxic or Poison Republicans.
They are Brain washed by Rush and fox.
They Care more about destroying their Kids future and the USA more then one negative Reply about Republican and NRA getting sick of
them controlling messaging .
They are toxic to the country and poison for the future of this Country.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,112 posts)
120. oh, just FYI...
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 06:56 AM
Sep 2019

The answer to number four (as pertains to anyone who is in on this matter, i.e.: anyone profiting off of the current administration), of course, the answer is yes. Of course, this question should have been hammered into the collective consciousness a long time ago, but we were too busy being brainwashed by the oligarchy to think this behavior was 'the American Dream (r)' . Look, anyone who is 'rolling in it' will not bother to notice what the impact of their unbridled greed will have on anyone and anything. We need to stop appealing to those who sold their souls for a piece of paper because they are not going to care. (Unfortunately, that is the common practice these days...)

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