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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt has hit the fan, and is spewing all over.
...Sure some people think that Trump will get away with it. He has in the past, but this one, in my opinion, is the worst. He may think he can get away with it, but he won't. When the great majority of people realize that the President contacted an adversary to get dirt on an opponent, the show will be over. Now this will take time. People will need talk to each other over and over. And listen to comments from unbiased experts.
...Trump, while President contacted an advisory, Russia, and asked to get dirt on a political opponent, Joe Biden....Trump's arrogance thinks he can get away with it. But, this will spew for a while, and when the great majority realize the essence of what Trump did, it will be over. One way or another.
Six Ways:
1..Loss of election,
2. Resignation,
3. Refusal to run again and settle down to his career at Fox News.
4. Isolation (like Nixon) but I think that is very unlikely
5. Combination of above.
6. Most unlikely: Charged with a crime, then resign.
tblue37
(65,227 posts)might eventually learn that Russia was somehow involved as well, but thus far we have no actual information that indicates Russian involvement.
ms liberty
(8,558 posts)And yes, that is what I am hoping for.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Hes still there.
Not holding my breath.
Stuart G
(38,414 posts)Let's think about it:
...Trump contacts the major opponent of the U.S.A., Russia, to get dirt on someone who he thinks will be his major political opponent. Joe Biden. And, evidently there is proof this was done.
Maybe Trump will get away with this too. My statements are obvious opinions.. It ain't up to me. And it will take time for this to be totally understood by most. We will see. But this will take time, one way or another.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to win the election? I was sure in 2016 when it came out that Trump was surrounded with Russians and others with connections to Putin and Russian intelligence, that they'd even changed the Republican platform. I really thought that killed his candidacy dead.
Didn't. Will they react so differently now than to the same thing then? He may be a man, but he's still a Democrat, and conservative voters have their rationales long embedded.
Sorry, because I want you to be right, at least for a significant little percentage. That bundle of straw on their backs should be getting pretty heavy for some.
But, of course, initial voter response is one thing and legal consequences whole different thing...!
Ohiogal
(31,909 posts)They like his policies and are getting what they want .... they dont give a crap about all his lawlessness. In fact they are probably snickering at the libs for getting all worked up over the Ukraine thing right now.
Demovictory9
(32,421 posts)rockfordfile
(8,695 posts)They would be more than happy to flip votes illegally. They have already been caught doing it.
Kid Berwyn
(14,795 posts)His manufactured Hunter Biden angle is bad, but sideshow.
Trumps actions benefit Putin.
Stuart G
(38,414 posts)Maybe that info will get one of the 6 done. But it will take time to get across to most people. This is still current news to everyone.
Kid Berwyn
(14,795 posts)A small minority favored independence. Many liked things as they were. Many, if not most, had no opinion.
We need the Ben Franklins, Thomas Paines, Samuel Adams of our day to shout. Corporate McPravda wont repeat what they say, but We the People can tell the truth.
CanonRay
(14,084 posts)without that shield, he'd be indicted and convicted. In office, he can use the levers of power (like AG Barr) to keep investigations at bay. I don't believe he will ever willingly leave office.
Brawndo
(535 posts)QED
(2,747 posts)Hopefully it will happen live on TV while giving one of his masturbatory vomit talks. I would replay it over and over again. And then over and over again on each anniversary of his demise as I celebrate.
God I hate him.
lame54
(35,262 posts)Kablooie
(18,610 posts)Republicans will support only Trump and Biden now has to explain and defend himself and his son even if he didnt do anything.
Trump's scandal will be soon overshadowed by another and this will be forgotten while the cloud over Biden will remain.
This is exactly what Trump wants and it will probably help his chances of winning 4 more years.
lame54
(35,262 posts)I was with you till the end
Biden losing the nomination equals a Trump reelection?
Not if Elizabeth has anything to say about it
Kablooie
(18,610 posts)Dems who are dedicated enough to vote in the primaries are probably aware of Trump's games.
Of course Biden may not win anyway, but if he does, this would be used by Trump to damage him during the presidential campaign and it will have have a negative effect on Biden with general voters who don't keep up with all the scandal mongering.
Also it won't hurt Trump at all because his misbehavior will be lost among all the other scandals.
It's so frustrating that any slight deviation from the norm can seriously damage a Democrat while Trump completely destroys all norms and is openly criminal and it doesn't affect his popularity at all.
lame54
(35,262 posts)But now that it is out they're pushing ahead
rockfordfile
(8,695 posts)This strengthens Biden. Trump is scared
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)There is absolutely no one with any power willing to stop him.
trof
(54,256 posts)bluestarone
(16,859 posts)A whole platoon of our soldiers would get bombed!