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Jesus. I thought offering the transcript was a trap. But it's there in black and white. (Original Post) Recursion Sep 2019 OP
That's exactly what Malcolm Nance said MontanaMama Sep 2019 #1
I think Trump doesn't see anything "illegal" here leftstreet Sep 2019 #2
I think you're correct. lapislzi Sep 2019 #4
Imagine what the actual phone call was like. This is just notes, and you KNOW every person RockRaven Sep 2019 #3
No, it's a Red Herring. It substitutes William Barr for Mike Pence's involvement ffr Sep 2019 #5
Makes you wonder what's in the repug braintrust but mush if they thought that... brush Sep 2019 #6
Me, cilla4progress Sep 2019 #7
Still is most likely a trap. lark Sep 2019 #8
Doubt it... regnaD kciN Sep 2019 #10
Barr is in on this too and he certainly does care a great deal about rw fascist control of our govt. lark Sep 2019 #14
You all give the orangutan too much credit. He's really that stupid. lindysalsagal Sep 2019 #9
Recommended. H2O Man Sep 2019 #11
Keep watching. defacto7 Sep 2019 #12
Not a transcript awesomerwb1 Sep 2019 #13
Right - Too short to cover the actual time span of the call eleny Sep 2019 #15

leftstreet

(36,103 posts)
2. I think Trump doesn't see anything "illegal" here
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 11:56 AM
Sep 2019

Someone else here said he might have been advised that withholding a report would be illegal, but in Trump's mind I think the Mueller investigation cleared him of wrongdoing when pressuring foreign gvts

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
4. I think you're correct.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:00 PM
Sep 2019

It goes directly to what we all know about him: everything is transactional. Why on earth would he give Ukraine money without getting something in return? He doesn't understand any other way to operate. This is why he is such a dangerous agent of chaos on the world stage. Cooperation and helping an ally are not concepts he can comprehend.

RockRaven

(14,958 posts)
3. Imagine what the actual phone call was like. This is just notes, and you KNOW every person
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 11:56 AM
Sep 2019

in that room understands where Trump stands in regards to a mobster-style secrecy/loyalty fetish. They all know he gets mad when things are documented which make him look bad. How many things did the note-takers purposely "not quite hear" something? How many times during the phone call did they shrug to themselves and say "whoopsie, didn't catch that last bit"?

ffr

(22,668 posts)
5. No, it's a Red Herring. It substitutes William Barr for Mike Pence's involvement
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:01 PM
Sep 2019

Ask yourself when was Barr ever mentioned in interactions with UKR up until this "official transcript?" Never.

Where in this transcript are references to Mike Pence's KNOWN interactions with UKR mentioned. Not once.

FISHY?

brush

(53,764 posts)
6. Makes you wonder what's in the repug braintrust but mush if they thought that...
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:05 PM
Sep 2019

cherry-picked non-transcript was not damaging and did not contain impeachable info. These people are not smart and they're running the country.

trump, Barr is involved too, and the fool Ghouliani, what happened their brains?

They just offered impeachable into on a plate and think that they didn't.

Now they're again withholding the actual whistleblower report again, breaking their promise of yesterday to release it also, so you know what's in there is really damaging if they thought today's release wasn't.

lark

(23,084 posts)
8. Still is most likely a trap.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:08 PM
Sep 2019

1 - Think it's a lie he said to contact Barr when Pence was known to already be involved - just trying to keep repugs in power after the impeachment
2 - If this is what they are admitting, the truth is far, far worse
3 - Bet he included actions by PUtin in his threats and that's what he's terrified of coming to light or it could be something else equally heinous

Don't buy it, Dems, demand whistleblower appear to Congress in open session so the truth can't be hidden.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
10. Doubt it...
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:25 PM
Sep 2019

I don’t see 45 having any concern for what happens to Pence or any other Republican if/when he goes.

lark

(23,084 posts)
14. Barr is in on this too and he certainly does care a great deal about rw fascist control of our govt.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 01:02 PM
Sep 2019

I guarantee you the transcript is the tip of the iceberg and much is still being hidden. If I knew you, I'd see if you wanted to bet on this, lol.

lindysalsagal

(20,648 posts)
9. You all give the orangutan too much credit. He's really that stupid.
Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:11 PM
Sep 2019

He wasn't smart enough to keep out of the race, he wasn't smart enough to lose. Gangsters don't change. Ever. Stupid,stupid,stupid.

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