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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo if there are all these hidden phone calls to foreign leaders including Putin. What was Mueller
doing???? Wouldn't phone calls between Trump and Putin be the first freaking thing you would investigate?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/27/politics/white-house-restricted-trump-calls-putin-saudi/index.html
ProudMNDemocrat
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leftieNanner
(15,082 posts)Mueller may not have known that they existed. And you can be sure that nobody in the West Wing would volunteer that information. It only came out because a CIA person who was detailed to the White House figured out what had happened and reported it.
You would think that Mueller would have asked if there were any such transcripts, but if he didn't ask the right people, they might not have known about them.
Quixote1818
(28,928 posts)locations?
leftieNanner
(15,082 posts)The WB found out about it with regards to the Ukraine call. It will certainly be very interesting to see where this all leads.
Quixote1818
(28,928 posts)He knew it was totally fucking horrible for him but he must be more worried about other calls being found on that server!!!!
Thoughts?
leftieNanner
(15,082 posts)He doesn't think there's anything wrong with what he said to the Ukranian President. That's the way he has always talked when he wants something out of someone. His advisors (such as they are) suggested that it was a bad idea to release the transcript. Even Pence tried to talk him out of it. I think you may be giving him too much credit. I guess we'll find out at some point. Geez, I'm just exhausted. Invigorated by the impeachment inquiry, but worn out by this guy's BS.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)It is totally possible that Mueller did not know about it. Also remember that Mueller's charter on what he could investigate was fairly limited.
lapfog_1
(29,199 posts)your name has to be on a list.
And there is every reason to believe that hiding this from Mueller and his team would have been the PRIME REASON for such classification
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Quixote1818
(28,928 posts)Amazing how scumbag Sessions at least had some honor. Who would have thought it?
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)More than likely, though, Mueller simply didn't know about the server.
jrthin
(4,835 posts)lawyering 101, follow the money.
unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)I hope this gets looked at someday. Part of the problem with dividing our country into two philosophical camps, is that everything seems suspicious.
Me.
(35,454 posts)and being blocked every which way. If it wasn't for a whistleblower, we wouldn't have this. Protecting that Jackal in the WH is an enormous effort that has involved hun dreds of lower level criminals.
marble falls
(57,077 posts)Quixote1818
(28,928 posts)Try to find leeds to see if there are hidden call transcripts. Interview the translators etc.
marble falls
(57,077 posts)Flynn or Manafort had said, "not only that but secret servers" Mueller would have been all over that. Remember: his mandate was with Trumps Justice Department. They were not going to let him in on too much. I'm convinced that whether he thought there was a secret server or not, he had no smoking gun or a witness that said word one about it.
Mueller's report will figure in the impeachment proceedings, he'll be testifying again. The guy is in his eighties, he's not Crockett and Tubbs.
Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)marble falls
(57,077 posts)The Justice Department was first made aware of Trumps call when a CIA lawyer mentioned the complaint from the unidentified CIA officer on Aug. 14, said a person familiar with the matter who wasnt authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke anonymously. Some Justice Department lawyers learned about the accusations after the whistleblower filed a complaint with the intelligence communitys internal watchdog.
Again he didn't know about it. Why would he be expected to about something even oy Intellegence Agencies didn't now or share.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)No real surprise there.
doc03
(35,325 posts)what about all those WH officials that he said told him what happened?
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)just saying.
JI7
(89,247 posts)yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)have been friends for three decades, and their families have long socialized together.
Barr and Mueller first crossed paths at the Justice Department during the George H.W. Bush administration. But the relationship goes further: Their wives are close friends who attend Bible study together, and Mueller attended the weddings of two of Barrs daughters.
JI7
(89,247 posts)to be more than it was.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)and they said it was very possible Mueller was never told about the secret server.
underpants
(182,772 posts)That seems like a stretch.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)they might not have had reason to suspect Trump was trying to hide anything in it; they were investigating what happened before the election re: Russian involvement and after that why Comey was fired.
underpants
(182,772 posts)It's pretty clear that the reason they used the other file was because Trump is such a rambling incoherent moron they were trying to save him from embarrassment
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)Raven123
(4,828 posts)None of those calls were made before the election. I think it would have been a stretch.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Just what occurred during the election. And the fall out of it.
He had no mandate to investigate everything. And no authority.