I was overwhelmed w/sadness about 1/2 an hour ago (for a few minutes)

[Botany]

i just saw a clip of Hillary speaking on Joy's show and she was so articulate, smart,
and nuanced that I almost broke down over what should have been. America was
robbed.

[Aristus]

1. Yes.

No better proof exists that right-wingers hate America than their unquenchable desire to rob us of good leadership.

[Botany]

3. and the likes of Fox News and Rush has sold to a % of Americans that HRC isn't a nice person ...

... and that somehow she is a criminal. Did you know that Hillary had somebody killed to
hid Bill cocaine ring? That is out there.

[Aristus]

5. In order to shrug off Trump's outlandish real behavior,

they have to fervently believe even more outlandish lies about the Clintons.

[Botany]

6. That story goes back to the 1990s when Bill was POTUS

"They" really work the Joseph Goebbels big lie method. Tell a lie big enough
and long enough and some people believe it is true. Look @ Trump pushing
his "the Bidens are corrupt" meme now.

[Collimator]

10. My brother believes that.

On election day he was talking to some extended family members around the kitchen table. While they were all citing their reasons for voting for Trump, he added that Hillary was so corrupt that she--and here he lowered his voice--even had someone killed.

I guess he lowered his voice because he thought that she could hear him? Or, maybe because I was living there at the time, he feared that I was one of her spies.

Living in a Trump household was one of the most stressful experiences in my life. Even after he "won", it felt like there was so much anger in the air all the time.

[barbtries]

27. i'm sure there was.

foxbots are on permanent rage. what binds them is their hatred and who they can hurt, not who they can help. my foxbot brother is an unapologetic racist. my foxbot sister's bogeyman is migrants. neither of them will listen to reason. so we don't talk much. my sister's going through a really bad time in her life so we talk, but not politics. i'm on the other side of the country but she's very vulnerable right now; i cannot even contemplate abandoning her.

[Collimator]

32. I feel for you.

There is a particular heartache in loving people who are troubled and mis-directed in their emotions.

It would be so much simpler if all racists were terrible people in everyway with no redeemable qualities whatsoever. Sometimes, however, they are wonderful people in many ways. And those who love them are left to wonder why they can't see past their narrow ideas regarding other people.

[Perseus]

31. Can't blame Fox only, the entire media became part of the trump circus

Wasn't the president of CBS the one who said that the circus was great for making money and to bring it on?

The entire media is guilty as well, and they continue with the show, anything the creature does they celebrate it in some way or another. The fact that some of them show rage doesn't matter, they need to learn to ignore some of the stupidities of the creature, I know 99% of it is stupidity, but at least be selective because all he wants is to dominate the news, ignore the SOB.

I didn't see any of the networks defending Hillary, they all chimed in in the same circus. Granted that some of them did not report it as truth, but they didn't defend it either. The saddest thing is that the circus continues, every day we have the same show with slightly different script.

[CaptainTruth]

14. +1

[hlthe2b]

2. yup... just had that catch in the throat as well.

I'm constantly exhausted and this past three years has probably taken 10 off my life.

[Botany]

4. Sometimes it is like a grey heavy fog has covered the country.

HRC and the country had her Presidency stolen from all of us.

[calimary]

40. Dear God she would have been great.

Smart, highly experienced, compassionate, dignified, and classy.

[Bettie]

7. We're still being robbed

every day.

[BadgerMom]

8. It was a rape.

The meaning of the word is “theft.” The 2016 election was a theft with violent repercussions. It’s left behind real damage and true rage.

[pandr32]

22. Interesting analogy

The Trump administration and the Republicans are like pirates--rape, ravage, and pillage is their mo.

I will never forget Trump stalking Hillary on stage, in front of the entire country, and no-one stopped him. I was aghast. She had become a victim of a serial sex offender and predator right in front of our eyes.

[BadgerMom]

23. Yep.

[calimary]

41. I burned with anger as I watched that.

He ALWAYS has to try and distract. And fuck with your mind. Strolling around behind her, slowly looming and decidedly menacing.

My hatred for him is like the burning fire of a thousand suns. I will NEVER forget. And of those who voted for him - it won’t be easy to forgive either. And I keep reminding myself that Jesus forgave His killers even while hanging on the Cross, so who the heck am I to do less? But it’s damn hard!!!

[pandr32]

50. He is seriously misogynististic and abusive

It was awful to watch and live on TV. I will never forget it either.

[NNadir]

9. The misogynists prevailed. Let's not forget the misogynist Matt Lauer, supposedly neutral helped.

Every single woman hater in the United States, from Lauer on down, worked to install a misogynist in office, one with small hands and a small and withered mind.

It was a tremendous lost opportunity for America, and in the sense that the Russians installed an open traitor and spy in the office of the Presidency, a known ignoramus, it was a successful military attack on the US.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

36. don't forget Charlie Rose, either

[ismnotwasm]

11. The Supreme Court is going to hear a landmark Gay rights case on October 8th

I am full of rage every time the Supreme court hears anything these days.

[shockey80]

12. According to Trump voters, Hillary is the biggest criminal in history.

Yet, she has never been charged with a crime. Man she is good. Trump voters are fucking idiots.

[rickyhall]

13. America was raped, more like.

[librechik]

15. been there too. Many times.

[samnsara]

16. ..and trumps trying to do it again!

[Grammy23]

17. While briefly feeling sadness,

My next thought was....she has gone on with her life. She has collaborated with her daughter to produce another book. She is not spending her days and nights thinking about what might have been. This should be an inspiring message to us. Even when life beats you up, slaps you around, you can choose to hold your head high and carry on. I admire her more than ever for not letting what happened to her derail her life. She has endured over and over and so her life is testimony to what having a drive to live out loud can do. The will to move forward and succeed even when dealt a really difficult hand triumphs again. Her place in American history is secured and in a way the tRump will never have. Who gets the last laugh now?

[Botany]

18. +1

thanx

[Grammy23]

19. You are very welcome!

I really meant every word I wrote. She can hold her head high and lots of us admire her even more. She wins in spite of tRump’s efforts to ruin her life.

[Botany]

20. I am around lots of white men who just hate her for no real reason

I have know some people who met her or are good friends w/people who really
know HRC and to a person they all say she is kind, funny, warm, and smart.

[Collimator]

33. Excellent, well thought out point.

I think about Jimmy Carter and all that he has continued to achieve on a world-wide scale. To many people, his defeat was seen as a humilation. Mr. Carter, however, did not curl into a ball and lick his wounds. He directed his energy towards helping others. He showed enormous character.

HRC is also made from strong, wise stuff. She continues to serve in the capacity presented to her.

Whatshis face, however, is weak, lacks character altogether and has no concept of what it means to serve others.

History will mark these essential facts.

[Grammy23]

34. Yes indeed, Mr. Carter has done exceptionally well

since leaving DC. I am still proud of the vote I cast for him. He has proven that he is a fine man of integrity. His place in history is assured and we can all use his example of how one deals with a so-called defeat. Hillary Clinton must have used his playbook because she is forging a similar path. Hold your head high and aim for the stars!

[calimary]

42. NICE. Really Nice, Grammy23.

Something good, positive, AND true to focus on. Hillary Clinton is one helluva magnificent role model. I keep thinking about something she once said - about when you get knocked down, the most important thing to do is get back up.

[Kahuna7]

26. Many because they were somehow convinced that Hillary is a racist!!!!

How dumb and ignorant does one have to be to believe that Hillary of all people is a racist? Same thing will happen to Biden if he makes it. And we will only have our so-called own to thank for that.

[barbtries]

24. we were robbed and she was robbed.

i think i'm more bitter over it than she is. what a woman, what a hugely unappreciated, unjustifiably vilified, woman. a lifetime of public service. we may not deserve better than what we get, but Hillary did.

[Botany]

25. The world was robbed

https://www.politifact.com/global-news/statements/2016/jun/15/hillary-clinton/clinton-clinton-foundation-helped-9-million-lower-/

"Nine million people have lower-cost HIV/AIDS medicine because of the work of the Clinton Foundation and my husband."
— Hillary Clinton on Wednesday, June 8th, 2016 in an interview on CNN

[barbtries]

29. and that's just one aspect.

climate change, immigration, environmental rights, trump's fucking wall and everything and everyone he's just knocking out of the way to make it, corruption off the hook, endless lies and propaganda, divisiveness, you know i could go on.

[calimary]

43. Just shows how threatening she was, and clearly still is.

How threatened this pathetic deceitful manipulative LITTLE “man” is - and all his pathetic, deluded LITTLE followers are.

Sooooo threatened by this towering, brilliant, and magnificent woman. Hard to wrap my brain around, frankly. I just don’t get how threatened they are by her.

Maybe all her marvelous accomplishments make them jealous or something? Or force them to confront their own inadequacy that they would rather not have to face? Because they didn’t make as much of their lives as she has? That whole “zero-sum game” thing?

[barbtries]

46. that could factor in,

but i think it's more the patriarchy thing. old white men in a panic, and we shouldn't forget that republicans hate women.

[Different Drummer]

28. You are correct. Sad, isn't it?

DD

[Fla Dem]

30. How I console myself.....

Had Hillary been elected and with the House and Senate we had for the 1st 2 years, she would have been blocked at every initiative. HRC would have had to do much of her legislating by executive orders, while not needing Congress's approval, would probably have been challenged in the courts.

She might have been able to get a moderate SC judge appointed, although McConnell swore he would block her every appointment. Justice Kennedy probably would not have resigned. Maybe RBG would have resigned, but only if it was certain HRC could have gotten a candidate appointed.

Not sure how this would have played out in the 2018 mid-terms. If HRC in office with the endless Republican attacks, would have resulted in the same great election results we did get. Afterall, a lot of the blue wave was in response to the tyrannical governing of Trump and the Republicans.

At least the 1st two years would have been a complete Republican attack. Her emails, Bill's infidelities, Seth Rich's murder, it would be endless conspiracies.

So would I have loved to see HRC elected.....absolutely. I was a big supporter.


But I wonder now that we know how much foreign influence there was and is, if she would ever have been allowed to govern. The political environment would be so toxic, just like it is now, but perhaps toward the Democrats, rather than the Republican.

So maybe in the end result, while there is so much to heal and repair once Trump is out of office, we may actually end up better off in the long run. The public, particularly the younger generations are seeing the corruption of the RW. We are the party of climate change, the environment, education, healthcare, equality, and so many other GOOD initiatives to move this country forward.

I may be "whistling in the dark", but that's how I deal with it.

[Demovictory9]

35. k&r

[Sloumeau]

37. That was me when SNL's Kate McKinnon Sang

'Hallelujah' as Hillary Clinton. I cannot watch it without crying.
We could have had a seven-course banquet that filled our hearts with joy. Instead, someone put an orange lump of dog crap on our plate and then told us that it Made America Great Again. Ugh.

[Cha]

39. omg.. that was the

saddest moment of all for me.

[calimary]

44. That was one helluva painful moment.

We were ALL robbed.

[coti]

38. Yeah, America just can't stop fucking up like this.

Too many fucking idiots being played to. There's not much else to say.

[NCLefty]

45. I had a little sad when impeachement was announced. This was all so avoidable... *sigh*

And I think he should be impeached. It's just.. we shouldn't be here. We fucking knew what he was. We knew...

[Botany]

47. And America voted her into power too

But the Russians along with helpers like the Mercers and Brad Parscale installed
Trump instead. And now as it looks like Trump is gonna be impeached "they"
are saying we are trying to overturn the will of the American people.

[lpbk2713]

48. Fuck Trump and his Russian co-conspirators.

They ruined our country.

[jimlup]

49. MLK: "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice"...

We will eventually prevail.