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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 06:15 PM Sep 2019

"Not normal is an understatement. It's off the hook, The wheels have come off the bus."



Richard Engel ✔ @RichardEngel

Not normal is an understatement. It's off the hook, The wheels have come off the bus. The AG investigating US intel services, via foreign intel services? ,.. what?

Greg Miller ✔ @gregpmiller

The attorney general is making undisclosed trips overseas asking foreign intel services to help investigate U.S. intel services. That is not normal. @DevlinBarrett @shaneharris @mattzap
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/attorney-general-barr-personally-asked-foreign-officials-to-aid-inquiry-into-cia-fbi-activities-in-2016/2019/09/30/d50cd5c4-e3a5-11e9-b403-f738899982d2_story.html


6:13 PM - Sep 30, 2019
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"Not normal is an understatement. It's off the hook, The wheels have come off the bus." (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Sep 2019 OP
What pisses me off is the guest on CNN ten minutes ago saying this was no big deal. Mike 03 Sep 2019 #1
Yeah, it depends on who Cha Sep 2019 #11
The phrase your looking for is 'espionage against the United States.'. Volaris Sep 2019 #12
Thank You, Volaris! Cha Sep 2019 #14
This is so big, I am unable to cope right now. triron Sep 2019 #15
It was all over the news page when we came in, can't take it all in yet appalachiablue Sep 2019 #21
He is correct malaise Sep 2019 #2
Can we use the word treason yet? I mean...wtf Claritie Pixie Sep 2019 #3
Not unless we declare war on Russia or the Ukraine. TwilightZone Sep 2019 #19
At least we dont have to worry about the 2 witness requirement grantcart Sep 2019 #26
Trof posted this days ago... Duppers Sep 2019 #38
Yes we can! I consider Drumpf to be a domestic enemy of the usa! ralps Sep 2019 #35
It's going to backfire big time Jarqui Sep 2019 #4
THIS! Mike 03 Sep 2019 #6
I'm amazed they've taken this much abuse this long. Ligyron Sep 2019 #20
I don't think the talking heads yet fully realize the implications of this. Mike 03 Sep 2019 #5
That's why I love Engel's and Miller's tweets. It frames the whole thing perfectly Dennis Donovan Sep 2019 #7
Pure and unadulterated treason of a form unimaginable to our founders. triron Sep 2019 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2019 #8
That dirty rat, Barr! Someone poke him with a pin. ffr Sep 2019 #9
My post from earlier... asiliveandbreathe Sep 2019 #10
K&R... spanone Sep 2019 #13
Retweeted! Cha Sep 2019 #16
Umm... I'm hoping there are numerous loud demands for barr's resignation ecstatic Sep 2019 #18
It sounds to me like Trump declared war on the United States in retaliation for his impeachment. world wide wally Sep 2019 #22
The best framing I have seen yet. NT ALBliberal Sep 2019 #24
Agreed! MsLeopard Sep 2019 #25
presidential line of succession? me_not_you Sep 2019 #31
I see what you did there 😄 MsLeopard Sep 2019 #34
The Hat Trick of Politics me_not_you Sep 2019 #37
The Speaker of the House ... aggiesal Sep 2019 #36
Yep! MsLeopard Sep 2019 #40
This puts lives at risk... KSNY Sep 2019 #23
Completely expected. the AG is a fox news conspiracy disciple. As is the president Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #27
Good point- both Barr and Trump have drunk the extreme right wingnut conspiracy koolaid wishstar Sep 2019 #30
I hope that the repub-controlled Senate is watching this closely, seeing how rump is attacking ... SWBTATTReg Sep 2019 #28
Spin that, MFrs. paleotn Sep 2019 #29
Or as Senator Chris Murphy tweeted a little while ago: George II Sep 2019 #32
K&R smirkymonkey Sep 2019 #33
K & R & R & R Duppers Sep 2019 #39

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
1. What pisses me off is the guest on CNN ten minutes ago saying this was no big deal.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 06:18 PM
Sep 2019

This sure seems like a huge deal to me. I hope we get clarification on this soon.

Cha

(296,881 posts)
11. Yeah, it depends on who
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 06:31 PM
Sep 2019

the person was saying that.. was it a trump stooge?

It sure as hell seems like it's desperate and isn't there another phrase besides "not normal"?

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
12. The phrase your looking for is 'espionage against the United States.'.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 06:37 PM
Sep 2019

Because that's what you're doing if you're engaging foreign operatives in an effort to undermine YOUR OWN INTELLIGENCE SERVICES.

TwilightZone

(25,429 posts)
19. Not unless we declare war on Russia or the Ukraine.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 07:00 PM
Sep 2019

And we/they engage in hostilities.

Traitorous, however, seems perfectly applicable. His "civil war" nonsense could also be considered sedition. Both of those are fair game.

Treason requires a declared enemy. Enemy is defined in the "Spoils of War" section of the War and National Defense section of the code.

"According to 50 USCS § 2204 [Title 50. War and National Defense; Chapter 39. Spoils of War], enemy of the United States means any country, government, group, or person that has been engaged in hostilities, whether or not lawfully authorized, with the United States;"

https://definitions.uslegal.com/e/enemy-of-the-united-states/

Treason:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
26. At least we dont have to worry about the 2 witness requirement
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 07:49 PM
Sep 2019

Doing it in the open like this has created 76,342,689 witnesses and growing.

I am ready, just hope they validate, parking is going to be a bitch.


Since he is attacking and undermining the system of Government he is building a case for sedition.

Jarqui

(10,122 posts)
4. It's going to backfire big time
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 06:21 PM
Sep 2019

I think they've passed the point of "enough is enough" with the US Intelligence community.

If any group can dig up the counter dirt on Trump and Barr, it is them.

They've been playing with fire for a long time. They are going to get burned.

Ligyron

(7,619 posts)
20. I'm amazed they've taken this much abuse this long.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 07:10 PM
Sep 2019

Trump and his enablers have been poking a couple of tigers in the eye repeatedly and it's incredible they thought they'd get away with it.

Of course, they probably had no good alternative really. I mean, it's not like they could act patriotic with the best interests of the country in mind. Oh no.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
5. I don't think the talking heads yet fully realize the implications of this.
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 06:22 PM
Sep 2019

This is an unbelievable story. You've got the US AG going to foreign intelligence agencies and saying, "Disprove what our guys in our intel agencies proved."

Will our people in the FBI and CIA stand for this?

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
7. That's why I love Engel's and Miller's tweets. It frames the whole thing perfectly
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 06:25 PM
Sep 2019

The Executive Branch is interfering with, and undermining OUR own intelligence services!! And Russia is the benefactor of it all!!!

Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
10. My post from earlier...
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 06:30 PM
Sep 2019

How to piss off an intelligence agency..or a state dept...or the FBI...

I do believe , the latest revelations concerning Barr going to all these countries to investigate the Mueller report information "investigate the investigators" has kicked a hornets nest..I see this as also an attempt to remove Russia from being the perps of hacking..the people in those US agencies have had enough...DRIP-DRIP-DRIP...

Thus, Volker resigning and will testify...

MsLeopard

(1,265 posts)
25. Agreed!
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 07:49 PM
Sep 2019

And the only reason he gets away with it is because the “Justice” Department holds the ultimate responsibility for charging him with any crimes, and they’ll never do it. They’re part of the problem.

Barr needs to be impeached, have the official investigation begin ASAP (along with one on Pence), and then we can talk about some real progress being made.

 

me_not_you

(75 posts)
31. presidential line of succession?
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 08:36 PM
Sep 2019

Hold up! If Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence are removed from office, who's gonna run the nation then?!?!?!?

MsLeopard

(1,265 posts)
34. I see what you did there 😄
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 08:46 PM
Sep 2019

If the third in line appoints HRC VP, then resigns, we have the ultimate karma event!

aggiesal

(8,907 posts)
36. The Speaker of the House ...
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 08:49 PM
Sep 2019

is the 3rd in line.
Madame President Nancy Pelosi

She already has Secret Service Detail and a Government supplied Airplane.

MsLeopard

(1,265 posts)
40. Yep!
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 09:41 PM
Sep 2019

In the very early days of this administration, it was a true pipe dream to think it could actually happen. But now, not so much!! :cheers:

KSNY

(315 posts)
23. This puts lives at risk...
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 07:42 PM
Sep 2019

Not only the lives of members of the intelligence services overseas, but all of our lives.
Barr needs to be in jail.

wishstar

(5,268 posts)
30. Good point- both Barr and Trump have drunk the extreme right wingnut conspiracy koolaid
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 08:21 PM
Sep 2019

as well as Giuliani. But although I knew Barr was under influence of rw Fox nuttery, I didn't think he would actually carry through to such an extent trying to discredit US intelligence and the Mueller report findings

SWBTATTReg

(22,077 posts)
28. I hope that the repub-controlled Senate is watching this closely, seeing how rump is attacking ...
Mon Sep 30, 2019, 07:55 PM
Sep 2019

our intelligence services and the like, purely on out-of-the-air accusations and / or a distorted sense of reality. His incompetence is growing by leaps and bounds and I think soon something has got to break. Perhaps Nancy P. and/or others in the Senate are conferring w/ each other on a daily basis to discuss his mental state and ability to govern. I would.

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