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Roland99

(53,342 posts)
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:13 PM Nov 2019

Breaking - Testimony: White House lawyer (Eisenberg) told Vindman not to discuss Ukraine call

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2019/11/01/white-house-vindman-ukraine-call-063892

The senior White House lawyer who placed a record of President Donald Trump’s July 25 call with Ukraine’s president in a top-secret system also instructed at least one official who heard the call not to tell anyone about it, according to testimony heard by House impeachment investigators this week.

...

Eisenberg recorded Vindman’s complaints in notes on a yellow legal pad, then conferred with his deputy Michael Ellis about how to handle the conversation because it was clearly “sensitive,” Vindman testified. The lawyers then decided to move the record of the call into the NSC’s top-secret codeword system—a server normally used to store highly classified material that only a small group of officials can access.

Vindman did not consider the move itself as evidence of a cover-up, according to a person familiar with his testimony. But he said he became disturbed when, a few days later, Eisenberg instructed him not to tell anyone about the call—especially because it was Vindman’s job to coordinate the interagency process with regard to Ukraine policy.

Eisenberg’s decision to move the call record to the codeword system following his conversation with Vindman was first reported by The Washington Post. But Eisenberg’s subsequent request that Vindman not disclose the content of the call to anyone has not been previously reported.
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Breaking - Testimony: White House lawyer (Eisenberg) told Vindman not to discuss Ukraine call (Original Post) Roland99 Nov 2019 OP
K&R, Another one of Trump associated lawyers needs a lawyer. Trump is stupid, he could've done the uponit7771 Nov 2019 #1
I have always had some uncertainty about Eisenberg principals Botany Nov 2019 #2
i think i got it dweller Nov 2019 #3
So does that mean we can't know both how fast Trump will be impeached The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #6
Impeachment is a fixed and a given. Botany Nov 2019 #9
Russia hacked the RNC servers too. Kompromat for everyone! OMGWTF Nov 2019 #13
Ha! Roland99 Nov 2019 #7
I got it, even though I am a literature person, so should be *uncertain*--but I read a lot of SF. nt tblue37 Nov 2019 #11
His actions have created great uncertainty, that's for sure. LastDemocratInSC Nov 2019 #19
Schrodinger's Call. WheelWalker Nov 2019 #20
Eisenberg compensators Cary Nov 2019 #24
Yea, but I'm not sure. Maraya1969 Nov 2019 #26
YEAH - msnbc keeps saying he's going to give deposition on Monday, but I can't find confirmation Leghorn21 Nov 2019 #4
Lawyers whose lawyers need lawyers. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #5
Makes me think about all the psychologists/etc. who need psych.... erronis Nov 2019 #16
"sensitive" central scrutinizer Nov 2019 #8
So this means that call transcript gets subpoenaed right? docgee Nov 2019 #10
As well as the "yellow pad" notes. WheelWalker Nov 2019 #21
Coverup. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #12
Oh come on! Just haul that ahole in front of the bar for multiple ethics violations infullview Nov 2019 #14
Eisenberg's deputy is Michael Ellis??? Grins Nov 2019 #15
What you do expect them to do when the bottom of the barrel is just slime? erronis Nov 2019 #17
It's interesting that lawyers made the decision to bury this call. patphil Nov 2019 #18
Does this mean that they can't get back into it and mess with evidence without NSC cooperation? NBachers Nov 2019 #22
My guess is that any modifications to documents stored on that server patphil Nov 2019 #29
"Oops. Harry used the only backup floppy for a coffee coaster." Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #30
You just pegged yourself as an old guy. patphil Nov 2019 #31
hey, it's the gubmint. at least they upgraded from cassette Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #32
My first computer was a Commodore Pet, and it had a cassette. patphil Nov 2019 #33
What sort of actions can the ABA or locals take against all these lawyers who evade the law Karadeniz Nov 2019 #23
They KNEW it was a QUID PRO QUO...and proceeded to COVER IT UP spanone Nov 2019 #25
Eisenberg! Come on down! BootinUp Nov 2019 #27
Oops! Blue Owl Nov 2019 #28

uponit7771

(90,329 posts)
1. K&R, Another one of Trump associated lawyers needs a lawyer. Trump is stupid, he could've done the
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:13 PM
Nov 2019

... RayGun bit and acted like he didn't know nothing at least for a couple of months.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,659 posts)
6. So does that mean we can't know both how fast Trump will be impeached
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:24 PM
Nov 2019

and where it will occur, at the same time?

Yes, I'm a nerd.

Botany

(70,483 posts)
9. Impeachment is a fixed and a given.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:34 PM
Nov 2019

Thanksgiving to 1/15/20 PDQ if we get to see the Mueller report. Where it will happen with a >75%
probability of being correct .... Trump will be on the golf course.

The uncertainty is about if the GOP Senators will stand up for America and do the right thing.

This is the biggest crime in America's history and we are dealing with the largest international
crime syndicate in the world. God only knows how many are owned by Putin.

tblue37

(65,273 posts)
11. I got it, even though I am a literature person, so should be *uncertain*--but I read a lot of SF. nt
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:41 PM
Nov 2019

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
4. YEAH - msnbc keeps saying he's going to give deposition on Monday, but I can't find confirmation
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:21 PM
Nov 2019

of that....I can’t believe he’d actually show up, he’s got some deep dark secrets

He’s a big “git”, for sure

Hey, Eisenberg, do the right thing, how about it?

erronis

(15,219 posts)
16. Makes me think about all the psychologists/etc. who need psych....
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:03 PM
Nov 2019

Or Doctors of Philosophy who can only teach other people to be the same.

Godel-Escher-Bach and incomplete Turing machines.

docgee

(870 posts)
10. So this means that call transcript gets subpoenaed right?
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:39 PM
Nov 2019

Where's the hold my breath emoji?

Actually they have to subpoena it, but it will be another count of obstruction when it isn't given up.

infullview

(978 posts)
14. Oh come on! Just haul that ahole in front of the bar for multiple ethics violations
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:58 PM
Nov 2019

and disbar him. Disbarred Lawyers are a bit like snakes that have been de-fanged.

Grins

(7,205 posts)
15. Eisenberg's deputy is Michael Ellis???
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:02 PM
Nov 2019

Michael Ellis? Who was partnered with another WH freak - Ezra Cohen-Watnick - when GOP scum Devin Nunes Ubered over to the White House after dark to give behind-the-scenes info on confidential Congressional hearings? THAT Michael Ellis?

patphil

(6,162 posts)
18. It's interesting that lawyers made the decision to bury this call.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:05 PM
Nov 2019

I would have thought it would take more than their direction to get the call moved to that top secret NSC server since they don't sit on the council.
I would think it would take at least one member of the NSC to agree to it.
I get the feeling the lawyers were granted the authority to do this by the NSC for the expressed purpose of burying sensitive materials without having to get the NSC directly involved.
After all, they would know if they contained information that might lead to embarrassment of the president, or even impeachment.

Patrick Phillips

patphil

(6,162 posts)
29. My guess is that any modifications to documents stored on that server
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 09:50 PM
Nov 2019

will have to go through some sort of vetting process, and any changes would be logged with before and after edits...a reviewable audit trail.
It would have to have been given a top secret designation to get put in there, so it would be read only to protect it from casual changes. Only a select few people would have write access to these documents.
I don't think the White House lawyers would be foolish enough to attempt to change it.

Patrick Phillips

patphil

(6,162 posts)
31. You just pegged yourself as an old guy.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 11:42 PM
Nov 2019

Very few people under 40 have ever even seen a floppy disk. Even CD's and DVD's are passe.
Ah, I have fond memories of the 1.2 MB floppies on my old Windows 3.1 computer.
Not!

Patrick Phillips

patphil

(6,162 posts)
33. My first computer was a Commodore Pet, and it had a cassette.
Sat Nov 2, 2019, 02:39 PM
Nov 2019

Then I got a dual 5 1/4 inch, 340 thousand byte floppy disk unit that only cost $1,100. and I thought I really had something.
My how time has changed things.
I can now buy a 256 GB thumb drive for about $30.
That's over 213,000 1.2MB floppies!
We got old, didn't we?
And the world kept on changing.


Patrick Phillips

Karadeniz

(22,490 posts)
23. What sort of actions can the ABA or locals take against all these lawyers who evade the law
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:02 PM
Nov 2019

Or encourage disobedience to the constitution or use joint defense to coordinate activities.

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