Anyone else see a pattern?!?!

[Soph0571]

Heh... look at that - isn't that about the same % who pretend to be 'proper' Christians? Oh my!

This 1/3 wear their pious intransigence on their sleeves while advocating hate for other; they will claim those wishing for progress are demonic in their policy and practice. They are overwhelmingly people who promote division. LGBT rights, the rights of immigrants, woman’s rights, policies on people of colour, all have their rights diminished in the name of the far right fantasy uplands of a land that never was.

[MyOwnPeace]

1. AND.........

30-some percent (about one-third) support and approve of the job IQ45 is doing.......

[Kaiserguy]

4. And that 33% would love to kill

the 33% who don't agree with them and the other 33% would sit and watch it happen and never say a word as long as it didn't affect them. When it did affect them it would be to late to stop it. Nazi Germany all over again!

[John1956PA]

12. +1. Well stated. n/t

[calimary]

2. Most interesting.

Every move forward always seems to come with a ball and chain.

[PJMcK]

3. Welcome to the United States of America

It's always baffling to look at the American landscape and see how many U.S. citizens have absolutely no idea about the fundamentals of our political structure. They read the Founding Documents but have no idea what the words mean.

At least 1/3 of American voters are really stupid. You can see it in every election cycle.

[whathehell]

8. Welcome to virtually Every Large Nation on Earth.

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I hate to interrupt the Five Minutes of Self-Hate, but there's nothing to suggest that Americans are a particularly unique, or "stupid" species of
human.

[paleotn]

13. Fine if you live in a kelptocracy or full on dictatorship.

Mortally dangerous for a liberal democracy. There's always the threat of democracy committing suicide unless it holds its citizens to a higher standard. Outside influence isn't even necessary as we become our own worst enemies. Institutions and safeguards are being stretched to the breaking point and Madison and Adam's greatest fears are becoming realized. Unless we change course in that respect, I fear we're doomed. The country will split eventually. I also feel that unless the rule of law comes down on these jackasses like a ton of bricks we're in serious trouble. If political power shifts in 2021, we can't afford to let this shit slide as we did in 2009. These people need to go to jail, if anything as an example and a warning.

[whathehell]

20. Huh?.. What' is "fine"?

You may want to re-read the post again -- I never said any of it was "fine", I merely said that the qualities noted were human, not unique to "Americans".

[paleotn]

23. No worries. I did read it. I agree that it's a universal condition...

and that's OK, or fine if you like, if we live in an autocracy of some kind. In that case, there's not damage done. My point is, liberal democracies can't afford it. By the simple nature of our system of government it's dangerous and we and seemingly every western democracy is seeing it play out now in real time.

[whathehell]

25. Okay, we're good, paleotn..

and I do appreciate your peaceable, polite reply...It can be a rare thing here.

[Cary]

27. True, but I always thought we were better than this

[whathehell]

29. Me too, but it may be that no one is actually better..

We forget, sometimes, that we're still a relatively young country, and that other nations have experienced (and survived) extreme, negative regimes...I do think the Trump Monster is an aberration, one who's headed for a decided exit.


That's not to say we need not be vigilant about some of the scary
Right Wing elements beyond Trump we're seeing, both here and abroad, but it's not even near time to despair. I am, in fact,
very heartened by some of our strong progressive voices, both in the new Congress and on the campaign trail, so I believe the tide may well be turning in this country.

[Cirque du So-What]

5. I see a pattern. 1/3 of Americans always LOSE when they stand on the wrong side of history

For the sake of all life on this planet sake, we need to ensure that they continue to LOSE.

[whathehell]

11. That would apply to any society..

not just "Americans", lol.

[NCDem47]

6. These are the unpersuadables

And let's face facts, they total in the tens of millions nationwide.

The good news is that we also have 1/3 on our side. It's the fight for the 1/3 in the middle who swing between each side.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

7. Bravo

[Martin Eden]

9. I oppose change

I oppose the transformation of our representative democracy into a fascist theocracy.

To prevent that from happening the 2/3 majority has to step forward and exert their power of democracy before they lose it.

[democratisphere]

10. Dumb, dumber and dumbest.

Humans and politics.

[uponit7771]

14. K&R, Hitlers initial support in Germany was around 32% IINM ...

[Mr. Ected]

15. One-third of the country control the rest of us

At least until we retook the House last year.

[paleotn]

16. The 1/3 didn't get that way on their own.

Manipulating the voters is as old as Athenian democracy. Religious and political demagogues are to blame. Democracy's achilles heal.

[mysteryowl]

17. 1/3 of Americans are having trouble assimilating

They have not been able to adapt to the American ways.
They need help doing that.

Hmmmm.... how can we help them adapt to American ways?

[The_jackalope]

18. They are the authoritarians

A constant one-third of all societies. Plain old human nature at work. Bob Altemeyer's book "The Authoritarians" lays it all out.

[certainot]

21. but why? authoritarianism is measured with the "uncertainty avoidance index"m or UAI

avoiding uncertainty is a major motivator for authoritarianism -

and in iain mcgilchrist's book "the master and his emissary. the divided brain" he says the left side of the brain wants certainty at the expense of truth.

they point to sex on the wrong brain - when impatient satisfaction-demanding reproductive urges are diverted to/associated with brain functions that need to be patient and objective - like with logic, pushing for premature conclusion, finality, certainty

humans have been learning sex with the wrong hand, the hand connected to the left side of the brain, the wrong side for sex, emotion, orgasm. but we didn't start that way. early humans were 50-50 right and left and then about 100,000 years ago we became 90-10 right handed. was that because the right handed humans had more authoritarian tendencies and in times of conflict that was an advantage? brain characteristics that favored sex on the wrong brain authoritarianism are inherited, and until humans start up that simple lesson in sex ed we're stuck with the authoritarians

[certainot]

19. 25% say they 'often' get their news from radio

together with sex on the wrong brain authoritarianism....

[whathehell]

22. Humans by Nature tend to oppose change..

There's nothing particularly "American" about it, in fact we're probably lucky that it's only 1/3 instead of one half or more.

In this time of intense frustration, I understand the impulse to self-criticism, but I think it's important to keep it constructive.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

24. 1 in 4 people are sociopaths, narcissitic and

Authoritarian in America and the number of these assholes is going up.

[Cartaphelius]

31. Unless

we break the chain of stupid.

One candidate, Klobuchar I think, has put forth the idea of required
federal service. Because, I.M.H.O., at the time of the American
Revolution, there existed a large population of sympathisers dedicated
to the Crown's goal of making us a subservient to the British Empire.

Just because those seeking freedom from these ties won, us, the good
guys, the advocates (republican surrender monkeys, each and every one)
continued efforts to serve the Crown. Left unchecked as they were, they
bred their discontent generation after generation.

And what do we have now? Most people go to work. Relying on their
job performance and pay checks to better themselves and those around
them.

While other folks strike out on their own. With reliance upon their wits
and efforts to survive. Income was realized from hunting, farming or
other non-formalized employment. Which only deepened the drive
of individualism.

As the population grew more reliant on society as a whole and contributed
to societies growth and its success. Whereas, the Crown Loyalists
(individuals/entrepreneurs) sought to retain every penny they got their
hands on while limiting their contributing to society to the point of relying on
society to pay their way in one fashion or another.

Recall the arrogant notion foisted upon us by the Crown Loyalists
(republicans) that, "through their hard work, individual and/or entrepreneurs
are the job creators not the government." That the American Government
NEVER created a single job remains one of the biggest, if not THE biggest
lie the republicans ever told Americans.

There are few jobs, if any, that exist that cannot be linked directly to
societal (governmental) creation. The government funded the development
of every technology we have witnessed. The government has paid for each
and every highway and road that provides for the transportation of all
goods and services. The government educated the population and work-
force of this country.

The Government, for the majority, means each and every one of us
that pay taxes to support its function and rely on its continuity and growth.

To the republicans, the government, us, you and me, firmly support
the idea of "I'm not in favor of abolishing the government. I just want to
shrink it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub." (source;
Grover Norquist)

So it is a real easy choice;

Would you rather a voice in governance?

Or would you prefer to be "drown in a bathtub" by those (republicans)
who unapologetically live off YOUR contributions and taxes dollars made
to our government, while spending the same money, OUR money , to
promote the destruction of OUR society and OUR future?

[liberal N proud]

26. 33% is the true conservative base

They are the negatives.

33% only wins when they trick enough people to believe them.

[Garrett78]

28. I think there's also a sizable portion of the population that is just unaware.

People who don't know who the VP is or that there's a presidential election next year.

[roamer65]

30. Whoa. Don't paint the loyalists from the Revolutionary War as some sort of evil.

They supported remaining as a British colony, which means Native Americans would have been treated better and slavery would have simply ended by an Act of Parliament. Many of them migrated to Canada and at this point, I definitely prefer their approach to life.

The British would not let settlers go west of the Appalachian Mountain divide because of potential conflict with Native Americans. They had that one right.

https://www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/1763-proclamation-of

This part of his comparison is out of bounds and historically ignorant.