Pelosi worried Dems on wrong track

[Laura PourMeADrink]

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https://news.yahoo.com/nancy-pelosi-worried-2020-candidates-100000963.html

(Bloomberg) -- Speaker Nancy Pelosi is issuing a pointed message to Democrats running for president in 2020: Those liberal ideas that fire up the party’s base are a big loser when it comes to beating President Donald Trump.

Proposals pushed by Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders like Medicare for All and a wealth tax play well in liberal enclaves like her own district in San Francisco but won’t sell in the Midwestern states that sent Trump to the White House in 2016, she said.

“What works in San Francisco does not necessarily work in Michigan,” Pelosi said at a roundtable of Bloomberg News reporters and editors on Friday. “What works in Michigan works in San Francisco — talking about workers’ rights and sharing prosperity.”

[cry baby]

1. She's so astute, it's hard not to give her opinions some deep thought. nt

[dflprincess]

8. That is true

but I have a hard time believing that pushing the status quo is a winning strategey.

One reason for Trump's popularity is that people were desperate for change (better wages, affordable college, access to health care - not just insurance) and that made easy for them to fall for what he was telling him.

[question everything]

18. R's were desperate for change after 8 years of Obama

Most of the country now just want to restore normalcy.

[SterlingPound]

31. Not to mention that America was ready and willing to swallow a GOP

Healthcare Plan SIte Unseen that did everything yet cost nothing and nothing changed about it but getting rid of obamacare

Well GOP Healthcare On Day 1 Plus 2 years, 286 days, 14 hours, 0 minutes and 24 seconds


We can Pass M4A Some of our Elected Reps just need to grow a pair!

[kentuck]

2. Republicans would never gamble with such proposals.

They offer taxcuts and increased spending for defense. But not much more. They wait until they are in power and then make the changes they want to make.

Democrats might take a tip from them.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

5. yes!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

9. Yes..they don't telegraph it...they just all always know that all

That matters is keeping the rich rich.

[LakeArenal]

3. Seems some folks think the blue wave hit the Midwest more than it did.

Asswipes like Ron Johnson and Sean Duffy still have credibility. The “lock her up” syndrome is alive and well.

Those jerks at trump’s rallies come from somewhere and are alive and well in the outside world.

[kwolf68]

4. WoW

Those Liberal ideas are a loser when beating Trump? Well shit, maybe we should have nominated a centrist in 2016, where did we go wrong? Is this a joke? Lets let Democracy work and then decide. If progressives are loser, then they'll be proven so....so lets go.

[kentuck]

6. I don't think it much matters what they say at this time.

Trump is going to to continue to steal every news cycle. Whatever else they do, they have to challenge Donald Trump every day. They have to let people know there is an alternative.

[pat_k]

12. If we lose, we lose to corruption of elections by systematic...

... disenfranchisement, gerrymandering, and straight out election theft.

If we nominate a strong candidate who fights for what is right, and that candidate loses, it won't mean that demonstrating strength and moral principle is a "losing" strategy. It means we failed to fight hard enough to protect the integrity of our elections.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212649164#post11

[rainy]

28. Yes so true!

[rainy]

26. Yes to this!

[moondust]

7. Or not.

A lot of people in rural areas don't have affordable health care. That's where many apparently turn to opioids or suicide. The situation may get worse as rural economies slow due to China buying farm products elsewhere because of Dumpy's foolish tariffs.

Amid Trump Tariffs, Farm Bankruptcies And Suicides Rise

Nancy sounds a bit like a millionaire San Francisco elitist who just does not want to pay another nickel in taxes. How much time has she spent on the ground in those Midwestern states?

On the other hand, it is indeed very complicated and needs more than a gnat's attention span to grasp. I thought AOC's explanation to Cuomo was a pretty good start.

[ismnotwasm]

17. There's literally not enough places to GET healthcare

In rural America. The RN shortage is here. The provider shortage is here. I’ve yet to see a single proposal from M4A proponents addressing this. Who is going to provide healthcare? Are we going to be able to earn what we are worth? When I wander in to work And meet blood and shit and infection and death and epidemic workplace violence, I’m not interested in feel good proposals that don’t have the literal infrastructure to back them up.

I don’t give a shit what it costs, I want universal healthcare to be workable.

Nancy Pelosi has common fucking sense.

[moondust]

24. "Common fucking sense"

is knowing that virtually every other advanced economy on Earth has some form of affordable universal health care and none of them claims to be the "richest country on Earth." That's not just "feel good." Facts like that are a big reason Republicans and other greed monkeys have tried for decades to keep Americans focused inward so they won't find out how things work in other countries.

You think anything resembling the current for-profit health care system is going to open new facilities out in rural areas where so few people, jobs, and PROFITS remain? Not gonna happen.

[colsohlibgal]

10. How Times Have Changed

From FDR through Jimmy Carter we had a top marginal tax rate from 70 something percent to 92 percent. Reagan got it dropped more than half and now most anyone under 45 or so believe top marginal rates have never been high. Heck it was 91 or 92 % through Eisenhower’s two terms....and he was a Republican.

Of course Nancy is old enough to remember that.

[pat_k]

11. standing strong for moral principles has more appeal....

... than any wishy washy, let's not demand what we think is right bullshit the establishment dems believe is the way to win.

Bill Clinton said himself

"When people are insecure, they'd rather have somebody who is strong and wrong than someone who's weak and right."

The only way to beat Trump's strong and wrong is to match it with bold strength, standing steadfastly for our REAL principles. You know, those principles that are expressed in the Democratic platform, that only the so-called "extremist" dems have the guts to actually fight for.

The "center" has moved so far to the right, people don't recognize the REAL middle any more.

If we don't draw some REAL lines in the sand and steadfastly stand up for what we believe in, the nation will just keep being pulled in the direction of the right-wingnuts who DO draw firm lines and refuse to waver, no matter how many people say "will never happe." (Like all the people who were sure abortion would never be banned -- that the extremists would never really make any headway. And now we have states where is it almost impossible for women who have limited resources to terminate unwanted pregnancy... and the basic right is seriously under threat nationally.)

[rainy]

30. Great post, so true!!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

35. RIGHT THE FUCK ON!!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Autumn]

41. YES!!! This is it

[abqtommy]

13. My opinion is that Democrats are doing something right. Hillary WON the popular vote in

2016 by 3 million votes. If it weren't for the ratfucking ratfuckers tRUMP would never been installed
as pRESIDENT. Come on, Nancy, help give us a fair and secure vote, we got this!

[highplainsdem]

14. She's right about that.

[UniteFightBack]

15. I sincerely hope people vote with THEIR HEADS. nt

[Thekaspervote]

23. +1000

[Takket]

16. That's why public option is the answer

Everyone paying out the nose for private insurance with a huge deductible is going to switch within a few years when they see their neighbor getting more coverage at less cost. We don’t need to murder private insurance. The public will do it for us.

[question everything]

19. Emphasis on option.

Not on removing choices.

[Thekaspervote]

21. This. President Obama: "this country is like a huge ocean liner, can't turn it on a dime."

And he’s right. Regardless of who your candidate of choice is, all Dems want to see everyone covered.

If you have a magic wand, then please proceed, otherwise it will have to be steady as she goes. The ACA was a start we just have to keep working at it

[Fiendish Thingy]

20. Pelosi is afraid of losing big donors for down ballot races

If you think we should be talking about workers' rights and prosperity, that includes health care and education, and higher taxes on the wealthiest to address income inequality.

[Thekaspervote]

22. Madam speaker has yet to ever comprise her integrity and common core democratic values

We are all very lucky to have her!!

[tirebiter]

25. Focusing on smahing Trump

Is status quo? Failure’s no success at all. This seems to have escaped a number of posters.

[leftstreet]

27. If Democrats don't pass M4A, Republicans will

And it will guarantee them majorities for evah

[tirebiter]

33. Seriously?

You must have some info you’d like to share. Go on...

[patricia92243]

29. She is soooo correct.

[RelativelyJones]

32. She is 100% right.

[YOHABLO]

34. Nah, I think Bernie and Elizabeth's ideas play well all over the U.S. M4A works in Michigan.

I'm in Georgia, and it works for me. Legalization of recreational marijuana would work well with me too.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

36. You got that right YOHABLO... too bad you're not Speaker!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[DeminPennswoods]

38. The populist economic message works very well

in the midwest and other places. If it didn't, Trump wouldn't be president.

Also, Dems are so spooked over Hillary's loss, they can't admit to themselves that she was a candidate for whom, after 40 years of relentless attacks, a lot of people just weren't going to vote.

[OliverQ]

39. So is Pelosi's argument that Biden is the only viable candidate since

he's the most moderate?

[RandiFan1290]

40. lol

[MrsCoffee]

42. The only thing that sent Trump to the White House in 2016 was treason.

Secure our elections!

[pecosbob]

43. A tsunami doesn't know moderation

[Omaha Steve]

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