Trump: Ukrainians are "horrible, corrupt people".

[RandySF]

“They are horrible, corrupt people,” Trump told them.

So far, a dozen witnesses have testified before House lawmakers since the closed-door impeachment inquiry began a month ago. One theme that runs through almost all of their accounts is Trump’s unyielding loathing of Ukraine, which dates to his earliest days in the White House.

“We could never quite understand it,” a former senior White House official said of Trump’s view of the former Soviet republic, also saying that much of it stemmed from the president’s embrace of conspiracy theories. “There were accusations that they had somehow worked with the Clinton campaign. There were accusations they’d hurt him. He just hated Ukraine.”

White House officials did not respond to requests for comment.

Trump’s animosity to Ukraine ran so deep and was so resistant to the typical foreign policy entreaties about the need to stand by allies that senior officials involved in Ukraine policy concluded that the only way to overcome it was to set up an Oval Office meeting with Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/a-presidential-loathing-for-ukraine-is-at-the-heart-of-the-impeachment-inquiry/2019/11/02/8280ee60-fcc5-11e9-ac8c-8eced29ca6ef_story.html#click=https://t.co/YaMwGaSidY

[BlueStater]

1. He could run a movie theater with the amount of projecting he does. n/t

[pangaia]

3. Never heard that one before...

[UniteFightBack]

2. "Horrible & Corrupt" is dump's legacy. nt

[2naSalit]

4. His boss has been

trying to take back the Ukraine for quite some time. The scheme seems to be that this was the plan to complete the invasion by tying up support for the country while getting the imbecile in chief to believe that the Ukrainian gov't was acting against him to get him to be a dick to them. All his talking points come from the kremlin. So Ukraine take the hit and pooty moves in and all's well for the fascists.

[RockRaven]

5. Lordy, that sounds like typical Trump projection

"Horrible, Corrupt People" is the Trump family motto.

[Igel]

7. You didn't follow the last Ukrainian presidential campaign, did you?

It had three points that require mentioning.

#1 was corruption in business and government.

#2 was the prevalence of corruption in business and government. Yes, it's the same one repeated, but it bears mentioning twice because it was so far beyond the actual second point in prominence and importance that the actually different second point was nearly invisible at times.

The third (second, really, but a distant second) was the 13,000 people killed and the hundreds of thousands displaced in the bloody-yet-frozen conflict in the east that's crippled and distorted the economy and imposed a constant threat of an additional "antifashistsky" Anschluss. (I so like when reality parodies history, but Crimea was really an Anschluss for all the same reasons as the original one of note, but this time by "antifashist" forces. The Donbas was a second Sudentenland in which the equivalent of the Czechs fought back, and were subject to ethnic cleansing while the Western world fondly pondered its genitals. I can't write "anti-fascist" when dealing with anything Russian, because while the Russian word "antifashist" sounds similar to the English word its meaning overlaps with the standard definition "anti-fascist" only by coincidence. As for the colloquial English definition of "anti-fascist, that's just risible and Gresham's law, applied in spades, to words.)

Still, 13k dead and a crippled economy because of the "war" were rendered almost invisible compared to corruption.

While Trump's view is overblown, exaggerated, stereotyped, and a simplistic caricature, let's not flip the script and in response produce something that's just as overblown, exaggerated, stereotyped, and a simplistic caricature. .)

[Doodley]

6. Putin's enemy is Trump's enemy.

[bluestarone]

8. EXACTLY

Says it all right here.

[dalton99a]

9. +1. Ukraine must be weakened.