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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsShould we try to counter this? I see lots of fb peeps liking it: How I Feel About Trump
I have added my thoughts at the end about how to start:
HOW I FEEL ABOUT TRUMP
You've been on vacation for two weeks, you come home, and your basement is infested with raccoons.. Hundreds of rabid, messy, mean raccoons have overtaken your basement.. You want them gone immediately!.. You call the city and 4 different exterminators, but nobody can handle the job.. But there is this one guy, and he guarantees to get rid of them, so you hire him.. You don't care if the guy smells, you don't care if the guy swears, you don't care if he's an alcoholic, you don't care how many times he's been married, you don't care if he has a plumber's crack, you simply want those raccoons gone!.. You want your problem fixed!.. He's the guy.. He's the best!
Here's why we want Trump: Yes, he's a bit of a jerk; Yes, he's an egomaniac; but we don't care!.. The country is a mess because politicians suck, the Republicans and Democrats can be two-faced and gutless, and illegals are everywhere.. We want it all fixed!.. We don't care that Trump is crude, we don't care that he insults people, we don't care that he has changed positions, we don't care that he's been married 3 times, we don't care that he fights with Megyn Kelly and Rosie O'Donnell, we don't care that he doesn't know the name of some Muslim terrorist.. This country became weak and bankrupt, our enemies were making fun of us, we are being invaded by illegals, we are becoming a nation of victims where every Tom, Ricardo, and Hasid is a special group with special rights to a point where we don't even recognize the country we were born and raised in; "AND WE JUST WANT IT FIXED.. And Trump is the only guy who seems to understand what the people want..
We're sick of politicians, sick of the Democratic Party, sick of the Republican Party, and sick of illegals!.. We just want this thing fixed.. Trump may not be a Saint, but we didnt vote for a Pope.. We voted for a man who doesn't have lobbyist money holding him back, a man who doesn't have political correctness restraining him.. We all know that he has been very successful, hes a good negotiator, he has built a lot of things, and he's also NOT a politician, NOT a cowardly politician.!.. And he says he'll fix it.. And we believe him because he is too much of an egotist to be proven wrong, or looked at and called a liar.. Also, we don't care if the guy has bad hair.. We just want those raccoons gone, out of our house, NOW!!!
You are welcome to copy/paste/share this.. Thousands of people who haven't voted in 25 years seem to be getting involved.. And the more people get this message, the more that will understand why Trump was elected..The raccoons have got to go!!!
My attempt to counter:
Trump is the epitome of the infestation itself. He is the rats and raccoons and all their poop. He is a rapist, a pussy grabber, a liar......
This country is so far right we are now an oligarchy run by corporate control. They write the laws that benefit them.
I'm sure that the brains here can do a much better job countering this than me.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)cause that's what Red Don has done.
The ends are justified in this analogy ignores the most horrid means Trump has done.
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)Every guy that wants to just grab pussy
Every guy thats been itching to punch out people weaker than him
Every guy that wants to yell fuck you at the top of his lungs.
Every guy that cant find a decent job cuz he's this guy.
Every guy who thinks anyone who is not white and male are the onesruining his life.
The guy who hates having his seventh younger supervisor.
The guy who thinks woman are sperm receptacles.
The guy who thinks science and math are irrelevant to his life
The guy who hates Commies but like Putin
I think I could go on.
rainy
(6,090 posts)OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)Girard442
(6,070 posts)"Enough with the whistles, man!"
Seriously, you won't counter this dreck with a carefully crafted rebuttal.
ck4829
(35,045 posts)Without humiliating or hurting them either. Without needing to blame everything on a predecessor. Without going on about some "deep state" conspiracy. Without needing help from Russia. And so on.
I guess that means I should be President. I will be 35 before the next election.
ck4829
(35,045 posts)They could use therapy. And it's just clear they don't understand politics, science, history, culture, etc. on top of their issues.
You've been on vacation for two weeks, you come home, and your basement is infested with raccoons
(Right off the bat, we get an issue, your basement is magically infested with raccoons. Spontaneous generation was discredited hundreds of years ago. How did they get in? What did you do? If hundreds of raccoons are actually in your basement... then YOU did something to bring them in. But you (The person writing this, not you DUer or anyone else criticizing this, but I will use 'you' for the original author here on out) absolve yourself of any responsibility. Furthermore, do you like continuing in the fine line of Hitler and other forces of genocide? You made a comparison of human beings with human bodies, human minds, human souls, and human spirits to an animal. We call that animalistic dehumanization; Hitler had "rats" for Jews, slavers had "atavistic less-evolved humans" for black people, Hutu Power had "cockroaches" for Tutsi, and you have "raccoons" for illegal immigrants. Regardless of what you may think of "illegal immigration", those faceless nobodies actually have a skin, a body, a breath, a brain, a heart, a mind, a soul, a family, etc. like you.)
.. Hundreds of rabid, messy, mean raccoons have overtaken your basement..
(See point above about them being like you)
You want them gone immediately!.. You call the city and 4 different exterminators, but nobody can handle the job.. But there is this one guy, and he guarantees to get rid of them, so you hire him..
(OK, um, so raccoons don't congregate in the hundreds, if I were to suddenly have hundreds of mean non-skittish raccoons in my basement and nobody can handle it except for the One Magical Exterminator then you know what I'd think? It was an issue created by the One Magical Exterminator, fake ultimate hero thing going on, except instead of setting fires and putting them out, he dropped a whole horde of raccoons in my basement then takes the job so he can look like a hero... and that is what is going on here, you've made this issue in your head, and now Trump gets to be your hero. It's not "illegals" shooting up schools and churches, it's not "illegals" driving cars into people because confederate statues matter more to them than human lives, it's not "illegals" driving companies into the ground, it's not "illegals" who caused the 2008 recession, it's not "illegals" who caused the 2003 Iraq War, it's not "illegals" rejecting you from jobs, and it's certainly not "illegals" closing down your place of work and moving it overseas. Your chief complaint is you have to "press 1 for English" )
You don't care if the guy smells, you don't care if the guy swears, you don't care if he's an alcoholic, you don't care how many times he's been married, you don't care if he has a plumber's crack, you simply want those raccoons gone!.. You want your problem fixed!.. He's the guy.. He's the best!
(Except you do care when it's anywhere else, I can pull up a negative review of any business where complaints aren't about the the good, if the person behind the counter swears, is or seems inattentive, has poor hygiene, etc. then you are going to complain about it. That's you, you are the negative reviewer. I myself would never even dream of going into work and swearing or presenting a bad image of myself... or ultimately the institution I represent. You tell kids to pull up their pants but you don't hold a President to this same standard, what's wrong with you?)
Here's why we want Trump: Yes, he's a bit of a jerk; Yes, he's an egomaniac; but we don't care!.. The country is a mess because politicians suck, the Republicans and Democrats can be two-faced and gutless, and illegals are everywhere.. We want it all fixed!.. We don't care that Trump is crude, we don't care that he insults people, we don't care that he has changed positions, we don't care that he's been married 3 times, we don't care that he fights with Megyn Kelly and Rosie O'Donnell, we don't care that he doesn't know the name of some Muslim terrorist..
(You sound like you're never going to be on the receiving end of this, if Trump changed his position, white, I mean what makes you so sure he won't change it on you?)
This country became weak and bankrupt, our enemies were making fun of us, we are being invaded by illegals,
("Illegals", what's up with that? Abortion is LEGAL, so does that mean the people who are spreading this around are all OK with abortion? What if you lived about 160-170 years ago and came across an escaped slave, helping a slave to escape was ILLEGAL, you'd have to turn him or her in or else you would be breaking the law, this shows a dangerous strain of authoritarian thinking in the person who wrote this)
we are becoming a nation of victims where every Tom, Ricardo, and Hasid is a special group with special rights to a point where we don't even recognize the country we were born and raised in; "AND WE JUST WANT IT FIXED.. And Trump is the only guy who seems to understand what the people want..
(Nation of victims, what are you? You sound like a victim of everything and everyone else. And what you want is a fairy tale, the "country we were born and raised in", what do you hate so much about the US today? Crime rate is lower, do you want to return to a higher crime rate, the America of before didn't have Facebook or other forms of social media that you are spreading this on, are you willing to go hard in the paint, or is it just the ethnic groups you don't like?)
We're sick of politicians, sick of the Democratic Party, sick of the Republican Party, and sick of illegals!.. We just want this thing fixed.. Trump may not be a Saint, but we didnt vote for a Pope..
(Yeah, except the last President had to be a Saint in your eyes. And you still attacked him for eating mustard on a hamburger, you attacked him for wearing a tan suit, you attacked him for... (checking notes) oh right, LOW gas prices, and you spread every single conspiracy theory about him, some of those conspiracy theories were circulated by the very same man you don't care is a Saint now. So we'll be sure to remember all of this right here right now about the NEXT President not needing to be a Saint)
We voted for a man who doesn't have lobbyist money holding him back, a man who doesn't have political correctness restraining him.. We all know that he has been very successful, hes a good negotiator, he has built a lot of things, and he's also NOT a politician, NOT a cowardly politician.!..
(You know, it's funny... if we had an issue for years and it took a failed reality TV star to point it out to you, the issue is with you. Sounds like a personal problem to me)
And he says he'll fix it.. And we believe him because he is too much of an egotist to be proven wrong, or looked at and called a liar..
(Oh child, just because you have a big ego, doesn't mean the world will bend to you)
Also, we don't care if the guy has bad hair.. We just want those raccoons gone, out of our house, NOW!!!
(Even if means blowing up the house, right?)
rainy
(6,090 posts)Orangepeel
(13,933 posts)but it won't work. it is hard enough to counter stupidity or racism alone. Together...
Leith
(7,809 posts)There's a guy on the left who says "I vote republican because I don't want gays and liberals ruining my life."
There's a guy on the right holding a money bag saying "I vote republican to keep this guy from figuring out that I'm the one ruining his life."
Or, something on that order. I'm just paraphrasing.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)think? Do we really believe that appeals to reason, honor and integrity might persuade them to abandon Trump?
"---he guarantees---" Like he guaranteed: to build a wall; that Mexico would pay for the wall; that his tax cut would be "rocket fuel" for the economy---yada---yada---yada--------
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)bottomofthehill
(8,329 posts)Trump is the guy that talks you into taking a second out on your house to fix the problem, you pay him, he comes to your house, shits in the corners and pees under your carpets thinking his stink will run them out. Now you have a house that smells like human and raccoon shit, the problem is only worse, the check is cashed, the money is gone so is the grifter thats told you he could solve the problem.
The grifter moves to Florida, you loose your house to the bank and are living in your car, but at least it does not smell like shit so he claims to have solved your problem.
rainy
(6,090 posts)C_U_L8R
(44,998 posts)who fails so badly every time that he goes bankrupt and leaves you with an even bigger problem?
Cartoonist
(7,316 posts)And since when is a serial bankrupter considered successful?
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)character, ethics or principals. That FB post clearly illustrates that.
Arger68
(679 posts)Ignorant, unqualified exterminator and he just comes in and burns your house down yes, the raccoons will be gone but you won't have a house left either.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Congress wont pass the bills.
Tell them we feel the same way. We dont care about intern blow jobs. And lets not hear them say anything similar about our presidents ever again. We dont care if they wear a tan suit either.
Another analogy fail. Is they dont account for his appeals to other nations to help him.
GaYellowDawg
(4,446 posts)HOW YOU SHOULD FEEL ABOUT TRUMP
So you hired this guy to get rid of hundreds of rabid, messy, mean raccoons that have somehow overtaken your basement. You wanted them gone immediately! You called a bunch of people and settled on this one guy who wouldnt have passed your smell test if you didnt feel desperate. You simply wanted those raccoons gone!.. You wanted your problem fixed! He said he was the guy. He said only he could fix it! So you let this guy into your home and he starts the job. A few hours later, you notice a strange odor. You holler down to the basement and he shouts back up that everything is fine, that its flowers, and your nose is fooling you. Next thing you know, your neighbor, who youve had problems with, is texting you and telling you that Trump Exterminator has gone bankrupt 4 times, doesnt pay their own bills, and the guy doesnt work so much as he watches Fox News and plays golf. What the hell? He said he was the best! And what the hell is that smell? You decide to go to the basement. Still raccoons there, but now there are skunks, too! Trump brought them over from his best buddy Putins basement! You didnt think anything could be worse than raccoons, but now youve got skunks!
You wanted Trump because you mistook crudity for authenticity. Because you thought success on a TV boardroom setting was the same thing as real-life success. You didnt realize that crooked real estate tax cheats suck worse than politicians suck, that Trump is more two-faced and gutless than any politician, especially when sucking up to dictators. You thought this country became weak and bankrupt, but now our enemies are really making fun of us as we tucked tail and ran from Turkeys border and abandoned allies. You thought we were being invaded by illegals, but it was all exaggerated. You didnt see that we are becoming a nation of victims where every Chad, Suzie, and Nazi Bob have privilege but aspire to victimhood, with a President propping up white supremacists to where we don't even recognize the country we were born and raised in. "AND YOU JUST WANTED IT FIXED.. And Trump is the only guy who was willing to tell you exactly what you wanted to hear, and you drank it in.
You voted for a man who has Russian money pushing him wherever Putin wants, a man who doesn't have a conscience restraining him. You all know now that he has been not been very successful but inherited his wealth, hes a terrible negotiator, he has built a lot of nothing and stuck his name on other peoples work, and he's also NOT a politician, NOT a cowardly politician, hes actually worse than any of them! And he says he'll fix it, but how long will you believe him because he is too much of an egotist to admit hes wrong, or care if hes looked at and called a liar? You wanted raccoons out, but now youve got skunks, too. When will you believe your own damn nose instead of letting Fox News tell you that its roses?!?
You are welcome to copy/paste/share this. The more people get this message, maybe a few can admit they messed up royally, and will understand why Trump has to go. The raccoons were bad, but Trump made it worse!!
rainy
(6,090 posts)Tennessee Hillbilly
(587 posts)this comes down to racism.
It's interesting that raccoons are used to describe the problem, because "coons" is an old southern word for Negroes.
There are two basic reasons why many of these people voted for Trump:
1.They liked his racism
2. They liked to listen to his lies about Clinton and Obama.
Skittles
(153,150 posts)that's all it is - and the word "ILLEGALS" gives it away too - when you value the status of papers over the welfare of human beings, you're RACIST
coti
(4,612 posts)Not to mention giving credit to Trump for having accomplished some kind of vague positivity for the country, when in reality he hasn't "done" shit, and what he has has only done damage.
nini
(16,672 posts)You should do the same.. life is so much nice without them.
dustyscamp
(2,224 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)What is this? This is clearly about racism and nothing else. This is so stupid I don't even know where to start to unpack it. Jesus fucking christ!
I can't believe this shit. I really can't.
OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)This rhetorical argument seeks to suppress voting imho
Its Botherism
Hope it backfires & suppresses the Right Wing vote
Squinch
(50,949 posts)Dear FB poster, This is you:
HOW I FEEL ABOUT HITLER
You've been on vacation for two weeks, you come home, and your basement is infested with raccoons.. Hundreds of rabid, messy, mean raccoons have overtaken your basement.. You want them gone immediately!.. You call the city and 4 different exterminators, but nobody can handle the job.. But there is this one guy, and he guarantees to get rid of them, so you hire him.. You don't care if the guy smells, you don't care if the guy swears, you don't care if he's an alcoholic, you don't care how many times he's been married, you don't care if he has a plumber's crack, you simply want those raccoons gone!.. You want your problem fixed!.. He's the guy.. He's the best!
Here's why we want Hitler: Yes, he's a bit of a jerk; Yes, he's an egomaniac; but we don't care!.. The country is a mess because politicians suck, the Weimar can be two-faced and gutless, and Jews are everywhere.. We want it all fixed!.. We don't care that Hitler is crude, we don't care that he takes children from their parents, we don't care that he lies, we don't care that our neighbors are disappearing and there is a funny smell in the air. This country became weak and bankrupt, our enemies were making fun of us, we are being invaded by illegals, we are becoming a nation of victims where every Tom, Schlomo and Gypsy Pete is a special group with special rights to a point where we don't even recognize the country we were born and raised in; "AND WE JUST WANT IT FIXED.. And Hitler is the only guy who seems to understand what the people want..
We're sick of politicians, sick of the rest of Europe making fun of us, sick of the Jewish bankers!.. We just want this thing fixed.. Hitler may not be a Saint, but we didnt vote for a Pope.. We voted for a man who doesn't have aristocrats' money holding him back, a man who doesn't have political correctness restraining him.. We all know that he has been very successful, hes a good negotiator, he has built a lot of things, and he's also NOT a politician, NOT a cowardly politician.!.. And he says he'll fix it.. And we believe him because he is too much of an egotist to be proven wrong, or looked at and called a liar.. Also, we don't care if the guy has bad hair and a weird mustache.. We just want those raccoons gone, out of our house, NOW!!!
Also, FB poster, you are a complete patsy if you think the carnival barker is actually going to do any of the things you want him to do.
rainy
(6,090 posts)Thanks for posting it. The fb post got to me and I wanted to be able to cleverly counter it!