Do people have a problem with "lock him up" chants?

[JonLP24]

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There has been a lot of hand wringing over "lock him up" chants at a World Series & at a rally and they try to compare it to"lock her up" over e-mails. I think Trump committed real serious crimes so the chants are fair and I think based on the Mueller investigation a sitting President cannot be indicted so if he were a private citizen he could be indicted for the crimes he committed in office. Thoughts?

[NewJeffCT]

1. it's turning the words of an authoritarian

back in his face.

[JonLP24]

3. I agree

[mindem]

5. Agree

[Bettie]

24. Yes it is

So, I care less about it than I would about it being done to anyone else.

[doc03]

2. No what comes around goes around. nt

[OnDoutside]

4. As the saying goes, don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Democrats had to take it for

years, nice to be able to give some back.

[Moostache]

6. The only grievance I have is that it didn't start in 2015 on that damn escalator...

He is a criminal piece of shit and ANYTHING that makes him mad is A-OK in my book...I'm tired of playing by rules and norms against people who have neither...

[LanternWaste]

7. Not at all. I think it's Juvenalian Satire rather than a literal sentiment.

Rather than possessing the subtlety of Horatian Satire (e.g., Mark Twain or Jonathon Swift), Juvenalian Satire is much more sarcastic, abrasive and obvious in its method.

Though there is an underlying current that idiot tRump should eventually be in jail, my guess is that the 'lock him up' chants are simply turning the mirror of his idiot base back into their faces in such a way as to illustrate them as incompetent, and holding others to a much higher standard than they hold themselves to.

His idiot spelunker-base will of course take it literal, but the targets of satire are by definition idiots, and their reaction is part of fun.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. In an ideal world such things would never happen, but IMO

fans chanting it at a sports event is fundamentally different from a president or presidential candidate or his supporters (e.g., Michael Flynn) using or encouraging it. When Trump and his minions did it, it was chilling because we had a president implicitly threatening to prosecute a political rival for no reason other than their opposition. The Nats fans, on the other hand, were just turning it around on him - either for the irony or because Trump actually has committed crimes that deserve incarceration.

[JonLP24]

11. There were "lock him up" chants at a Bernie & Ilhan Omar rally

Not sure if they encouraged it. I mention world series to avoid it becoming a primaries thread.

'Lock him up' chants break out at Sanders rally

The Hill
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/campaign/468799-lock-him-up-chants-break-out-at-sanders-rally%3famp

[Chemisse]

34. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that.

While I do believe the creature does need to be locked up, and I have no problem with spontaneous chants breaking out at sporting events, I'm not so sure Dems should be encouraging demonstrations of that kind of primal anger at presidential rallies. Our side should be about being uplifted, not wallowing in the muck.

[jcgoldie]

9. Yes obviously he is a criminal and she is not

But by mirroring those chants you simply feed the he said she said narrative and the premise that is essential to Trumpism that there is no objective truth only warring opinions.

[Blue_Tires]

10. Fuck 'em... Seriously...

If they were silent in 2016, anybody who has a problem now can go straight to hell.

[Vogon_Glory]

12. The pearl-clutchers and the "what-about" pundits might

I don’t. My reserves of sympathy for the Trumpies fee-fees were exausted a couple of years ago.

LOCK HIM UP!

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[SixString]

13. Only if it happens at a Sanders rally.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287334579

But if it happens at a World Series game, it's all jake.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212629298

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017557334

Double standard, ya know.

[airmid]

26. Standard fair....

[MrsCoffee]

29. Coming from the general public, it won't be waved off as extremists at a political event.

Trump’s lock her up chanting was actually recycled from Manafort’s Ukrainian campaign to install Putin’s puppet.

I wouldn’t want my campaign associated with any of that. Especially if my campaign also had ties to Tad Devine who worked with Manafort on said Orange Revolution in Ukraine.

A little more on the history and it’s parallel ‘s to Trump and Hillary:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/30/1711184/-The-Ukrainian-Origins-of-LOCK-HER-UP

[JonLP24]

31. Ilhan Omar & Bernie Sanders supporters are not extremists

The mainstream US Republican party is as far right as those far right fringe parties in Europe. They are the extremists.

We are all on the same side against Trump whether it is fans at a World Series game or at a rally.

Devine was a witness for the prosecution and he worked for other Democrats. His campaign team is much better & diverse than last time but not any less hated.

[MrsCoffee]

33. I'm not saying they are.

But the media will brush it off as opposed to it coming from the general public.

To your last point, his team may be more diversified this time around, but it appears to include quite a few Jill Stein supporters. They weren’t on our side the last time we were up against Trump.

Just sayin....

[ooky]

14. I don't. nt

[Stinky The Clown]

15. Re HRC, you said: "I think Trump committed far more serious crimes"

I don't think you intended the implication, but for the record, Hillary Clinton did not commit a single crime, Flynn's "Lock Her Up!" bullshit notwithstanding.

[JonLP24]

18. I edited a word to give it a different meaning

Thanks for the heads up.

[Stinky The Clown]

19. Its all good!

As I said, I didn't think the wording had any malintent.

[Leith]

16. I don't see a problem

It's fun to slap them in their faces with their own words, especially since IQ45 has committed crimes worth incarceration, unlike any of his imagined political rivals.

[UniteFightBack]

17. I would maybe have a problem with it if it were not TRUE. nt

[oswaldactedalone]

20. "Lock Him Up!"

Say it as often as you can. That orange magat deserves whatever hell is rained down on him.

[GulfCoast66]

21. Ideally, I think the idea of suggesting locking up political opponents is abhorrent.

And if members of the Democratic Party starting it would go ape shit against.

But that horse has left the barn door. They need too feel the shoe on their foot. I would chant it if at a rally where it seemed appropriate.

However, I still don’t want to see our leaders encouraging it and will respect those who try to squelch it. That does not mean that I do not want the justice department looking into Trumps dealings if we win in 2020. But frankly would not be pissed if Biden or Warren called off the Justice Department and let New York handle it. I know others will disagree. Of course neither would get involved because that would violate our traditions. They would stay out of it as would any political appointee of a Democratic Administration.

[NCLefty]

22. This guy is actually a criminal, so it's not hyperbolic to say it. But no, it's not a step forward..

When do Republicans ever give those to the world?

[HAB911]

23. Not me. "Lock the asshole up" might be better

maybe not as catchy

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

25. Not me

Cheetolini started this shit. Let him taste his own medicine.

[azureblue]

27. I do

It's not loud enough.....

[riversedge]

28. #1

[grumpyduck]

30. In this specific case, no problem.

[DeminPennswoods]

32. Not in the least

and, FTR, protestors were outside the WH chanting "jail to the chief" during Watergate. Perhaps doing that instead would calm the critics.