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DU Poll: Should anonymous book writer stay anonymous? (Original Post) BigmanPigman Nov 2019 OP
Other. Yes, until Trump is out of power. Marie Marie Nov 2019 #1
Deep throat?:) True Blue American Nov 2019 #3
Trump can not attack her/ him! True Blue American Nov 2019 #2
until they appear at impeachment hearings. mopinko Nov 2019 #4
I voted other which is more of a yes, but... califootman Nov 2019 #5
According to publisher: "donating any royalties to nonprofit organizations that focus on...." pat_k Nov 2019 #10
I think it will drive the con batshit crazy not knowing who is outing him so I say stay behind the KewlKat Nov 2019 #6
He's going to stroke out after this SonofDonald Nov 2019 #11
That's up to anonymous. Flaleftist Nov 2019 #7
For safety of self and family -- Yes pat_k Nov 2019 #8
Agree Demobrat Nov 2019 #15
It depends if corruption is involved Quixote1818 Nov 2019 #9
If the writer defended southern border policies of scaring immigrants and separating families, greyl Nov 2019 #12
If you vote "NO", you're asking this person to willingly risk his life. eppur_se_muova Nov 2019 #13
There is a legal whistleblower avenue that would protect this person's identity. meadowlander Nov 2019 #18
"Likely because ..." Well, you must know something about his situation that I don't. eppur_se_muova Nov 2019 #22
I work in public service. That's what you sign up for. meadowlander Nov 2019 #24
That's what people signed up for *before* tRump threw out all the rules of the game. eppur_se_muova Nov 2019 #26
Oklahoma City Bombing was 24 years ago. meadowlander Nov 2019 #28
But people risk their lives every day for a greater good, greyl Nov 2019 #19
Not getting shot by a crazed tRump-Humper is part of my self-interest too, so I'm biased. eppur_se_muova Nov 2019 #20
True, but yard signs and bumper stickers puts us at that risk. greyl Nov 2019 #21
ORLY ? eppur_se_muova Nov 2019 #23
Yes, RLY. A parade of people are testifying publicly. greyl Nov 2019 #25
According to their own good judgement, as is their right. eppur_se_muova Nov 2019 #27
Not sure how we can know "good judgement" is involved with this person. greyl Nov 2019 #29
Maybe Hannity or Alex Jones will try to out them. tenderfoot Nov 2019 #14
If "I'm the adult in the room" was his excuse to stay and his message now is "That's not enough" meadowlander Nov 2019 #16
Absolutely yes. If this person is found out, Trump will retaliate viciously. Eugene Nov 2019 #17
Entirely up to the writer. moondust Nov 2019 #30
I can't imagine anyone taking very seriously a book written by nobody. patricia92243 Nov 2019 #31
Should we remain anonymous? Kaleva Nov 2019 #32
Trump's cult is dangerous. I can not deny to "anonymous" the same protections I demand for the hlthe2b Nov 2019 #33
While I think they should come out into the open Maeve Nov 2019 #34
I think "Anonymous" is still working in Baked Potato Nov 2019 #35

califootman

(120 posts)
5. I voted other which is more of a yes, but...
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 12:29 AM
Nov 2019

If the author remains anonymous, s/he should donate all profits from book sales to charity.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
10. According to publisher: "donating any royalties to nonprofit organizations that focus on...."
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 12:43 AM
Nov 2019

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/22/books/anonymous-op-ed-trump-book.html

In a news release announcing the book, the publisher said that the author did not receive an advance, and would be donating any royalties to nonprofit organizations that focus on government accountability and press freedom.

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
6. I think it will drive the con batshit crazy not knowing who is outing him so I say stay behind the
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 12:30 AM
Nov 2019

curtain.

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
11. He's going to stroke out after this
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 12:44 AM
Nov 2019

Can you even imagine the tweets that are on the way?

He's probably already started

Priceless

Demobrat

(8,957 posts)
15. Agree
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 12:52 AM
Nov 2019

As much as I would love to know, that person would be as good as dead if Dumpster’s goons knew.

Quixote1818

(28,918 posts)
9. It depends if corruption is involved
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 12:41 AM
Nov 2019

They sign a contract but if someone is corrupt I really don't have a problem with them coming out of the shadows.

greyl

(22,990 posts)
12. If the writer defended southern border policies of scaring immigrants and separating families,
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 12:49 AM
Nov 2019

which can be inferred to be so from the released excerpts, Kirstjen should come forward now.

This is totally different from the whistleblower issue. The writer and their comrades are still accomplices, and the whistleblower took real action.

eppur_se_muova

(36,247 posts)
13. If you vote "NO", you're asking this person to willingly risk his life.
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 12:50 AM
Nov 2019

When 45 goes down, his rabid supporters will want vengeance. And they won't forget a grudge.

meadowlander

(4,387 posts)
18. There is a legal whistleblower avenue that would protect this person's identity.
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 12:59 AM
Nov 2019

They are choosing not to use that route (likely because they know that they also have criminal liability).

Taking pot shots with an anonymous book doesn't cut it. If he or she genuinely believes that our democracy and that human lives are stake then they have a duty to do everything in their power to stop Trump. Writing this book isn't going to stop Trump. Testifying to the impeachment committee will.

eppur_se_muova

(36,247 posts)
22. "Likely because ..." Well, you must know something about his situation that I don't.
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 01:07 AM
Nov 2019

So I guess you're in a position to advise him to go ahead and risk not just his career but his life. Don't underestimate the craziness that would be unleashed on this guy. Remember tRump-humpers are routinely phoning in death threats to Dems they don't like, and not even trying to cover their tracks.

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Oh, yeah, other stuff too.

Nice of you to be so brave on his behalf.

meadowlander

(4,387 posts)
24. I work in public service. That's what you sign up for.
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 01:12 AM
Nov 2019

I go in to work every day to an office where we routinely get death threats and bomb threats.

Marie Yovanovich showed up for her hearing. Bill Taylor showed up for his hearing. Alexander Vindman showed up for his hearing.

That's literally the job that you are being paid to do and which you took an oath to do - "defend the Constitution".

If you're too chickenshit to do it, you should resign and let someone who it prepared to take their responsibilities seriously have the job instead.

eppur_se_muova

(36,247 posts)
26. That's what people signed up for *before* tRump threw out all the rules of the game.
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 01:23 AM
Nov 2019

You're saying anyone who walks into a public building has only themselves to blame if the building burns down and kills them, because they chose to enter. If they knew a deranged arsonist was planning to burn the building to the ground at the exact time they were about to enter it, then I'd say, yeah, that would be accepting the danger, knowing realistically what that danger was.

People didn't go into government work expecting that the POTUS was going to personally, specifically, target them for revenge and physically endanger their lives by provoking the crazies. At least they didn't, before they found out just how horrible 45 really is. But we've seen too many examples now not to know better.

Having someone change all the rules on you is "chickenshit". Being the victim of that is not.

meadowlander

(4,387 posts)
28. Oklahoma City Bombing was 24 years ago.
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 01:31 AM
Nov 2019

There have always been nut jobs. There's not a single person working in public service who doesn't know and accept that before they take the job. And if, by some miracle, they didn't the active shooter drills and bomb threat lockdowns and evacuations would wise them up pretty quick.

It doesn't change the fact that this person took a fundamental oath and that they are accepting a salary to do a job that they are not actually doing.

There is a legal whistleblower process that would protect this person's identity that they are not using, choosing instead to publish cryptic anonymous bullshit that can't be used in the impeachment hearing. That is the very definition of chickenshit.

greyl

(22,990 posts)
19. But people risk their lives every day for a greater good,
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 12:59 AM
Nov 2019

or to help a being less fortunate than they. In contrast with the whistleblower, this writer is withholding details in order to serve their own self-interest.

eppur_se_muova

(36,247 posts)
20. Not getting shot by a crazed tRump-Humper is part of my self-interest too, so I'm biased.
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 01:01 AM
Nov 2019

But it's real fine of you to volunteer someone else to make the sacrifice.

greyl

(22,990 posts)
21. True, but yard signs and bumper stickers puts us at that risk.
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 01:06 AM
Nov 2019

But F being afraid, do the right thing. Easy to say as a spectator, I know, but aren't we all spectating a parade of people going public about the horrors in our White House?

This shit is serious, and I don't have sympathy for the anonymous writer. As I alluded to above, they agreed with Trump's policies.

Edit, to clarify: I'd prefer the writer come out on their own, and am much less in favor of them being outed by someone else. Undecided on that detail.

eppur_se_muova

(36,247 posts)
23. ORLY ?
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 01:11 AM
Nov 2019

Because those two things are, like, totally comparable. I mean, both get your name reported in the national news where anyone, anywhere, can look it up anytime they want, even 30 years after the fact, and result in finding your name on a "hit" list run by crazies. That's why I'm scared shitless to put up yard signs.

I wouldn't volunteer someone else to bear witnees against 45 and his minions any more than I would volunteer to send them into armed combat with no backup.

eppur_se_muova

(36,247 posts)
27. According to their own good judgement, as is their right.
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 01:26 AM
Nov 2019

I'm sure they would return your admiration, for your own heroism.

No smiley. You figure out how it's meant.

greyl

(22,990 posts)
29. Not sure how we can know "good judgement" is involved with this person.
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 01:32 AM
Nov 2019
They agreed with Trump's policies.

meadowlander

(4,387 posts)
16. If "I'm the adult in the room" was his excuse to stay and his message now is "That's not enough"
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 12:55 AM
Nov 2019

then he needs to get the fuck out and start dedicating himself full time to getting Trump out of office.

moondust

(19,956 posts)
30. Entirely up to the writer.
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 02:12 AM
Nov 2019

If they want to risk looking out their front window one day and seeing a Cesar Sayoc van parked across the street then go for it.

patricia92243

(12,591 posts)
31. I can't imagine anyone taking very seriously a book written by nobody.
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 04:34 AM
Nov 2019

we need to know for sure the author has more insight than has already been said by other people.

hlthe2b

(102,107 posts)
33. Trump's cult is dangerous. I can not deny to "anonymous" the same protections I demand for the
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 08:22 AM
Nov 2019

whistleblower--even IF they are on the political "inside" and not a career civil service employee. Like "DEEP THROAT" I expect we will eventually know, but I have to be consistent.

That said, the real heroes and heroines are these workers who are giving up their security (both career and personal safety) to come out publicly. They are the ones who will truly be remembered and rightfully lauded.

Maeve

(42,269 posts)
34. While I think they should come out into the open
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 09:28 AM
Nov 2019

I also think that they have the right to stay masked...for now. They write "Nor am I unprepared to attach my name to criticism of President Trump. I may do so, in due course."

Patience

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
35. I think "Anonymous" is still working in
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 09:38 AM
Nov 2019

The White House, very close to Trump and may move up in the Staff. If the name comes out, it would end a career and an avenue of Trump intel. Should stay anonymous.

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