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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHillary was "the will of the people" in 2016
by 3 million votes! So the GOP needs to just shut the fuck up about overturning that bogus election.
hadEnuf
(2,172 posts)Botany
(70,442 posts)And don't forget part 2 ... all those states that Hillary winning in the exit polls too.
Donald Trump did not win the election even w/the electoral college he was installed
by Russia.
* https://thinkprogress.org/states-purged-16-million-voters-from-the-rolls-before-the-2016-election-1c5688dcaad7/
it was stolen. But even by the tainted numbers, the majority did not vote for him.
Botany
(70,442 posts)Russia was into the voter d-bases in Wisconsin down to the county level. BTW The Russians
needed inside help in order to know where to "rat fuck" to elections.
https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2017/01/23/russians-suspected-hacking-local-dems/96965824/
StevieM
(10,500 posts)That was his election, from start to finish.
if they had announced the Russia probe, instead of the laptop bullshit. Hillary would be President.
triron
(21,984 posts)pandr32
(11,548 posts)This needs to be brought up repeatedly.
Mike Nelson
(9,942 posts)... to hear the constant drumbeat of "The American people..." from media. The latest is about impeachment... They say "Impeachment reverses the will of the American people." WRONG! The will of the American people was already reversed. Say it reverses the "election" to be correct, since Crooked Donald was elected. But he was not the the vote winner. Hillary Clinton was the most popular candidate. Also, the polls were correct, withing the margin of error - they were not polling the Electoral Collage. All the time I hear the polls were wrong... no, they picked Al Gore and Hillary; they were correct.
Botany
(70,442 posts)n/t
triron
(21,984 posts)Botany
(70,442 posts)The last real exit poll had the vote something like
Males: 49% Kerry. 48.5% Bush
Females. 51% Kerry. 47% Bush
It was so God Damn dirty it was not funny.
MH1
(17,573 posts)or Oklahoma.
(not until we get rid of the Electoral College anyway)
Seriously, you are 100% correct but I hope in 2020 Dem strategy is based on the rules that ARE, not the rules that should be. (I know that isn't the point of your post, but to some extent we can point to this as part of the problem in 2016, IMO)
edhopper
(33,467 posts)did not anticipate they would steal WI and MI from her.
it was close enough to steal and she went to CA to boost her pop vote so she wouldn't be accused of winning illegitimately if she lost the popular vote. (so a theory goes, anyway, and I lean toward it somewhat)
News flash: no way in hell a Dem wins the electoral college and loses the popular vote, in the current political climate. No Dem candidate should EVER worry about that.
Meanwhile if candidate is only ahead by a few percentage points in a swing state with lots of EC votes, better do whatever it takes to shore up that front. Because the GOP WILL try to steal it. (campaign should consider who holds said state's row offices too, in assessing risk)
Initech
(100,029 posts)They are the majority!!!! And they are enacting some tyrant level policies with this administration.
unblock
(52,113 posts)So it really has nothing at all to do with "overturning an election", a concept that, of course, no republican even remotely thought of when they impeached bill Clinton.
triron
(21,984 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)everything they have. I think their only limits are what they personally can get away with. A big terrorist attack next summer or fall would help them.
That said, with less than a year of the term to go and with control of the senate, I'm wondering if circumstances might develop that could cause them to let Speaker Pelosi take office and somehow use that as a springboard for a turnaround in 2020.
Whatever, it's ALL about keeping and growing power for them.
kentuck
(111,051 posts)Good point!