Ohio House passes bill allowing student answers to be scientifically wrong

[dixiegrrrrl]

as long as the reasoning is because of their religious beliefs.

The Ohio House on Wednesday passed the "Student Religious Liberties Act."
Under the law, students can't be penalized if their work is scientifically wrong as long as the reasoning is because of their religious beliefs.

Instead, students are graded on substance and relevance.

Every Republican in the House supported the bill. It now moves to the Republican-controlled Senate.

https://local12.com/news/local/ohio-house-passes-bill-allowing-student-answers-to-be-scientifically-wrong-due-to-religion

[sakabatou]

1. Ugh...

[TheBlackAdder]

74. Boy, that's really going to reek havoc with astronomy and sex ed courses.

[Binkie The Clown]

2. Gravity doesn't exist because

Flying Spaghetti Monster couldn't fly if it did.

[mercuryblues]

60. I once told a holy Roller

who mocked Darwin's theory on evolution that using their standards, gravity doesn't exist. It's just God putting his hand on everyone's head to keep us from floating away. The people who go missing and never seen again, well God's hand slipped off. Shut her up real fast.

[dixiegrrrrl]

66. I love it!!!!

Very clever.

[Poiuyt]

3. I have a degree in chemistry from an Ohio university

My professors would have loved me if I answered, "Because that's what God wanted."

[lame54]

47. I would put that for every answer i didn't know

[lpbk2713]

4. I wonder if they considered this would have to apply to Satanists as well.

This should be interesting.

[dameatball]

5. Sad. Outrageous. I don't know the words anymore. Sending this to my daughter, a FL science teacher

Thankfully there are more like her out there.

[Cattledog]

6. Insane! You would think it was 1919

[rzemanfl]

8. 1419. n/t

[Garrett78]

7. Jesus H Christ on a stick

[mr_lebowski]

9. This is going to backfire massively ... so there's that (nt)

[Hermit-The-Prog]

10. next bill: declare pi is exactly 3.0 so math is easier

[keithbvadu2]

12. Doesn't the Bible already 'prove' that?

Doesn't the Bible already 'prove' that?

[Hermit-The-Prog]

13. Indiana Pi Bill of 1897

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill

The Indiana Pi Bill is the popular name for bill #246 of the 1897 sitting of the Indiana General Assembly, one of the most notorious attempts to establish mathematical truth by legislative fiat. Despite its name, the main result claimed by the bill is a method to square the circle, rather than to establish a certain value for the mathematical constant π, the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter. The bill, written by the crank Edward J. Goodwin, does imply various incorrect values of π, such as 3.2.[1] The bill never became law, due to the intervention of Professor C. A. Waldo of Purdue University, who happened to be present in the legislature on the day it went up for a vote.

[bobbieinok]

29. My mom said MO legislature tried this in 30s when she was at the U. Also

Students claimed people in MO were being warned that the Univ students 'matriculated---boys and girls together!'

[Igel]

33. My high school taught that g, the acceleration gravity on Earth produces, was 10 m/s/s.

Because 9.8 was too hard for the kids to use in their calculators.

[hunter]

45. 10 m/s/s is fine for most things so long as you know why.

I'm married to a woman who has occasionally taught medical statistics. Near everything in medicine is rougher than that.

What's a normal human body temperature?

300000 km/s works for the speed of light as well.

And 355/113 is a damn good fraction for pi if 22/7 or 5/16 isn't good enough.

[Cha]

54. lol

[lindysalsagal]

11. Unbelievable.

Deliberate stupid ness.

[Bob Loblaw]

14. Dammit, we're NEVER gonna get the metric system

[catrose]

40. I was told in elementary school that we would any day now...many decades ago

Now the rest of the effing world (mostly) is on metric, but us? Nah.

[stopbush]

15. So tired of the fucking Christians foisting their fucking make believe on society.

[C_U_L8R]

16. I am a god therefore I deserve an A

Trumpus in extremis

[dem4decades]

17. So Ohio State won't have any native Ohioans any more?

[Lars39]

50. And graduates won't be hired in other states.

[Pluvious]

18. Why do we always have to be the stupid country ? n/t

[Celerity]

20. the predominance of religion nt

[stopdiggin]

55. yeah. kind of hate to say this

but this is just belligerent stupidity on the part of the "religionists"
Christians .. you know I love you, but .. you OWN this sh*t.

Ain't nobody else out there tryin' to make stupidity a constitutionally protected right.

[Initech]

19. Sigh... this is why we can't have nice things.

[Hortensis]

21. Okay. As long as their records designate them as given

the religious liberties dispensation. Punt it to colleges and employers.

Most grads forget by far most of what they learned but don't want to believe, or just weren't interested in anyway, and sub in what they want to believe. We see that in intellectually untethered people all around us, personality the biggest culprit.

Fundamentalist religion adds yet another big barrier to learning. It's likely that removing resentment and lessening dissonance could increase acceptance of other new information. I've heard that here in Georgia, if a teacher says something that conflicts with fundamentalist ideology, the slamming shut of minds is practically audible. Some of these kids really are taught to be very careful because Satan and his demons are hunting souls, in colleges especially.

[catrose]

41. Right. They have a religious diploma, which means they don't know s**t about the real world.

[Hortensis]

51. Yes. That's like a lot of standard grads, though. I remember

two tall, beautiful, blonde, new HS grads back in California, obviously from prosperous middle class homes in their affluent community, who a TV journalist sandbagged after the graduation ceremony by asking them how many senators each state sent to DC. Neither had the slightest idea and were happy and charming as they laughingly admitted it without any real embarrassment.

We raised our kids in California. They were taught "civics" starting in elementary school and continuing in junior high (middle school) and again in high school. Pretty sure those two girls' problem came from their parents, who lead them to believe this stuff didn't matter.

We really need to do much better, of course, and our nation actually has a very serious literacy/semiliteracy problem. I have great sympathy for earnest educators in this anti-knowledge era. Last time we took a grandson to a science museum, it was featuring a fantasy theme of dragons and warlocks. Given what's happening, I was really upset to see the throwback to pre-reason thinking even there. Our DIL, as a mother up over her eyebrows in today's children's fantasy, didn't even notice the anti-science, anti-knowledge theme until I pointed it out.

[catrose]

62. Truly appalling

[dixiegrrrrl]

67. I am imagining the results of college entry tests

Say, in law school?

Worse yet, the medical school entrance exams.

actually, we can sort of see the results already. Remember Jerry Falwell's Liberty University has graduated a lot of lawyers, and some of them are working in the WH now, under trump.
Which explains why he keeps losing his court cases.

Which we must be grateful for.

[Hortensis]

69. For sure. Trump has an honorary law degree from Liberty.

I heard that its ranking, already close to the bottom, immediately hit bottom in response.

I've read that the law school was founded, hardly alone in this purpose, to fundamentally alter American thinking, in law and otherwise. Ambitious, except that almost all our higher institutions have been infiltrated/subverted by influx of big money to teach conservative ideas, many in econ, law, etc., that were previously not accepted as valid. These last 40 years of the conservative era have created a real mess to undo.

[smirkymonkey]

22. What?!

Honestly, what is wrong with that state?

[Ohiogal]

27. Ohio is ridiculously gerrymandered

So that’s why we end up with these disgraceful nut bags in power. It sucks.

[smirkymonkey]

34. So sorry to hear that.

Hope you guys can vote the bastards out in 2020!

[Ohiogal]

44. Not that we don't have our share

Of imbeciles here ... but remember the Supreme Court sanctioned voter purge as well ....there are way more Democrats here than is represented in the state legislature. We need to re-draw the districts and we need to get out and vote. If Kentucky can do it.....

[True Blue American]

52. You said it!

That is why we have Jordan and many just like him thanks to John Boehner, our state drunk.

Starting in the next census we have a Committee that is supposed to be unbiased.

Republicans passed that because they were afraid Democrats would win.

[ProudLib72]

23. "Substance and relevance" will get them... hopefully

I wish there was such a thing as no religion in the classroom.

[BuffaloJackalope]

24. Precede every answer with "The Bible says..."

Great recipe to become a 3rd world religious dictatorship in a couple generations.

[rurallib]

25. Next: Cubits return as a valid measurement

Can't wait to watch the SAT scores nosedive.

[Ohiogal]

28. When that bridge collapses

that was designed by a straight A engineer who decided to measure everything in cubits because God told him to ....

[Alithea]

31. This!

[True Blue American]

53. This one?

Last time I had to visit Covington for a wedding it was the worst nightmare of a maze I have ever seen! I was happy it was not me driving. The GPS was turn here,turn here. I lost count.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Spence_Bridge

[Ohiogal]

63. Oy vey!

That looks like a nightmare, indeed!

[catrose]

42. Would you have to file for a religious exemption on the SAT?

[Skittles]

26. ridiculous

[KY_EnviroGuy]

30. I have a question for Ohio.

Which of thousands of theologians will be qualified to validate the answers, and from which sects?

(crickets)

KY...........

[muntrv]

32. Will medical school students be allowed to answer with "faith heal?"

[ChoppinBroccoli]

38. Better Hope Your Doctor Doesn't Believe That Sickness Is Caused By Demons Living In Your Head

Because under this law, that answer is JUST AS VALID as real, science-based medical knowledge. I wish these religious wackos would find a new book.

[catrose]

43. As I told my son, the Bible wasn't written as science or history...run from anyone who thinks it was

[Garrett78]

35. How old is Earth? 6k yrs. How does evolution work? It doesn't. A+

[Leith]

36. Then... are they going to say that NASA was unnecessary?

Because Mohammed flew to the moon on the back of a winged horse. So that's all that's necessary.

That'll go over well, don'tcha think?

[ChoppinBroccoli]

37. My Religion Says That The Answer To Every Mathematical Equation Is 5

I'm going to major in mathematics, graduate summa cum laude, get a PhD in mathematics, and maybe even win a Nobel Prize, simply by writing 5 over and over again.

Talk about snowflakes who can't handle being told they're wrong. This sounds an awful lot like a participation trophy to me.

[jberryhill]

58. No, it's 4. Die Heretic!

My religion requires we eliminate the number 5 heresy, so I will be exempt from punishment for killing you.

[ProfessorGAC]

71. And I Thought You 2 Were Smart

Everyone knows the correct answer to everything is 6!

[flying rabbit]

39. America has jumped the shark.

Again. Make it stop.

[hunter]

46. As the child of a religiously insane mom, and having a formal education in evolutionary biology...

... I could answer these questions either way.

This tends to upset certain Christians.

[onenote]

48. Having read the provision in question, I think the descriptions of it are not accurate.

This is what it says: A school shall not "prohibit a student from engaging in religious expression in the
completion of homework, artwork, or other written or oral assignments. Assignment grades and scores shall be calculated
using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance, including any legitimate pedagogical concerns, and shall not
penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a student's work."

As I read it, it says that a student that includes religious expression in their coursework can't be penalized OR rewarded for having done so and that the student's work will be judged on substance and relevance including legitimate pedagogical concerns.

In other words, the substance of the work still has to be correct, and the inclusion of extraneous religious content will neither earn the student any bonus points or cause them to be penalize.

[stopdiggin]

56. thanks. that provides a bit of clarification

but then .. I'd also be inclined to point out that the law would appear to provide a remedy .. for a problem that rarely if ever presents itself.

(in other words .. show me the legions of schoolteachers who are currently engaged in blackballing and downgrading the inclusion of religious content in papers and course work.)

[onenote]

57. true

[jberryhill]

59. Do you mean a sensational news item is less so upon actually looking at the facts?

Well, I never.

[yortsed snacilbuper]

49. Ohio's race to the bottom.

[Garrett78]

65. Missouri, in which I was born and raised, used to be the bellwether of all bellwethers. Ohio may...

...be going the way of Missouri, unfortunately.

[Mendocino]

61. We use to think that it was

demonic possession or witchcraft. No longer, it's caused by an imbalance of bodily humors, caused by toad or a small dwarf living in her belly.

[roamer65]

64. Michigan needs to build a wall on the border with Ohio.

It would help keep the stupid out.

We should tax all Ohioans coming into MI and use it for free, on demand abortions for their residents coming north to get them.

[llmart]

72. Hey, now.

I'm from Ohio and moved to Michigan. I know you're being facetious, but I have to say that you have a fair amount of your own stupid here in Michigan, especially "up North".

[DFW]

68. Sounds like a great place to pay taxes

My religious beliefs say that my calculations of my income and the worth of my house are zero. Therefore, I am exempt from all Ohio state taxes. Now all I have to do is get Portman to introduce a similar bill in the U.S. Senate so I don't have to pay and federal taxes either........

[Mr. Sparkle]

70. Is that Ohio Afghanistan or Ohio in the great lakes region?

if the former, i didnt realize the taliban had an international out reach program.

[Mc Mike]

73. Nothing in the bible about gravity, professor egghead.

Here's to hoping all the repuglinazi christians ignore gravity, in real life.