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milestogo

(16,829 posts)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 02:50 AM Nov 2019

So Ambassador Sondland set his phone on speakerphone and laid it on the table at the restaurant

in Wherever, Ukraine while he was having a conversation with Trump. (And not only did all the staff at the table hear the conversation, probably the waitstaff and other people in the restaurant heard it too.)

How else do you overhear a conversation on somebody else's smartphone?

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So Ambassador Sondland set his phone on speakerphone and laid it on the table at the restaurant (Original Post) milestogo Nov 2019 OP
Amature hour... comradebillyboy Nov 2019 #1
+1000 sinkingfeeling Nov 2019 #5
Trump is probably deaf and shouts all the time... Wounded Bear Nov 2019 #2
showing off Skittles Nov 2019 #3
It is like they were actively trying to help hostile nations' spying efforts... RockRaven Nov 2019 #4
is this being reported? stopdiggin Nov 2019 #6
Its MSNBC speculation as to how two people report having heard this conversation. milestogo Nov 2019 #12
Someone just said Trump was talking loud enough to hear. Hortensis Nov 2019 #7
this reeks of ignorance -- both Sondland and Trump Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #9
This is what happens when you sell ambassadorships to the highest bidder Takket Nov 2019 #10
Could this be a default backchannel to Putin, in place of Hortensis Nov 2019 #13
Just read this canetoad Nov 2019 #8
No doubt waiters around the planet could confirm that. Hortensis Nov 2019 #14
I'm sure it was John Miller or John Barron on the other end of bullwinkle428 Nov 2019 #15
When my husband talks to his brother on the I-phone blueinredohio Nov 2019 #11
That's so rude. Kid Berwyn Nov 2019 #16

RockRaven

(14,958 posts)
4. It is like they were actively trying to help hostile nations' spying efforts...
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 03:29 AM
Nov 2019

They could not have done more if they sat down and tried to plan it out.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. Someone just said Trump was talking loud enough to hear.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 04:44 AM
Nov 2019

We all sometimes hear the other side of conversations others are having, and of course a voice that sounded like his would grab attention.

Of more interest is that the call took place in the restaurant at all, but typical Sondland idiocy that's come back to bite him. Big, perjury time. This revelation came AFTER he "remembered" and was allowed to amend his testimony.

From the AP:

“Obviously, making a phone call from Kyiv to the president of the United States means that not just the Russian intelligence services will be on the call, but a whole lot of other people, too,” McFaul said. “If it was that important, he (Sondland) could have easily gotten up from the restaurant, gone to the embassy and made a secure call through the White House operations center.”

Steven Pifer, who served as U.S. ambassador to Ukraine from 1998 to 2000, said he always assumed his cellphone calls were being monitored and would not discuss anything sensitive unless he was on a secure phone at the embassy or his residence.

In a closed-door hearing last month, former White House Russia adviser Fiona Hill said she was concerned that Sondland posed a counterintelligence risk ... Hill cited a Sondland habit of giving out personal cellphone numbers — hers and national security adviser John Bolton’s as well as his own — and his failure to get appropriately briefed ahead of meetings.

“So he was often meeting with people he had no information about,” said Hill, who served as the senior director for Russia at the National Security Council. “It’s like basically driving along with no guardrails and no GPS on an unfamiliar territory.”

She said Sondland was meeting with foreign officials “that we had derogatory information on that he shouldn’t have been meeting with” or he was giving out his phone number or texting foreign officials. “All of those communications could have been exfiltrated by the Russians very easily,” she said.

Hill said officials from Europe would literally appear at the gates of the White House and call her personal phone, which was kept in a lockbox. She said she’d later find messages from irate officials who’d been told by Sondland that they were supposed to meet with her.


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Hermit-The-Prog

(33,321 posts)
9. this reeks of ignorance -- both Sondland and Trump
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 07:16 AM
Nov 2019

Ok, maybe it's massive ignorance sprinkled with globs of arrogance. They appear to believe themselves too big and important to be bothered with protocols and briefings by the little people.

Takket

(21,556 posts)
10. This is what happens when you sell ambassadorships to the highest bidder
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 07:23 AM
Nov 2019

Instead of, you know, people who are qualified.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. Could this be a default backchannel to Putin, in place of
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 09:35 AM
Nov 2019

the one Donnie Jr. wasn't able to set out out of Russia's DC embassy?

Of course, Trump selects only the "very best people" from among the depraved and dysfunctional actors drawn to his power. That crowd must be a smorgasbord for criminal psychologists.

canetoad

(17,150 posts)
8. Just read this
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 05:13 AM
Nov 2019

snip....

Yesterday, however, William Taylor testified that a member of his staff heard Sondland, in Kiev on a cell phone, speaking with President Trump, and that Trump asked about Ukraine opening “investigations.” After the call, Sondland told the staffer, David Holmes, that Trump’s highest priority in Ukraine was securing an investigation of the Bidens. Today, the Associated Press reports a second staffer, Suriya Jayanti, also heard the call.

It turned out this plan had a fatal flaw. Trump speaks very, very loudly and is also irresponsibly lax about operational security. Reporters who have previously experienced Trump phone calls confirmed that his voice is distinctly audible to people standing several feet away from the recipient of his call:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/11/staffer-heard-trump-phone-call-taylor-ukraine-hearsay-impeachment.html

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
11. When my husband talks to his brother on the I-phone
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 07:55 AM
Nov 2019

I can hear both sides of the conversation just like they're in the room talking and I'm probably 7 or 8 feet away.

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