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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMeet a new verb: To be ELECTORALCOLLEGED. And adjective: Electoralcolleged presidents.
The war against the Electoral College has been and is going to continue to be long and very difficult. We're at a massive disadvantage. We shoud take, or create, any edge we can get.
It would serve our long-term interests to choose to start differentiating wherever possible between presidents who win both the Electoral College and the public's vote, and those who attain office by winning 270 or more Electoral College electors' votes but lose the American public's vote.
I do this, by speaking of the latter as electoralcolleged presidents.
I CHOOSE to not speak or write of them as "elected" but as something a little more descriptive.
Yes, legal scolds and didacts, I know that a grossly undemocratic and destructive section of the Constitution means that merely being electoralcolleged president, under law, constitutes being elected president.
Again, this is a choice. I choose to verbify a noun into what is to me a more descriptive and useful way to refer to certain men's ascendancy into the presidency.
Words matter. Nouns get drafted into acting as verbs and adjectives all the time. New words, conjoingings, and new uses for old words get started and take root weekly, it seems. To my ears the nation is long overdue for starting to regularly make this important distinction. We've just needed an easy way. This can be it.
If the asshats on the other side can choose to refer to the Democratic Party as the "Democrat Party," I can choose to refer to Bush II and their abomination presently desecrating the Oval Office as having been electoralcolleged into it.
Extra special bonus that comes with using this word!!! :
Think how it will enrage Trump if he starts hearing (or, less likely, since he doesn't: reads) himself being referred to as "electoralcolleged" where previously "elected" is what he'd heard. And hears discussion about the odds of "re-electoralcolleging" him, where he'd previously heard "re-electing."
Putin's Special Agent Orange, our infantile Flamethrower-In-Chief, will go apeshit if electoralcolleged becomes common parlance for Americans' (Democrats' first, of course) differentiation between presidents' avenues into office. I'd want to see this term catch on if only for the fun of that alone.
Snackshack
(2,541 posts)There is a big difference between a truly elected president and an appointed president. Personally I would like to see the EC be done away with or at the very least either require EC votes go to the candidates that won the state or balance the amount of EC votes for all the states.
As to your post I see no reason why there should not be an indicator for historical reasons denoting that a candidate lost the popular vote but was appointed to the presidency by the EC. Kind of like the indicator on the NYT best seller list for books that get 1st place because of bulk purchases of the book.
ECd for the shorthand version.
Scotch-Irish
(464 posts)I'm already on board. I like it.
SuprstitionAintthWay
(386 posts)And our one president statedelegated into office by the House of Representatives was John Quincy Adams.
The popular vote wasn't even recorded until 1824. Ironically, the candidate eventually chosen to be president lost it that very year. I initially listed J.Q.Adams as being the first electoralcolleged president with the below (source: Wikipedia)
John Quincy Adams - 1824.
Lost the vote by 39,000 to Andrew Jackson.
Only 18 states even held votes of their citizens. In 6 other states the legislatures decided. Jackson got more EC votes than Adams as well, but not a majority. After considerable political maneuvering the House chose Adams, awarding him 13 out of 25 state delegations. Jackson regarded the outcome as so corrupt that he quit the Senate, and he and his supporters created the "modern" Democratic Party, out of/inspired by Jefferson and Madison's Democratic-Republican Party.
But JQAdams wasn't electoralcolleged president: Jackson got more EC electors' votes than Adams did. So I edited him off what was an initial list of five. John Quincy Adams was his own unique thing: he was statedelegated into the White House by the House of Representatives.
AMERICA'S FOUR ELECTORALCOLLEGED PRESIDENTS
1. Rutherford B. Hayes, 1876.
Lost the vote by 254,000 to Samuel Tilden.
2. Benjamin Harrison, 1888.
Lost the vote by 91,000 to Grover Cleveland.
3. George W. Bush, 2000.
Lost the vote by 544,000 to Al Gore.
4. Donald J. Trump, 2016.
Lost the vote by 2,869,000 to Hillary Clinton.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_elections_in_which_the_winner_lost_the_popular_vote
There is concern among some analysts that in 2020 Trump could lose the vote by more than 5,000,000 and still get the 269 EC votes he needs to stay in power. He doesn't even need 270. A 269-269 tie goes to the House, but the vote there is not 1 representative, 1 vote. It's 1 state, 1 vote. Republicans, while a minority in the House, control more state delegations there -- an echo of the problem with the EC itself.
Initech
(100,063 posts)SuprstitionAintthWay
(386 posts)The damage done by the 2 electoralcolleged presidents already this century.
With very real danger ahead of even more of them.
Initech
(100,063 posts)I'm sure that the sick fucks on the right already have champagne on ice for when RGB dies or retires. Because they are that insane.