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triron

(21,984 posts)
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 06:14 PM Nov 2019

Treason.

In "The Plot to Betray America" Nance writes that Professor Laurence Tribe "assumes conspiring with
foreign adversaries and domestic accomplices to defraud the American people should constitute a
clear case for treason".

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MyOwnPeace

(16,919 posts)
4. Scalia and his band of idiots
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 08:36 PM
Nov 2019

would say that if the "original founders" had a problem with any "cyber" stuff they would have put it in the Constitution!

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
10. YES! +1000
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 08:56 PM
Nov 2019

My hubs, a former federal employee, has been saying this for years. He truly thinks the U.S. has better computer expertise and cybersecurity than Russia and that we can and should take down their whole cyber infrastructure! We need to bring Russia/Putin's gov't. to its knees before they do this to us, because they have already shown their malicious intent in so many ways.

And we absolutely must stay on our toes with China who are actually more of a potential threat. But they are into more industrial espionage. (And they target government labs as well.)
Russia doesn't have have China's expertise, thankgoodness.


Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
2. He placed his personal interests above the security interests
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 06:17 PM
Nov 2019

of the United States. He is making us less safe every day. He needs to be impeached and investigated for treason.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
9. He's a Russian agent. Every decision he makes in foreign policy benefits Russia and weakens the US.
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 08:51 PM
Nov 2019

That's the message that everyone needs to hear.

totodeinhere

(13,056 posts)
14. And a lot of his supporters know that and they don't care.
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 09:06 PM
Nov 2019

And the Republicans in Congress who are defending him know that and they don't care either. And if Russian election interference is what it takes to keep them in power they are fine with it.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
5. Absolutely!👍 True!
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 08:38 PM
Nov 2019

Thanks. Not that our Dem lawmakers will pursue this but, all the same, this thread needs more attention.

CloudWatcher

(1,845 posts)
11. Putin's puppet
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 09:01 PM
Nov 2019

Every action Trump has taken has been to Russia's advantage.

It occurred to me why the EU ambassador is in the Ukraine bribery scandal ... it's because his job was to be sure Ukraine did not join the EU (only 1/2 kidding). How better to keep it out of the EU than to make sure it's as corrupt as possible?

Trump -- working every day to make the world safe for corruption and dictators.

gab13by13

(21,264 posts)
15. I too have been calling it treason.
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 09:06 PM
Nov 2019

He certainly fits the dictionary definition of treason if not the criminal definition.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
18. "Americans have forgotten what 'treason' actually means -- and how it can be abused"
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 09:12 PM
Nov 2019
Among other things, the mere existence of this question underscores the need for a long overdue moratorium on the blithe characterization of things as “treason”— and for all of us to be far more careful when using that term to describe conduct that we believe is some combination of reprehensible, criminal and perhaps even impeachable.

Treasonous acts may be criminal, but criminal acts are almost never treason. As Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution specifies, “Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.” The Founders went out of their way to define treason narrowly because they knew how it had been repeatedly abused in the past.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/americans-have-forgotten-what-treason-actually-means-how-it-can-ncna848651

Ford_Prefect

(7,872 posts)
19. If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck...U.S. Code  2381:Treason.
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 09:13 PM
Nov 2019

IMO it is clear and present in his actions, prevarications and policies. (italics by me)

U.S. Code § 2381.Treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381#

triron

(21,984 posts)
20. Yes. The 'declared war' (shooting) bs is way obsolete. How could the founders have anticipated
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 11:48 AM
Nov 2019

cyberwar?

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