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Upthevibe

(8,015 posts)
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:19 PM Nov 2019

A quote from author John le Carre...

I don't know anything about him but I'm watching the show Sunday Morning and I love what he just said (in the context of his opposition to Brexit as he ties it in with his new book):

"The difference between patriotism and nationalism is a patriot can criticize his country, stay with it, and go through the democratic process. A nationalist needs an enemy.

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A quote from author John le Carre... (Original Post) Upthevibe Nov 2019 OP
Saw that. trof Nov 2019 #1
My favorite author grantcart Nov 2019 #2
I just watched the old BBC TV series of Tinker Tailor MaryMagdaline Nov 2019 #3
For the "umpteenth" time last night ewagner Nov 2019 #10
Yes! I watched Smiley's people, too MaryMagdaline Nov 2019 #12
+1000 ewagner Nov 2019 #13
I used to read all his books. murielm99 Nov 2019 #5
He has another one coming out soon grantcart Nov 2019 #6
I like Sir Alex Guiness as Smiley... ewagner Nov 2019 #11
Rupert Davies Harker Nov 2019 #17
Agree about Cyril Cusack.... ewagner Nov 2019 #19
"Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy" ...is that a stand-alone novel? (*answered*) Iggo Nov 2019 #9
TTSS is part of the "Karla Trilogy" which is a fictional shadow grantcart Nov 2019 #15
Thanks for that! Iggo Nov 2019 #16
That's really the best way to appreciate ewagner Nov 2019 #18
That's right on. lunatica Nov 2019 #4
"A nationalist needs an enemy." saidsimplesimon Nov 2019 #7
That's the key to the quote Martin Eden Nov 2019 #14
Oooooh, good quote! calimary Nov 2019 #8
60 Minutes (Morly Shaeffer) did a special on him about two years ago. Blue_true Nov 2019 #20
The Difference markbark Nov 2019 #21
Wow, that quote is so spot on! Thanks! (Hate to say it but it needs a graphic (a meme)). . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #22
Watching now on Amazon Prine "the Night Manager". Fla Dem Nov 2019 #23

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
2. My favorite author
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:45 PM
Nov 2019

Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy is the greatest book re the cold war.

I will paraphrase another great quote

"And just like those who are fed up with it and aren't going to take it anymore he lined up for another helping by the populist conman"

MaryMagdaline

(6,851 posts)
3. I just watched the old BBC TV series of Tinker Tailor
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:56 PM
Nov 2019

It’s on YouTube. Better than the recent movie with Gary Oldman, but that was also good.

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
10. For the "umpteenth" time last night
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 04:33 PM
Nov 2019

I started watching the BBC version of SMILEY'S PEOPLE!

In significant ways Tinker Tailor and Smiley's People are relevant to what we as a nation are now experiencing...

p.s. I equate Putin with Karla....bigtime!!!

MaryMagdaline

(6,851 posts)
12. Yes! I watched Smiley's people, too
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 04:37 PM
Nov 2019

Putin is a perfect Karla (except putin would never sacrifice himself for his daughter or anyone else and Karla was an honest communist. I don’t think he’d enrich himself at the expense of Mother Russia).

Loved those series I only just found them on YouTube last month. Had not seen them since they were on PBS in late 70’s, early 80’s.

murielm99

(30,717 posts)
5. I used to read all his books.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 03:01 PM
Nov 2019

I have not done that in recent years. There is no particular reason for that.

I liked Smiley.

Le Carre had a background in the spying business himself.

Harker

(13,985 posts)
17. Rupert Davies
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 05:34 PM
Nov 2019

was appropriately almost invisible in a small, but important, Smiley appearance in "The Spy Who Came in from the Cold."

Cyril Cusack, as Control, was mesmerizing. Great cast, overall. Martin Ritt might never have pulled off a masterpiece, but he made some really good movies.

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
19. Agree about Cyril Cusack....
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 07:36 PM
Nov 2019

I didn't realize Martin Ritt also did Hud and Hemmingway's "Advertures of a Young Man"..the later was filmed in Mellen, Wisconsin which (it is said) was the most depressing town he could find....

Iggo

(47,535 posts)
9. "Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy" ...is that a stand-alone novel? (*answered*)
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 04:25 PM
Nov 2019

Never mind, I just looked it up.

Seems I've got my reading list filled up for the next year...lol.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
15. TTSS is part of the "Karla Trilogy" which is a fictional shadow
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 05:23 PM
Nov 2019

Of Soviet infiltration of British intelligence.

I would suggest you start with "The Spy Who Came in from the Cold" first.

You can even watch the great movie version starring Richard Burton.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
4. That's right on.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:59 PM
Nov 2019

Nationalism is jingoism.

The rest of us love our country, but we respect and like other countries and cultures so we welcome immigrants and feel pride in our ethnic and racial differences. We see ourselves as diverse, and more than that, as stronger because of that diversity.

Nationalists just hate every bit of that with all their beings. Plus, they contribute nothing to our country except hatred.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
20. 60 Minutes (Morly Shaeffer) did a special on him about two years ago.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 10:05 PM
Nov 2019

He explained how and why he wrote his first book, "The Spy that came in from the cold" or something like that, he also explained why he took a penname. He actually worked in Intelligence as an analyst. He seemed to be a pretty thoughtful and down to earth person, he loaths Trump.

markbark

(1,557 posts)
21. The Difference
Mon Nov 18, 2019, 08:36 AM
Nov 2019

Between Patriotism and Nationalism is the difference between loving your country and stalking it.

Fla Dem

(23,590 posts)
23. Watching now on Amazon Prine "the Night Manager".
Mon Nov 18, 2019, 11:01 AM
Nov 2019
The Night Manager is a British television serial directed by Susanne Bier and starring Tom Hiddleston, Hugh Laurie, Olivia Colman, David Harewood, Tom Hollander, and Elizabeth Debicki. It is based on the 1993 novel of the same name by John le Carré and adapted to the present day by David Farr.[1][2][3] The six-part series began broadcasting on BBC One on 21 February 2016. In the United States, it began on 19 April 2016 on AMC. It has been sold internationally by IMG to over 180 countries[4][5], and a second series has been commissioned by the BBC and AMC.[6] Scripting duties for the second series will be handled by Matthew Orton, Charles Cumming, Namsi Khan and Francesca Gardiner.[7]

The first series of The Night Manager was nominated for 36 awards and won 11, including two Emmy Awards for director Susanne Bier and music composer Victor Reyes[8] and three Golden Globes for Best Performance to Tom Hiddleston, Best Performance for an Actress in a Supporting Role to Olivia Colman, and Best Performance for a Supporting Actor for Hugh Laurie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_Manager_(TV_series)

So far very good. Question whether 2nd season will occur.
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