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Vindman Just Destroyed Trump's Ukraine Call Cover Story (Original Post) ffr Nov 2019 OP
K&R, MAGA Suckers will now claim Vidman is Clinton's brother ... they have nothing. uponit7771 Nov 2019 #1
Yep, they will claim he's not a loyal military professional bitterross Nov 2019 #3
They already have been trying to test him down kwijybo Nov 2019 #7
They never learned the lesson from Nuermberg. bitterross Nov 2019 #21
Yet on readout corruption policy was stated last words of last sentence "root out corruption" seems RestoreAmerica2020 Nov 2019 #2
AND it appears to be FALSIFYING evidence!! lastlib Nov 2019 #13
Adding it after the fact is like drawing on a hurricane chart with a Sharpie. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 2019 #25
Toobin says ReTHUG talking points were destroyed like crystals malaise Nov 2019 #4
And Williams outed Pence! True Blue American Nov 2019 #5
Yep malaise Nov 2019 #6
That's SNOWFLAKES disintergrating to YOU! rocktivity Nov 2019 #32
LOL malaise Nov 2019 #34
Vindman is The Closer. ancianita Nov 2019 #8
Get that man volstork Nov 2019 #15
I very much admire him. ReformedGOPer Nov 2019 #26
A TRUE volstork Nov 2019 #27
Hey, hey, wait just a gal-darned minute here Major Nikon Nov 2019 #9
So much pontificating. SCVDem Nov 2019 #10
That is all they have. Caliman73 Nov 2019 #12
Gym's been yammering on and on about Mueller etc. lagomorph777 Nov 2019 #20
Exactly. nt crickets Nov 2019 #23
Trump is known for having a notoriously short attention span except when it comes to bribery, Pepsidog Nov 2019 #11
You forgot young girls. LiberalFighter Nov 2019 #18
Yes that as well. Pepsidog Nov 2019 #22
This Vindman guy just can't stop... B Stieg Nov 2019 #14
We have them. They turn up when we need them. We have to make government ancianita Nov 2019 #16
Well said! Thanks! B Stieg Nov 2019 #17
"Right matters here." B Stieg Nov 2019 #19
That was my favorite moment. Gave me chills. nt crickets Nov 2019 #24
He was pretty wonderful. calimary Nov 2019 #28
Fighting corruption with corruption Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #29
k&r DesertRat Nov 2019 #30
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2019 #31
I read where Vindman needs security protection now gab13by13 Nov 2019 #33
 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
3. Yep, they will claim he's not a loyal military professional
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:19 PM
Nov 2019

They will continue to smear him. No doubt about that.

kwijybo

(225 posts)
7. They already have been trying to test him down
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:34 PM
Nov 2019

The RWNJ's have been going on that he's a spy, not loyal (gasp! He wasn't born here), shouldn't even be a soldier because (gasp) he looks overweight.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
21. They never learned the lesson from Nuermberg.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 02:57 PM
Nov 2019

Vindman is doing what so many soldiers didn't have the courage to do under the despot Hitler. He's a man who believes in his oath to the Constitution and knows illegal orders when he sees them. He knows Trump is a want-to-be despot and he knows when that despot does illegal things.

RestoreAmerica2020

(3,435 posts)
2. Yet on readout corruption policy was stated last words of last sentence "root out corruption" seems
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:08 PM
Nov 2019

Last edited Tue Nov 19, 2019, 02:36 PM - Edit history (1)

..to be added after the fact..yet, Lt. Col. Vidman mentioned that is standard procedure on readouts is a standard statement of foreign policy yet he iterated that odious traitor in WH [my moniker for guy in WH] never mentioned corruption in any of two calls in question. They've got nada!

lastlib

(23,191 posts)
13. AND it appears to be FALSIFYING evidence!!
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 01:21 PM
Nov 2019

Another crime , another basis for impeachment, if they want to push it.

25. Adding it after the fact is like drawing on a hurricane chart with a Sharpie.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 03:07 PM
Nov 2019

If you don't like the facts, change the facts.

It's the Trump approach to of life.

Fat Donnie probably paid (or promised to pay--they're still waiting for their money) someone to alter Eric's birth certificate to eliminate his name as father.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
9. Hey, hey, wait just a gal-darned minute here
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:51 PM
Nov 2019

The corruption theme was implied, even though Trump never once spoke of it which is totally different than the fake implied "quid-pro-quo" which was spoken about numerous times previously, given with a wink and a nod during the phone call, made a foreign policy priority by Trump himself, and even insured by his personal lawyer circumventing the entire State Department and palling around with the Ukrainian mafia who was working on behalf of the Russian mafia.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
10. So much pontificating.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 01:03 PM
Nov 2019

The witnesses just need to continue to ask,...

* Is there a question in there somewhere?

* What's you're point?

* I don't understand fast paced gibberish. Could you slow down and speak English?

They preach more than anything!

Caliman73

(11,726 posts)
12. That is all they have.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 01:15 PM
Nov 2019

There is the old legal proverb:

"If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither on your side, pound the table."

Republicans pound the table because they have neither facts, nor the law on their side.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
20. Gym's been yammering on and on about Mueller etc.
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 02:51 PM
Nov 2019

He doesn't understand, that for sane people, Trump's Ukraine behavior on Putin's behalf, proves that Mueller was absolutely understating the threat Trump poses.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
11. Trump is known for having a notoriously short attention span except when it comes to bribery,
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 01:06 PM
Nov 2019

extortion and other mafioso like shake downs. He pursues these fake Ukrainian conspiracy theories like a rabid dog.

B Stieg

(2,410 posts)
14. This Vindman guy just can't stop...
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 01:26 PM
Nov 2019

being heroic in the name of his country and Constitution.
We need more like him...

ancianita

(36,009 posts)
16. We have them. They turn up when we need them. We have to make government
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 01:58 PM
Nov 2019

work like it's supposed to, so that we don't need them.

This is a burdensome war of fascist insurgency against democracy, and our State Dept and Intel, full of great Americans, meet the call.

But we should never again allow bad government so often that it's their constant burden to come forward and make it right.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,986 posts)
29. Fighting corruption with corruption
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:39 PM
Nov 2019

Extortion and Bribery are obviously kinds of corruption, with Bribery even mentioned in the Constitution.

But we are told by tRump's defenders we should believe that he is fighting corruption around the world by extorting with taxpayer funded military aid and bribing with a meeting in the Oval Office.

It's that nonsensical.

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