Why the fuck wouldn't you wear your dress uniform when appearing before a congressional committee?

[mobeau69]

Gym Jordan could use some etiquette lessons from Lt. Col. Vindman.

[samnsara]

1. my gawd if thats all they have, then trump is toast...

[mobeau69]

3. LOL. Yep, they're down to nuttin'.

[grantcart]

28. Well they will soon be at "it wasn't quid pro quo" it was "squid for crow".

[gopiscrap]

2. I totally agree

[2naSalit]

4. As an active duty officer...

I think it's required dress when in such an environment, isn't it?

[crickets]

7. I thought so.

Can some of our military members weigh in on this? What's the protocol?

[TomSlick]

11. See #10 below.

[sacto95834]

68. If the West Wing got a fact correct...

Whenever the military is required to appear at the White House or Congress for meetings or to testify, it's required that they wear their dress attire. The episode I recall is when Sam asked somebody from the Navy about it and she told him it's required, hadn't he noticed before?

I just assume it was correct as whenever active military personnel appeared, they are always in dress attire. Retired military will wear civilian clothes - the example I recall is Oliver North.

[TomSlick]

14. See #10 below.

[RockRaven]

5. FFS, the only settings as formal as appearing in front of Congress would be

receiving a medal from the POTUS or a funeral.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

6. "Clearly, you should dress like a drunken insurance adjuster at the hotel bar during a convention."

"Like me, Jim Jordan."

[eppur_se_muova]

12. HA! Best response in thread ! nt

[Corgigal]

20. Damn, that's a visual.

One that I didn’t even want to imagine, but feels more honest then every GOP on TV this morning.

[hibbing]

32. Perfect, haha n/t

[diva77]

45. Gym Jordan's jacketlessness is his marketing tool - he has branded himself

cuz he has nothing of constructive substance to offer.

[Poiuyt]

57. To be honest, I'm just happy when Jordan is wearing pants

[COLGATE4]

63. I hear that's what lots of

Ohio State wrestlers said, too.

[MontanaMama]

60. DUzy.

[librechik]

8. yuck, that was disgusting--especially coming from that despicable chicken hawk

and abuser. Gym.

[captain queeg]

9. How low can they go?

Don’t worry they can always sink lower.

Of course he’d wear his uniform. Of course almost no republicans have served so how would the know.

[TomSlick]

10. The Army Blue Uniform is no longer referred to as a "dress" uniform.

It is now the ASU - Army Service Uniform. It is the only appropriate uniform under the circumstances.

[crickets]

16. Thank you for the clarification! nt

[Wellstone ruled]

19. Thanks man.

Thought that was the deal.

[2naSalit]

29. Thank you, I thought so.

I just recall when there were active duty personnel in the house, back then I was referred to as the dress uniform.

In the civilian services, the uniform I wore did have components of the uniform that are still referred to as "dress" uniform components, so I guess I was going by both for reference.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

13. Ollie North did

Why should the Army be any different?

[exboyfil]

15. Beat me to it

Did the Democrats criticize him at the time?

[crickets]

17. Ollie was in uniform while covering up for a Republican president.

There's the difference.

[doubleplusgood]

59. +1000

That was my first thought.

[rsdsharp]

23. No, North wore greens -- the Marine Service Uniform.

He did not wear Blue Dress.

[obamanut2012]

66. Vindman wore the Army equivalent of greens

The ASU, which he wore, replaced the Army Greens and Army Whites.

HE WORE THE ARMY SERVICE UNIFORM. Exactly what North wore, except for a different service.

So, you are 100% wrong.

[sarge43]

36. North wore the service uniform - the dark khaki

I remember it caused orgasms among the repugs.

[tenderfoot]

18. Because it's only okay when Ollie North does it...

[safeinOhio]

21. That was different? That was about

cocaine and guns.

[Backseat Driver]

65. And maybe even about stolen tweaked software that preceded

the drugs for guns operation, but that case got sort of sorted out in court(s). Dress robes(?) and footprints...

Long history reported in WIREd: Note a few familiar names? Uniformed Olly, late of the NRA; William Barr

https://www.wired.com/1993/01/inslaw/

[sarisataka]

46. That is not a dress uniform

It is the Service A uniform, not the dress blues.

At this time the army does not have an equivalent to the Marine uniform pictured.

The correct army uniform would be the blue ASU, which Lt Col Vindman wore

[Wounded Bear]

22. Military personnel don't wear civvies when on official duty...

[ancianita]

24. And when in their civilian clothes,they don't ever expect to be addressed by their military titles.

[usaf-vet]

25. The question comes from a chickenhawk?

[Moral Compass]

26. Did someone question why Lt. Colonel Vindman is in his dress blues?

It is required in this kind of setting.

He would be in violation if he appeared in anything else.

[Pacifist Patriot]

30. I was wondering the same thing. Surely no one questioned his appearing in ASU.

Well, no normal person anyway.

[BumRushDaShow]

33. Yes. It was Chris Stewart (R-UT)

Stewart was in the Airforce and wanted to add all kinds of bullshit crap into the hearing about what he thinks the Army policy is.

[Whiskeytide]

38. An Army private humps a 25 lb pack 50 miles and says ...

...”I hate this shit”. A Marine humps a 50 lb pack 100 miles and says “I love this shit”. A Ranger humps a 100 lb pack 200 miles and says “Somebody’s gonna pay for this shit”. And an Air Force officer sits in his barracks and, when the cable goes out, says “What the Hell is this shit”?

Old saying my Navy dad use to tell me.

[BumRushDaShow]

40. ....

(my dad was in WW2 army and granddad in WW1 army)

[bluecollar2]

54. Navy officer says "I hate camping"... n/t

[Whiskeytide]

55. Ha. Dad left that one out. He WAS Navy. n/t

[bluecollar2]

61. So was I...

When I was considering enlisting I considered all 5 branches of service.

They were all in the same office so it was a pretty open discussion.

We all sat around bs' ing about all the various merits of each branch of the service.


Finally the Navy Recruiter asked me if I liked camping.

I told him I hated camping...

He told me...you might want to think about joining the Navy....the Army, Air force and Marines f***ing love camping.

The Coast Guard didn't have any openings at the time so my Navy enlistment was a done deal on the spot.

[Whiskeytide]

62. My dad enlisted the day after Pearl Harbor. He ...

... told me that when he went in, there was a line for the Army and a line for the Navy. The 3 other guys with him all went Army - being Alabama southerners and not really excited about boats. My dad, though, said he figured that in the Navy he would always have a bed to sleep in instead of a hole in the ground.

That was dad. Practical in all things.

[bluecollar2]

64. Sounds like it...

Good to meet you

[sarge43]

39. Then Stewart must have been asleep during the OTS briefings.

That or he was doing the standard repug deflecting.

I'll go with deflecting.

[BumRushDaShow]

42. I think he was purposelly deflecting but he threw the military under the bus for it too

I am sure he is gonna get some major blowback.

[crickets]

47. As well he should. nt

[louis-t]

58. And of course, every freeper on the planet will

be repeating the criticism for the next week. Losers that they are.

[mercuryblues]

34. Yes

Link to tweet

Nunes also referred to him as Mr. Vindman. to which LT Col replied, “Ranking member, it’s Lieutenant Colonel Vindman please.”

[itcfish]

27. Too bad Lt. Col

Could not respond, Why are you not wearing a suit jacket like the rest of your colleagues?

[Recursion]

35. It's the "service" uniform, and it's the equivalent to business formal, i.e. a suit

It's also by the regulations the only uniform you are supposed to wear when speaking to Congress.

[sarge43]

41. Required when on any official government business unless ordered otherwise. n/t

[crickets]

48. I think that's the exact phrase that covers it. nt

[sarge43]

52. Thank you. That's how I heard it back in the Neolithic. Seems nothing has changed. n/t

[keithbvadu2]

37. Gym was just showing his disrespect as a loyal Trumpster would.

Gym was just showing his disrespect as a loyal Trumpster would.

[Raggaemon]

43. Oliver North

Go back in time when Oliver North, hardcore right-wing, NRA devotee, wore his dress uniform LONG after he was no longer serving, North's was a sham, it was a spectacle to the TV cameras, Vindman wore his military dress out of love and respect.

[LAS14]

44. Could someone explain what triggered this thread? The only hit I get in...

... Google News is for WaPo and that costs me money.

tia
las

[crickets]

49. During the hearings this morning, more than one Repub questioner

made snarky remarks to Lt Col Vindman about his appearing to testify in uniform, as though he were doing something he shouldn't or trying to get respect he didn't deserve. It was disgusting.

[LAS14]

50. Ughh! Thanks for the info.

[lapfog_1]

51. you are required to wear dress uniforms on the hill

and at the whitehouse if you are active duty military

[emmaverybo]

53. Those in the know say he wore his service, not dress, uniform.

[Wounded Bear]

56. Semantics. The point being that the Repubs were wrong to question it...

The colonel was properly attired for the official function he was appearing in.

[emmaverybo]

70. 100 percent wrong.

[TexasBushwhacker]

67. I wonder if Jordan has a sweating problem

It's just strange for a man to NEVER where a jacket.

[lame54]

69. Thank God he didn't wear a tan suit