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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm gonna tell you younger people something
During the Vietnam War, during Watergate, during the House Un-American Activities Committee, these Republicans were the same sniveling, sneering bunch of liars as they are now. Denials of the truth, telling lies right to your face, sneering at the opposition was all de riguer in those days as it is now.
Fuck these assholes: they deserve to lay for all eternity in burning coffins writhing and screaming in pain.
Im so fucking mad I could spit
DBoon
(22,340 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,470 posts)In the middle of one his "evil Democrat" rants.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,470 posts)If you refute one Faux News talking point, they just move to the next or engage in whataboutism. Never do they question, "what Faux News told me wasn't true- maybe shouldn't always trust them". That, or they just Don't care because winning at any costs is most important.
The Mouth
(3,145 posts)There's no way to counter the 6 hours of rapid fire lies they listen to every day in a 15 minute conversation even if they are being polite or paying attention.
ancianita
(35,932 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)ancianita
(35,932 posts)ancianita
(35,932 posts)Contempt for the old can come out in lots of ways, which I accept.
Yet when it comes to warning the young about the dangers of not taking serious governmental corruption seriously, the phrase seems spitefully know-it-all more than jokey.
Yet boomers have witnessed so much that informs the possible futures of the young.
Unless they know better than so many others, what informs their futures.
If so, they could at least offer come clues.
Just sayin'.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)It to belittle older folks it is just plain mean. I have seen it on here were people are joking with one another, that's seems fine.
ancianita
(35,932 posts)in characterizing the Republicans back in boomer days.
I can also buy into the idea that the worst of them poisoned GOP politics to the level we're seeing today.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)the_sly_pig
(740 posts)As a first year GenX I remember sitting in 8th grade Biology in 1979 and thinking the trajectory of global solutions would have our problems solved by the time I retired.
Health care, education, public safety and world safety for that matter, all solved. How naive I was. I listened to boomers wax nostalgic about the 6% raises that they were given annually, bragging about working half a day because they had two black russians with lunch, smoking cigarettes at their desks, describing the low cost of a college education and the low cost of housing. I now ask myself what changed? After all, my parents provided for a family of five on one middle-class income.
Where did all the money go? Who voted for all this garbage? Where is all the rage from the 1960's?
Did someone pull up the ladder behind them? Boomers were in charge during the transition from taxes subsidizing society to taxes subsidizing profit.
During our recent election where a school bond issue was on the ballot the loudest and most ill-informed were, of course, boomers. "I don't want the traffic near our house", "I don't want the increased tax", "My kids already graduated" they said. They didn't care about classroom size and they didn't care about improved security measures.
They complained about the $220 increase in annual local tax because their Social Security benefits weren't enough. Government is bad. Government is wasteful. You need to learn to live within your means, they wrote. The diseased irony oblivious to the posters.
To be absolutely clear, to describe all boomers as narcissists is both ignorant and perverse. However, the rest of us cannot be blamed for looking at the state of the world we've inherited and demanding an explanation from those responsible. I believe, right or wrong, the world boomers were given is vastly different than the one being handed to Millenials. And not for the better.
In 1977 I thought the future meant wealth would less important than people. I was wrong. And my cohort is, and always has been, irrelevant.
The Mouth
(3,145 posts)are condemned to repeat it.
And those of us who HAVE learned from the past are condemned to sit in agony as the people who didn't learn make all the same mistakes again
appalachiablue
(41,103 posts)The Mouth
(3,145 posts)Although we were probably more politically aware than most of our peers
paleotn
(17,881 posts)Until I finally learned how experienced and smart he really was. That's when I stopped making the same mistakes he made.
The Mouth
(3,145 posts)"Good decisions come from experience, and experience comes from mistakes", or some such.
sl8
(13,665 posts)Only half joking. The manner of delivery of comments like this seems to make all the difference.
Also, it turns out that my title is a misquote.
From http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2011/05/when-you-call-me-that-smile.html
This comes from a scene in which the Virginian is playing poker with the novels villain, a cowboy named Trampas. Heres the part that includes the famous warning:
It was now the Virginians turn to bet, or leave the game, and he did not speak at once.
Therefore Trampas spoke. Your bet, you son-of-a--.
The Virginians pistol came out, and his hand lay on the table, holding it unaimed. And with a voice as gentle as ever, the voice that sounded almost like a caress, but drawling a very little more than usual, so that there was almost a space between each word, he issued his orders to the man Trampas: When you call me that, SMILE. And he looked at Trampas across the table.
Yes, the voice was gentle. But in my ears it seemed as if somewhere the bell of death was ringing; and silence, like a stroke, fell on the large room.
[...]
greymattermom
(5,751 posts)that older folks know what it's like to be young, but younger folks have NO IDEA what it's like to be old. Usually there's no response. My youngest daughter thinks it's immoral to have children because we will all die in 20 years from global warming.
ancianita
(35,932 posts)My own son, age 32, won't marry or have children for the same reason.
Thanks for your thoughts.
tymorial
(3,433 posts)I am 42 as well. I am drawn to the micro generation idea for people our age... born on the cusp of Gen X and Millennials. Xennials, Oregon Trail Generation, Generation Catalano (by far the stupidest label), Carter babies.
Whether we are Gen X or Xennials... I suppose its how we feel and approach the world. Xennial traits and experiences are my own. The one thing we are not however are boomers lol
Celerity
(43,093 posts)aka Generation Catalano aka the Carter Babies
Generation Catalano
Were not Gen X. Were not Millennials.
https://slate.com/human-interest/2011/10/generation-catalano-the-generation-stuck-between-gen-x-and-the-millennials.html
I can relate as I am a 23yo Zennial (border Millennial/Gen Z'er) so also sorta not part of either Gens and yet part of both as well
https://theblacksheepagency.com/blog/a-note-from-a-zennial
should only be used on clueless boomers - what's wrong with him?
Duppers
(28,117 posts)Last edited Tue Nov 19, 2019, 07:20 PM - Edit history (1)
What was derogatory about the OP - except that he used the term "you" which is normally used to put folks down - as in "You ____ (whatever)."
I'm sensitive, to both here.
getagrip_already
(14,618 posts)Why don't you just put the n word in that statement?
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)to describe themselves for many years to a racial slur?
Ok, boomer.
getagrip_already
(14,618 posts)And there really isn't a distinction when it comes to levelsa of bigotry.
"Ok Boomer" is a dericive, dismissive term based in agism.
It isn't funny or cute.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Pro-tip: if its not describing you, its not aimed at you. #notallboomers
whathehell
(29,034 posts)we'll let the kiddies know...Until then, this boomer just laughs at them.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)whathehell
(29,034 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)whathehell
(29,034 posts)oldsoftie
(12,489 posts)I'm a boomer & i laugh at that. Its easy to dismiss. Not nearly the same for anyone calling black folks the damn N word
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)ancianita
(35,932 posts)the word hippie, it's becoming a pejorative.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)But until Gen Z started dismissing boomers with ok, Boomer, boomers called themselves such.
Polybius
(15,334 posts)Not Xers, Millennial's, or Z's. But X does sound the best. Not bragging or anything, but I'd love to be referred to as "OK Xer."
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)Not to be confused with the other b word.
ancianita
(35,932 posts)Captain Stern
(2,199 posts)oldsoftie
(12,489 posts)DBoon
(22,340 posts)I'm 63 years old
Blecht
(3,803 posts)whathehell
(29,034 posts)especially the Xers, who grew up in our shadow.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)It was clear to me.
This thread is hilarious.
maxsolomon
(33,244 posts)It's extra funny because D. Boon was a Boomer.
Mr.Bill
(24,238 posts)I'm not sure why that's funny, but it sure made me laugh!
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,955 posts)DBoon
(22,340 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)And the one who used it here is ::checks notes:: a boomer.
cate94
(2,808 posts)He is the only person Ive heard using this phrase. Meh. The ageism and divisiveness is not helpful. That is my point. No one likes being called names however benign.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)Those 4 years count, right?
deurbano
(2,894 posts)(Or perhaps, "Boy Toy."
DownriverDem
(6,226 posts)like a totally uninformed person. Not cute, just uninformed.
tenderfoot
(8,425 posts)Since he too is a boomer.
tymorial
(3,433 posts)One ought to compose the remarks in such a way as to make it obvious. That is not the case here and as a result Poe's law kicks in
tenderfoot
(8,425 posts)eom
DBoon
(22,340 posts)I never thought I'd have to explain something so obvious
tenderfoot
(8,425 posts)OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)NBachers
(17,081 posts)Randomthought
(834 posts)As a 70 year old life long liberal I find "OK boomer" very offensive.
hlthe2b
(102,119 posts)Since then there have been studies confirming the differences between people who are attracted to highly conservative views versus more liberal/progresssive.
This is on display today.
The Dean book to which I refer was "Conservatives Without Conscience"
Here is a short review of it from Amazon:
The roots of this authoritarianism are old. It's public debut as an essential characteristic of Republican politics happens during the Nixon presidency, matures during the Bush/Cheney years (when Dean wrote this volume), and comes roaring now out of the cave where Donald Trump was spawned. We should be alarmed. Very alarmed.
Dean's writing combines history (from the point of view of a political insider) and the science of psychology and may be more relevant today than it was a decade ago when it first came out.
alwaysinasnit
(5,059 posts)crickets
(25,952 posts)Response to PCIntern (Original post)
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cwydro
(51,308 posts)Too funny.
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cwydro
(51,308 posts)I thought you were saying this is much ado about nothing.
Perhaps I misunderstood. A thousand apologies.
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cwydro
(51,308 posts)It is as it ever was.
And will always be.
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whathehell
(29,034 posts)it's not three funny?...Just sayin'.
maxsolomon
(33,244 posts)So, infinite times.
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maxsolomon
(33,244 posts)As in, we will go through this an infinite number of times, because the Authoritarian impulse is eternal, and part of Human Nature.
Did I misunderstand? I'm a Boomer, after all...
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DENVERPOPS
(8,789 posts)I truly fear that this is the last time we will see this if they succeed.......
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Cosmocat
(14,558 posts)We lose far more ground than we can make up in between.
stopdiggin
(11,242 posts)what it means to be conservative (and Republican) has changed a LOT. (and that said by someone that didn't CARE much for a lot of them back in the 'good old days') But they didn't think truth was something that was just a temporary inconvenience. Stephen Miller wouldn't have gotten within five miles of the White House. And they would have jeered at your claim that the president was above the law. That, and a good deal more, force me to say .. THIS is a different breed of cat entirely.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)PCIntern
(25,479 posts)ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)What the "conservatives" had then that they do NOT have now, was an ability to fool people, without the scrutiny of 2019. They are the fathers and mothers of this current crop of assholes.
wryter2000
(46,023 posts)I remember one of them crying on tv because his President had "lied to me." This bunch knows Trump lies all the time, but how many would admit it? How many care?
I will agree there was McCarthy, but they learned something from that. And certainly, the Republican party at the time contained the roots of what we see now, esp. racism. But none of them would behaved the way Jordan does.
JudyM
(29,187 posts)KPN
(15,635 posts)These days, they don't care because they think they are winning (which they have been at least on the economic, climate and defense fronts) and about to actually win the domestic war they've been covertly, until now, waging against Democrats and genuine, functioning democracy.
JudyM
(29,187 posts)all the time because they can get away with it.
BigmanPigman
(51,567 posts)if they are reincarnated. I hope that if they are guarenteed to suffer in unimaginable pain that they will live to be 110 years old.
WyattKansas
(1,648 posts)That they and everybody who does others wrong are condemned to living their next life as the victims of what they themselves are guilty of doing to others... Without the illusion of time determining a past or present.
BigmanPigman
(51,567 posts)I'll ask Santa too.
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)ancianita
(35,932 posts)PCIntern
(25,479 posts)Watch YouTube Mccarthy hearings. Horrifying
Buns_of_Fire
(17,151 posts)The same Roy Cohn who was the orange skidmark's mentor.
SpankMe
(2,956 posts)1. Get off my lawn!
and
2. Don't get old. It sucks.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)On 13 October 1948, President Harry Truman made an appearance in St. Paul, Minnesota, stumping on behalf of both his own re-election campaign and a bid by the mayor of Minneapolis, fellow Democrat Hubert Humphrey, to land a seat in the U.S. Senate. During that appearance in St. Paul, President Truman delivered an address at the citys Municipal Auditorium which was carried on a nationwide radio broadcast and included the criticism of the Republican Party.
"Today the forces of liberalism face a crisis. The people of the United States must make a choice between two ways of living a decision which will affect us the rest of our lives and our children and our grandchildren after us.
On the other side, there is the Wall Street way of life and politics. Trust the leader! Let big business take care of prices and profits! Measure all things by money! That is the philosophy of the masters of the Republican Party.
Well, I have been studying the Republican Party for over 12 years at close hand in the Capital of the United States. And by this time, I have discovered where the Republicans stand on most of the major issues.
Since they wont tell you themselves, I am going to tell you.
They approve of the American farmer but they are willing to help him go broke.
They stand four-square for the American home but not for housing.
They are strong for labor but they are stronger for restricting labors rights.
They favor a minimum wage the smaller the minimum the better.
They indorse educational opportunity for all but they wont spend money for teachers or for schools.
They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine for people who can afford them.
They approve of Social Security benefits so much so that they took them away from almost a million people.
They believe in international trade so much so that they crippled our reciprocal trade program, and killed our International Wheat Agreement.
They favor the admission of displaced persons but only within shameful racial and religious limitations.
They consider electric power a great blessing but only when the private power companies get their rake-off.
They say TVA is wonderful but we ought never to try it again.
They condemn cruelly high prices but fight to the death every effort to bring them down.
They think the American standard of living is a fine thing so long as it doesnt spread to all the people.
And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it.
Now, my friends, that is the Wall Street Republican way of life. But there is another way there is another way the Democratic way, the way of the Democratic Party."
ancianita
(35,932 posts)appalachiablue
(41,103 posts)Cartoonist
(7,309 posts)calimary
(81,109 posts)I am seething with fury.
apnu
(8,749 posts)I was born in 1973, so I have no real context. For me, my political experience with Republicans as a party starts around 1980.
Harker
(13,976 posts)And they've been getting worse by leaps and bounds since then.
Caliman73
(11,725 posts)You and I were born in the same year. I had a visceral dislike of Ronald Reagan even as a child. A popular show where I was growing up was the Wally George show, some of the people I went to school liked it. I hated it because of the xenophobia and stupidity.
Reagan, Barr, GHW Bush, Oliver North, and John Poindexter sold missiles illegally to Iran to steal the 1980 election and funneled the money illegally to right wing death squads in Nicaragua to topple a duly elected left wing government. They were put on trial and several of Reagan's henchmen were convicted, but GHW Bush under Barr's guidance pardoned them placing them out of the reach of justice.
Republicans have been disgusting jerks for a long time with some notable exceptions.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)They are EVIL!!!
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)I agree 100%. I remember them well, and your description is absolutely spot-on. I often tell people who have been fooled into believing otherwise -- that noble republicans got Nixon out of office, for example -- to watch the House hearings on Watergate. Or the Senate Investigation, for that matter.
Thanks for this.
PCIntern
(25,479 posts)Ya had to be there!!!
😁and 🤬
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)discussing this general topic with my children, I told them that this crop of republicans is as similar to the 1960s - '70s as the dandelions from each era. When I see their and their friends' reactions to the obnoxious shit the current crop is doing, it reminds me of when I was young. The only difference is that the internet didn't exist then. But we had great underground newspapers.
bdamomma
(63,799 posts)seriously. All for themselves and not for the citizens of the country.
meadowlander
(4,388 posts)People like you make me feel so tired/ when will you die?
The really depressing thing is when they are in their 20s and 30s. Like who is raising these heartless idiots?
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)The Southern Baptist Church
McKim
(2,412 posts)Kudos to the writer of this original post. I agree, there is a thread of bad behavior by republicans that has been the same for many decades. Its important to remember historical facts. Now, please, do not bash boomers.
This is a way to divide us! As an aging boomer, I worked against the wars in Vietnam, Gulf, Iraq and a hypothetical war on Iran. I am probably to the left of most on this site and have given contributions to good candidates, had a fundraiser for our democratic senator last week, supported immigrants, given money to every good cause and I do not want to be bashed. Many old boomers have been upholding The Good for decades. I want a better future for young people who have really been given a raw deal! Lets work together!
ananda
(28,834 posts)Since the Great Depression, anyone who voted for a Reep
must have an economic death wish.
Loubee
(165 posts)I'm 71 years old--the only thing that's changed over time since Nixon is that there are fewer and fewer Republicans with any shame at all. The whole lot would kill their grannies and sell their children for money and power.
JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)erlewyne
(1,115 posts)LBJ got us into the Viet Nam War, he was a Democrat (Texas Oil).
I am a Viet Nam Vet and have never ever voted G.O.P. I served in 1968, I was drafted.
And as much as I loathe the G.O.P. I remember those miserable years, 67, 68, and
69. Viet Nam was an oil war. Only, there was no oil. It had promises (Shell got us there).
Every conflict we have since then is oil related,
soldierant
(6,791 posts)we were in Vietnam before LBJ.
But, regardless who got us there, it was wrong, yes.
erlewyne
(1,115 posts)We fought in Vietnam after LBJ was president. We (Army) were there for
Shell with the French already. The gulf of Tomkin was the key. It
was as fabricated as the Iraq War. The Vietnam crap was for rich
pockets (Oil). I was there in the infantry, this is not make-believe.
soldierant
(6,791 posts)I saw the Gulf of Tonkin as escalation of our presence rather than something new.
Either way, yes, it was fabricated, and all for oil and rich pockets - no quarrel there.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)History really matter?
Kid Berwyn
(14,795 posts)A life lesson from George Chapman:
Young men think old men are fools; but old men know young men are fools.
I remember the National Guard killings at Kent State and my good friends brother was dead in Vietnam. Nixon on the tee vee promised peace with honor. My other friends brother came back from Vietnam and told us it was all a big lie. This 15-year old was confused. And I grew up knowing many, if not most, of the bastards in charge were liars, crooks, murderers, and traitors.
The right wingers were wrong then and theyre wrong now. I dont blame the young people for being angry about todays state of affairs. The thing they might not have heard, we tried to do something about it and more than a few of us are still at it. We call it the Good Fight.
Hekate
(90,552 posts)Skittles
(153,111 posts)it's disgusting
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Some kind of profound inability to reflect on themselves, and a comfort with dishonesty that I dont understand.
Mopar151
(9,974 posts)It is a lot more comforting than reactionaries, fascists, or the various Neo-Orc movements "true lies"!
Liberalhammer
(576 posts)I'm off your lawn.
UpInArms
(51,280 posts)All of our lives ...I can only hope there are those who follow us who will continue the fight
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Some mythical pre-Trump party that wasn't harmful to people and planet.
Harker
(13,976 posts)walkingman
(7,580 posts)anytime soon. I continue to just hope that there are more good people than bad.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)What's a boomer to do?
Teach-only-love
(73 posts)I might have disagreed with them on many things, but they had some people of honor.
PCIntern
(25,479 posts)Sorry to say.
dweller
(23,613 posts)i recline on my side, and advise the whipersnapper " check me out with that when you're my age"
https://www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/evj98k/millennials-will-get-sick-and-die-faster-than-the-previous-generation
cough...
✌🏼
HAB911
(8,867 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)The product is quite visible for all to see, and it stinks.
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)Very few are trustworthy, we've seen that again and again.