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Ken Starr: GOP Senators Might Consider Having to Make a Trip to the White House After Sondlands TestimonyMoments before Wednesdays impeachment hearings and right after U.S. Ambassador to the EU Gordon Sondlands opening statement was released, Fox News contributor Ken Starr wondered aloud whether Sondland flipping on President Trump would cause GOP senators to push Trump to resign. The real issue is the senators are watching, Starr said. Are senators going to now say in light of what we hear today, its going to be a long day even with the ambassador alone, in light of what we have heard, We need to make a trip down to the White House? That historic example set during the Nixon presidency. From what Ive been able to glean I dont think thats going to happen. But obviously what happens today couldhas the potential to be a game-changer.
In his opening statement, Sondland claimed that Trump was seeking a quid pro quo with Ukraine in exchange for investigations into the presidents political rivals, adding that Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani was expressing the desires of Trump.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/ken-starr-suggests-on-fox-that-gop-senators-may-need-to-make-a-trip-to-white-house-after-sondland-testimony
bearsfootball516
(6,369 posts)Unless polls show approval swinging heavily against Trump in the Trump-loving red states, they won't push him out. It would be political suicide for him.
at140
(6,110 posts)the others will depend on how afraid they are of Trump's attacks.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,856 posts)PatSeg
(46,804 posts)I don't think anyone is going to fall for her "concern" again.
Cosmocat
(14,543 posts)the "base" is locked in at 85%+.
Over/under on R senators who might actually do something is 1 - Romney.
Wednesdays
(17,248 posts)They'll ratchet up the rhetoric for Faux Noise, that will be that.
bearsfootball516
(6,369 posts)As the testimony gets worse and worse, they'll go on Fox News and yell louder and louder.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,647 posts)I'm not optimistic that Rs will act honorably.
lastlib
(22,981 posts)It's all cooked up by Dems p/o'd about losing in 2016; they didn't get it done w/ Mueller, they're just taking a new tack w/ Ukraine. No, they'll ride the tRumpwagon to the end of the road. I'm convinced of it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Waning crescent moon -- they'll have to be careful sneaking up.
Cosmocat
(14,543 posts)these fuckers only know one thing - doubling down.
BEST we are going to get is some softly saying, "gee golly, this wasn't ideal, but simply does not rise to the level of impeachment, I mean, it isn't like he lied over a blowjob or anything ..."
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,355 posts)He may be right but the LAST person I want to hear from is Ken Starr TBH
catbyte
(34,170 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,355 posts)calimary
(80,699 posts)Botany
(70,291 posts)But this is a big change from Fox and no doubt they might be ready to jump ship.
This statement alone is very telling.
FakeNoose
(32,351 posts)The fact that they actually let him say it out loud, means the Faux Snooze folks are wondering too.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)...the "Barry Goldwater" delegation.
Turbineguy
(37,212 posts)Could cement his legacy by doing a Barry Goldwater.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)I am thinking of Romney in the same "Goldwater" delegation.
Wounded Bear
(58,440 posts)He could see this as an opportunity to really take over the Repub Party by staging a coup to oust McConnell and Trump.
Hopefully there will be some fireworks. The Repubs have had an unholy alliance between the Talibangelists and Wall Street for far too long. Would love to see them splinter.
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)...totally self-interested. He is, IMO, laying plans on a coup against Trump.
How ironic for the repukes...if there is a coup, is gonna come from one of their own.
mjvpi
(1,384 posts)What will come out of this is a Mitt Romney/Niki Hailey 2020 ticket.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)and the fundy segment of the GOP faithful will never let him get away with it. If Mittens managed to wrest the 2020 nomination away from their boy Pence, they will not vote for him in a general election.
NewJeffCT
(56,827 posts)he'd be seen as a Never Trumper - it would need to be Graham, Grassley or somebody high up in the GOP senate. Maybe even McConnell?
progressoid
(49,825 posts)His numbers went down with Repubs in Iowa. Trump's are still higher than his with repub voters in IA
Wawannabe
(5,580 posts)obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)IMO, Romney will do the payback. He is, I believe, a Mormon elder in a Mormon state. If he turns on Trump, IMO that Mormon state will turn and so will other Mormons.
IMO, the evangels -- the total gullible believers -- will stick with the lies as long as Trump remains anti-abortion and pro-religious rights against all those who evangels think are lesser creatures.
Captain Zero
(6,714 posts)FYI
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)Hamlette
(15,394 posts)while I agree Romney has the support of many mormons, there are some crazy pro Trump people here as well. Not all mormons will follow him.
Cosmocat
(14,543 posts)he embarrassed him with the kiss as dinner picture, and he can't hurt Mitt in Utah, so Mitt can be a pain in his ass.
Funtatlaguy
(10,856 posts)amb123
(1,576 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,230 posts)Who would have the least to lose in order to exert pressure on the President? This was not a factor in 1974.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,355 posts)The question is, who would McConnell ALLOW visit Trump (if he would allow anybody at all)?
Canoe52
(2,944 posts)Ruined peoples lives for no reason, he would have been one of those prosecutors in the Salem witch trials.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)still_one
(91,962 posts)llmart
(15,501 posts)it's going to be a very interesting Thanksgiving in many households across the US who have teabagger relatives.
SayItLoud
(1,696 posts)Perseus
(4,341 posts)"Flipping"..."treason against the president"...these people don't give crap about the rule of law, about the country, about truth, they are all cockroaches, they are the lowest human kind can produce.
The guy is telling the truth and they call it "flipping on the president". I think Sondland decided he is not going to jail for the bunch of crooks he decided to work with. One more thing about Sondland, he is not telling all of the truth, I think I would remember my conversations with Mulvaney if I had only had a few of conversations with him, there is not a lot to remember then. I wonder if he saw Al Gonzalez during GW and learned to say "I don't recall" from him. For a guy with such an important position he has very bad memory.
Rudy must be disbarred and taken to the nearest jail. I never believed the crap about "America's Mayor". Yes, maybe I am one of those people who believe in come conspiracies, but I have never believed "Rudy" to be a patriot, he like his daddy trump are self-serving assholes and they don't care about anyone or the country.
And...anyone who voted to get Nunes reelected should check their brains, they either don't have one or suffered some concussion at some point that its preventing them from doing useful analysis.
he is still very 45 and republican favorable in his testimony - he just has a lawyer who laid out how exposed he was and what he needed to clear up to avoid prosecution. Past that, he clearly is full on board with everything.
meadowlander
(4,358 posts)Traildogbob
(8,576 posts)They (GOP) give trump immunity to resign for medical reasons, blame dems for pushing into mental collapse, Pence will run with Nikki Halley on the 2020 ticket, Pence will Pardon all, Barr will remain the personal Presidents attorney, continue stuffing courts. That I can yell you. Believe me. Mike and Nikki, Gods next delivered prophets, and he will forgive trump as well. Franklin Graham and Jim Bakker will have praying rallies/revivals around the country to raise money and forgiveness for trump et all. They will also pray to destroy Satans Democrats
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rainin
(3,010 posts)Republicans don't think for themselves. They will support trump if Fox tells them to. If trump loses fox, he's done.
Marcuse
(7,397 posts)duforsure
(11,882 posts)As a lot more is exposed, many more republicans will lose the jobs in Congress. trump's going to screw them over anyway , so whatever he is using against them it will be exposed in the end by trump to hurt them , so they really have little to lose at this point.
MarcA
(2,195 posts)Probably not enough time for a conviction and maybe not even an impeachment.
The repugs will have to have 2020 campaigns up and running by early January.
They know that with drumph they, he and the Senate are toast next November.
RestoreAmerica2020
(3,433 posts)...the constitution? Imo say No. If Sen. McCain were here I believe he would have led, encouraged the senate to do their duty.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.azcentral.com/amp/13497493&ved=2ahUKEwj6heLKtfnlAhVVOH0KHa96AiYQFjAMegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw15QUSg-NmOy2magpm5zWjL&cf=1rhodes
IronLionZion
(45,259 posts)Wednesdays
(17,248 posts)But Mittens would do it only to advance his political ambitions, not out of a sense of duty to country.