***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 20 THREAD 4***

[crickets]

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[crickets]

1. Bump

[BumRushDaShow]

2. And they're back and MOO MOO ALERT - MUTE

[crickets]

4. Lordy this man is so petty. MYOOT nt

[BumRushDaShow]

27. He's got the ganster pin stripe suit on too!

[uponit7771]

3. We need to hear more Pence and Barr coming out of Sondlands mouth ... was the Nixon hearings

... this interesting?

tia

[marybourg]

42. No, this is better.

[uponit7771]

5. More cow bell !!!

[Whiskeytide]

6. You know it went well for the Dems ...

... when the lawyer completes his exam with time left.

[Roland99]

7. WTf? MOOnes off the rails that Dems had financial help from Ukraine in 2016

And they have proof


Uhhhhh

[Roland99]

9. Ah. This whole Chalupa thing

[crickets]

13. Given McConnell's Oleg Deripaska thing, they might want to let that rope go.

[Roland99]

23. They won't. Even tho there's no there there

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/did-ukraine-try-to-interfere-in-the-2016-election/

The second big difference, as conservative columnist Ed Morrissey pointed out this week, is that the Democrats appeared to take pains to keep all this business away from the Clinton campaign. "If nothing else, the Clinton machine understood the need for firewalls between negative-research efforts and the candidate," Morrissey writes over at The Week.

[crickets]

31. oo, thanks for the link. nt

[Mersky]

8. There goes Nunes making manure.

[flibbitygiblets]

54. Has he mentioned TV ratings yet? Because I'll bet they're Moooooooge!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

81. wrong end of cow. needs cow tail swishing back and forth in front of Nunes face

[Mersky]

94. LOL.

No ratings talk, yet, just thousand points of CT bullshit.

[polichick]

10. Either Nunes believes this conspiracy stuff, or they have a shitload on him.

[blaze]

11. Quoting the ousted Ukranians?

[Politicub]

12. Now the GOP party line is Ukraine was "out to get [Trump]."

Nunes sounds so random with his reading of twitter statements.

[mucifer]

47. of course we are out to get trump he is destroying our nation.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

14. Mooooo! whatabouthillary?!?! moooooooo!

[Wednesdays]

15. Nunes' strategy: Whataboutism

And more whataboutism.

[uponit7771]

16. LOFL !!! Lets not talk about the grenades you just threw in the room lets talk about Pizza Gate !!!

[Politicub]

17. Whenever you hear "black ledger" think Manafort.

And we all know what happened to him.

[Botany]

18. Devin! Why don't you just let Putin read the talking points by himself?

Christ, this is a Russian conspiracy theory.

[crickets]

19. Moo, Russian ASSET, not agent. No one thinks Donny has the brains to be an agent. nt

[riversedge]

20. Video of the look on Nunes face after Amb. Sondland throws Trump, Pence others Under the bus........

Video of the look on Nunes face after Amb. Sondland throws Trump, Pence others Under the bus........

Link to tweet

?s=20

[crickets]

25. +1

[blaze]

21. Remember...Zelensky was elected President of Ukraine on 21 April 2019

[Mersky]

22. I still want nunes to explain tRump at the Helsinki summit

[The_Counsel]

24. So Clearly, Those "Key Republicans" Who Left the Room...

...did so to get marching orders directly from Trump.

This whole "Democrats were trying to help Hillary" tripe sounds like something that came directly out of his pea brain. There'll be redirect, I'm sure.

[Roland99]

26. MOOnes saying "drug deal" was the Dems term. No. It was Bolton's

[BumRushDaShow]

36. Boggles the mind how they ignore one of their own who blew the whistle on them

by his euphemisms!

[Midnightwalk]

28. Nunes is testifying

No evidenced. Just assertions.

But say ukrainian officials didn’t like trump in 2016. That still wouldn’t justify using the presidency to bribe and extort Ukraine for political gain.

Now he admits his questions from yesterday were just to get the whistleblower’s name.

[Marthe48]

29. moones on hearing off

He led with an insult. He is such a low-life dirtbag scum. Like he is formed from rotted barn bedding,

[Politicub]

35. He looks like he's sitting on a thumbtack.

[Politicub]

30. Moones: "You had very few contacts with Giuliani, correct?"

Sondland: “Just texts and multiple phone calls.”

[backtoblue]

32. Not what Volker said. Nunes lies

Volker explicitly denounced the "three amigo" reference

[padah513]

33. I muted him.

Going to read comments here until he and that crappy lawyer the pugs got are done. Thank you to those of you who have the stomach to listen to his nonsense and comment about it. Your contribution is greatly appreciated. And thanks for the thread crickets.

[Mersky]

34. 'Drug deal' is bolton's term

And Moomoo damn well knows it.

[DesertRat]

38. Walter Reed standing by for phase two of the physical

Link to tweet

[Mersky]

46. Lol. Is it phase two or three? 2.1?

[DesertRat]

65. Actually. I just read that he's going to Austin today

So it's their hospitals that should be standing by.

[Mersky]

87. Yup. It's been, eh, effing with me ever since I found out

I feel violated that he'll be in my city today.

[MerryBlooms]

39. Nunes continues with his

nonsensical line of questioning. The marching orders from the WH on full display.

[woodsprite]

40. If they call in Hunter Biden, it's only right to call in Princess, and Beavis and Butthead. nt

[ancianita]

41. KN: Are you, sir, aware of our pattern-seeking chimp story?

Sondland: Now I am.

KN: Are you aware of the Obama ambassador's call on Burisma?

GS: Nope, didn't know.

KN: We can't get answers because dirty Democrats!!

GS: shakes head up and down

[Roland99]

43. MOOnes is a broken record. Asking exact same questions re: burisma and Hunter

Whining he can’t question hunter (a dirty operative)

Btw, can’t they open investigations in the senate??

[Roland99]

44. Castor already sounded annoyed and exasperated

Going right to direct input from trump re: conditions. Sondland protecting trump

[Politicub]

48. I think Castor said, "good heavens" under his breath.

Perhaps that was a quick thought and prayer?

[crickets]

53. The closed captioner caught it. nt

[AnotherMother4Peace]

56. He said it about Sondland's "notes", because Sondland was not agreeing with Castor. nt

[Roland99]

49. Ohhh!! Sondland just implied the conditions did come from trump

Castor is upset

[Roland99]

50. Trump said talk to Rudy. Rudy is personal lawyer to trump

Sondland saying not direct word but certainly implying conditions came from trump

Castor changing tack

[uponit7771]

55. Yep !!! They're going to throw Rudy right under the bus after this shit

[crickets]

60. Castor is starting to sweat. You can see the sheen on his furrowed brow. nt

[ancianita]

77. GS: I'm late with Giuliani so everything was funneled through Volker, etc.

GS: When the president says, "Talk to Rudy" we presume nothing would happen unless we did.

GS: Volker, Perry and others were handling everything before I saw Rudy.

Castor: No recall of anything about "the call," right?

GS: When you mention ASAP, Rocky, now I remember the call.

Castor: What's dht ecranky prz say?

GS: So many scenarios, so I just said, "What the f... do you want for Ukraine?" Prz said, "Nothing, just that Zelensky do the right thing." Which gave me the impetus to text Taylor to "pick up the ball."

Castor: "Did Bolton clue you in with precise evidence?"

GS: per Mr. Goldman, 2+2=4 and so Aug 22 I proposed a briefing I'd give Zelensky and asked Pompeo if I could do that. Biden didn't come up.

Castor: No Zelensky statement! Even if it had, it didn't include Biden.

GS: It would have mentioned 2016 and Burisma, no Biden. I and a lot of people didn't make the Biden connection until after the July transcript.

So, after the transcript and whistleblower, everyone denied culpability. Now it's on Rudy and his client, 45.

[Politicub]

45. Nunes has nothing. He's whining about Burisma and throwing out a bunch

of irrelevant nonsense.

[uponit7771]

51. REALLY !?!!? "Go talk" vs.. "Talk to" ... this lawyer is horrible !!!!

[BumRushDaShow]

52. Castor is just useless

[AnotherMother4Peace]

63. I'm thinking he should stop now, because Sondland is just not going to defend those "in the loop".nt

[BumRushDaShow]

66. Sondland has a shield around himself for protection!

[uponit7771]

67. +1, I don't see how this gets better for Red Don from here. Sondland is going to continue to point

... DIRECTLY to Rudy and everyone knows Rudy was Trumps point guy.

[MerryBlooms]

57. Castor forced to treat Sonland as a hostile witness. Not a good look...

republicans in panic mode.

[Politicub]

64. Castor has been holding the desk and rocking back and forth at points

Trying to self sooth until his has a chance to apply some ointment to his chapped bum.

[MerryBlooms]

69. Beaut!

[Midnightwalk]

58. Does moones know what exculpatory means?

How does flinging poop on others absolve trump of anything?

It doesn’t and he doesn’t care. Republicans always hide behind both sides are the same.

I think the evidence is too strong and will move public opinion. That’s what is needed to have a chance in the senate.

[nolabear]

62. You can hear the gears spinning re saving their own careers.

[nolabear]

59. The spaghetti is not sticking to the wall. 😂

[uponit7771]

61. +1, Nunez just read whatever talking points from the Russians

[AnotherMother4Peace]

71. And neither is the shit. Nunes is failing. nt

[Roland99]

68. Castor bringing up trump was getting pressure to release the aid

Uhh. Does he know which side he’s on?

[Politicub]

70. For a party that moans about "fake news" all the time, they sure

have depended upon news articles for their questioning during the hearing.

[Roland99]

72. Only when it's convenient for them

[nolabear]

73. Did he say "President Pompeo"?

[Politicub]

74. Sondland: "Well the statement as I understood it would have included the 2016 election,

the DNC server and Burisma.”

[Roland99]

75. Castor saying statement ended up not happening. DOESNT MATTER!

Sondland saying statement would include 2016, crowd strike server and Burisma

And they’re going on that Bidens weren’t explicitly mentioned but why else would trump go after burisma

[crickets]

76. Nobody stopped the statement because they decided it was a bad idea.

The statement was ready - it didn't go out because toot toot whistleblower.

[Roland99]

80. Bingo!

[Politicub]

78. Trump's conflicting statements to different people sound like

they are coming from a con artist with dementia.

[BumRushDaShow]

79. Bwah! Sondland said that Biden's name didn't come into the picture for him until "later"

that he could recall - "maybe after the July 25th call".

BINGO.

Castro goes deer in headlights.

[crickets]

82. Castor is flailing. He has all this time to fill, but every question is a minefield. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

86. Castor was trying to lead him to saying that "Biden" was never an issue

and it was just "Burisma" and "2016 elections" for the hold and so Sondland wouldn't have heard the name mentioned... except apparently Sondland DID hear it.

[Mersky]

83. So, pOTUS was 'extra cranky' on Sept 9

Sondland kept his convo with the pRes brief, used an expletive in, "what the blank do you want from Ukraine"

tRump replies, Nothing. I don't want a quid pro quo, I just want them to do the right thing.

(Is a rough and tardy paraphrasing)

___
But, anyhow, imo...tRumps logic goes: I don't want an engine involved, but I want to gas up a car and drive real fast to McDonald's.

[crickets]

92. "Do the right thing" sounds like mob speak for quid pro quo from here. nt

[Mersky]

111. Indeed.

I've had that car analogy kicking around in my head for a while that I had to put it here.

Am just so tired of republicons lying about how quid pro quo fits into commiting bribery.

[Mersky]

118. He knew he was holding up congressionally allocated money

For the benefit of his campaign.

The boss wanted those Biden berders for himself.

[wnylib]

84. Refusal to admit to knowing that investigation of

Burisma meant Bidens is sooo not credible.

[Roland99]

85. Castor pushing bs that trump was concerned with being a steward of taxpayer dollars

Yet congress has passed it and the pentagon cleared Ukraine

No reason for aid to continue to be held

[mucifer]

88. Plus the Ukrainians could die thingy not mentioned

[Roland99]

90. I've heard very little on that. I think Demings mentioned it once

[BumRushDaShow]

89. Castor's remark about Fiona Hill saying there was a "drug deal" was pure BULLSHIT

She like others have testified that this is what BOLTON SAID.

[Roland99]

91. And castor and MOOnes treating the phrase literally

[BumRushDaShow]

93. They are idiots.

[Politicub]

96. And it was an analogy. They know it, too. Their base is too dazzled

by Trump or too stupid to understand this, though.

[BumRushDaShow]

102. Exactly.

[Roland99]

95. Castor repeating that investigations never started

Again. Doesn’t matter. The ask is all it took

And Zelensky was given remarks to say and was going to before the whistleblower report became public

[crickets]

97. Amb to EU did not make Ukraine part of his portfolio. Ukraine was Yovanovitch's portfolio.

eta - and later Taylor. Trying to make Taylor sound like an ingenue ... Sondland's ego is enormous.

[ancianita]

98. When the chief of staff and Eisenberg accept your remit, it really is from the president.

[Roland99]

99. Naftogaz was discussed a lot.

This was Sec Perry pushing to get trump/ Giuliani acolytes installed there

Surprised castor brought that up too!

[crickets]

104. IKR?!

The whole point of getting Yov. out of the way was so they could install a new CEO to their liking and start stealing all the money in sight.

[extvbroadcaster]

100. Trump is just a crook

Funny seeing everybody tying themselves in knots to defend a crook. Trump is just a slimy con man, willing to do anything for power and cash. Not that hard to understand. What is hard to understand is if the country can hold up against such a man when scumbags like Nunes and Jordan are in Congress.

[ancianita]

103. They were his feckless front, trying to reconcile their jobs as they saw them w/ his mafiaspeak

"I'm NOW aware" and "I don't recall" and "You're the ambassador, you take it from here."

[AnotherMother4Peace]

109. Sondland repeatedly refers to his inability to access records, that WON'T be released to him. nt

[ancianita]

119. Indeed.

[uponit7771]

110. +1, that would look like the "Nixon Tapes" to some degree

[nolabear]

105. "I don't know how that's irregular..." 😂😂😂

[ancianita]

106. GS: There IS NO "irregular channel" when the only people IN it are the heads of state!

Everyone's hair was on fire but no one decided to talk to us."

[uponit7771]

108. +1

[uponit7771]

107. That's going to leave a tire track

[Midnightwalk]

113. Castor proved all the heads were involved in the extortion

Now he’s making the case that the white house should releases the evidence.

He’s happy he’s proving points.

Edit. He’s going to be shocked when he finds out the democrats aren’t the ones preventing the evidence being released

Also here goes another round of 30 minutes each. Woohoo

[asiliveandbreathe]

121. Funny meme posted just now - "we are going to need a bigger bus" n/t

[crickets]

114. Sondy, dude, you have braggadocio tattooed on your forehead.

Don't try for modesty now. It's too late.

[IcyPeas]

120. I think he said this so he is not accused like this:

Fox's Newt Gingrich: Lt. Col. Vindman “is an absurdity” and “thinks that he knows so much”

Laura Ingraham: “He’s quite – quite full of himself”

[shanti]

115. "the limited information he has.."

LOL

[crickets]

116. THREAD 5 IS UP

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212709400

[BumRushDaShow]

117. CASTOR DONE. Schiff is now going to do 2 periods of 30-minute rounds before the 5 minutes.