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captain queeg

(10,103 posts)
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 09:51 PM Nov 2019

So if impeached, judge Roberts would preside over the senate trial?

Obviously this would be a Democrat vs Republican show, but I imagine the founding fathers would expect members of each party to be on opposing sides. How does that work? Is someone designated as a prosecutor and someone representing the president? Maybe if Roberts was overseeing it there would at least be opportunity for each side to lay out their case? Or can Moscow Mitch force an immediate vote? Is it technically a trial?

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So if impeached, judge Roberts would preside over the senate trial? (Original Post) captain queeg Nov 2019 OP
No one knows what's going to happen. maxsolomon Nov 2019 #1
Chief Justice Roberts will endeavor to do as little as possible, and do it well. SKKY Nov 2019 #2
I always hear that Chief Justice Roberts has such high regard for the SC and will do whatever he can politicaljunkie41910 Nov 2019 #14
In the Clinton trial, the House (Republicans) designated a Committee to serve as prosecutors brooklynite Nov 2019 #3
And Chief Justice Rehnquist presided. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #4
Rehnquist was also a larger than life figure Polybius Nov 2019 #15
Rehnquist had a special robe made with gold stripes on the sleeves. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #23
Scalia was up there too Polybius Nov 2019 #24
Scalia, bad as he was, made decisions that were logical given his philosophy, and The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #25
McConnell said this - Buzzfeed Joinfortmill Nov 2019 #5
The Senate trial is governed by established rules StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #6
McConnel controls the business of the Senate, he can chose beachbumbob Nov 2019 #7
Bull - He doesn't have that power. LiberalFighter Nov 2019 #8
You don't understand how business is conducted in the Senate, beachbumbob Nov 2019 #10
This is not regular floor business. It is not legislative. LiberalFighter Nov 2019 #11
So where does it state a time period?? Btw, rules of the senate can be beachbumbob Nov 2019 #12
From the Senate Rules: onenote Nov 2019 #18
lol, of course he will, takes a 51% vote to do so, Its Merick Garland defense AND beachbumbob Nov 2019 #19
Bookmarked. onenote Nov 2019 #21
and visa versa whe no trial is held beachbumbob Nov 2019 #22
He's already been asked that question and said he'll hold the trial immediately Polybius Nov 2019 #16
I expect 2. roamer65 Nov 2019 #20
House Democrats will do the prosecuting in the Senate. LiberalFighter Nov 2019 #9
Senators are not allowed to speak IIRC... Wounded Bear Nov 2019 #13
Anyone know if it'll be televised? Talitha Nov 2019 #17

maxsolomon

(33,252 posts)
1. No one knows what's going to happen.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 09:54 PM
Nov 2019

A "Summary Dismissal" vote is possible.

I have no idea if Roberts will hold any power over such a move. If McConnell can get away with it, he will.

SKKY

(11,795 posts)
2. Chief Justice Roberts will endeavor to do as little as possible, and do it well.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 09:55 PM
Nov 2019

Mitch will play his games, for sure. It will be one wild ride, no doubt.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
14. I always hear that Chief Justice Roberts has such high regard for the SC and will do whatever he can
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 10:38 PM
Nov 2019

to preserve the integrity of the Court. Now is the time for him to prove it. Trump has lost round after round with the Courts regarding his Taxes and he just keeps on filing new B.S. claims sometimes in the same Court. I thought that at some point the Courts would kick him to the curb and say, we've already been there, and we're not revisiting it again. Or three strikes and you're out of here. We're not going back. After all, these are the same old bullshit claims, (his taxes) (access to his records) and the same old arguments. John Roberts. Enough is Enough!!!!!! This is not JUSTICE if rich people get to keep going back to the Courts until they get the decision they want. Now I realize that there are different courts with different jurisdictions, but he seems to have a case before the SC every couple of weeks on issues which seem to have already been ruled on.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,612 posts)
4. And Chief Justice Rehnquist presided.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 09:58 PM
Nov 2019

He was a rabidly biased right-winger who was much worse than Roberts, and he didn't interfere at all. The function of the Chief Justice in an impeachment trial is only to be sure the Senate follows its own rules (which aren't the same as regular court rules).

Polybius

(15,336 posts)
15. Rehnquist was also a larger than life figure
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 11:21 PM
Nov 2019

He was happy to be there, so he would be in history books. Roberts is completely different. He doesn't wanna be there, he's far more low-profile.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,612 posts)
23. Rehnquist had a special robe made with gold stripes on the sleeves.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 12:18 AM
Nov 2019

And he was probably the worst, most extreme Supreme Court justice in living memory, with the possible exception of Clarence Thomas. I don't think even Gorsuch or Kavanaugh will manage to be worse than Rehnquist.

Polybius

(15,336 posts)
24. Scalia was up there too
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 12:46 AM
Nov 2019

Perhaps he was more dangerous, because he was smarter and far more intellectual than Rehnquist. But as a Chief Justice, that might make Rehnquist more dangerous.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,612 posts)
25. Scalia, bad as he was, made decisions that were logical given his philosophy, and
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 12:54 AM
Nov 2019

I'll give him credit for having been a strong defender of the First Amendment. Rehnquist's decisions were just knee-jerk right-wing. I always knew who won a case as soon as I learned who wrote the majority opinion. Rehnquist always ruled for the corporation against the individual, law enforcement against the individual and against whatever civil right was being claimed.

Joinfortmill

(14,397 posts)
5. McConnell said this - Buzzfeed
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 10:02 PM
Nov 2019

There would be a trial if Trump was impeached. It would be scheduled to begin each day at 12:30 and run every day but Sunday. Chief Justice Roberts would preside. House attorneys would prosecute. White House attorneys would defend. Absolute silence by members would be demanded.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
6. The Senate trial is governed by established rules
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 10:07 PM
Nov 2019

The Speaker will appoint a group of House Managers to act as prosecutors. They present the evidence, call witnesses, make arguments, etc. The president can have lawyers represent him during the trial and also present witnesses, make arguments etc.

The senators act as jurors and do not participate.

Here are the rules: https://www.law.cornell.edu/background/impeach/senaterules.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi-r9PXm_rlAhVPPq0KHXsXA7AQFjAXegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw0GGoQA5lekoBOEp5mvAx1-

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
7. McConnel controls the business of the Senate, he can chose
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 10:08 PM
Nov 2019

1. Let the articles of impeachment sit in his inbox, constitution does not mandate a time period to hold a trial. Invoke his Merrick Garland policy
2. He can often a motion to delay trial until after the Nov 3rd vote and 51% in favor is all that is needed. Invoke his Merrick Garland policy
3. Hold as close to a sham trial as possible. Final vote on guilt would tow the party line

I expect 1 or 2. Too risky to do #3

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
10. You don't understand how business is conducted in the Senate,
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 10:13 PM
Nov 2019

The majority leader controls what happens with any and all floor business and why almost every bill passed in the House sits with no action.

That is the power of McConnell. As for impeachment trial there is zero time table spelled out in the constitution. Zero.

LiberalFighter

(50,795 posts)
11. This is not regular floor business. It is not legislative.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 10:19 PM
Nov 2019

Trial Preparation in the Senate Impeachment proceedings in the Senate are governed now by the Rules of Procedure and Practice in the Senate when Sitting on Impeachment Trials. After presentation of the articles and organization of the Senate to consider the impeachment, the Senate will issue a writ of summons to the respondent, informing him or her of the date on which appearance and answer should be made. On the date established by the Senate, the respondent may appear in person or by counsel. The respondent may also choose not to appear. In the latter event, the proceedings progress as though a “not guilty” plea were entered. The respondent may demur, arguing that he or she is not a civil official subject to impeachment, or that the charges listed do not constitute sufficient grounds for impeachment. The respondent may also choose to answer the articles brought against him or her. The House has traditionally filed a replication to the respondent’s answer, and the pleadings may continue with a rejoinder, surrejoinder, and similiter.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
12. So where does it state a time period?? Btw, rules of the senate can be
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 10:21 PM
Nov 2019

change by a simple majority vote....

onenote

(42,603 posts)
18. From the Senate Rules:
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 11:44 PM
Nov 2019

Upon such articles being presented to the Senate, the Senate shall, at 1 o’clock afternoon of the day (Sunday excepted) following such presentation, or sooner if ordered by the Senate, proceed to the consideration of such articles and shall continue in session from day to day (Sundays excepted) after the trial shall commence (unless otherwise ordered by the Senate) until final judgment shall be ren- dered, and so much longer as may, in its judgment, be needful.

McConnell isn't going to try and change that rule. You can take it to the bank.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
19. lol, of course he will, takes a 51% vote to do so, Its Merick Garland defense AND
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 11:46 PM
Nov 2019

there is no upside for GOP to allow a trial to happen, NONE

Polybius

(15,336 posts)
16. He's already been asked that question and said he'll hold the trial immediately
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 11:23 PM
Nov 2019

Option 1 and 2 aren't happening.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
20. I expect 2.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 11:47 PM
Nov 2019

I think he will reverse his statement and try to stall it to the election.

He doesn’t want Repuke senators having to vote and be on the record as for or against.

LiberalFighter

(50,795 posts)
9. House Democrats will do the prosecuting in the Senate.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 10:11 PM
Nov 2019

Best way to describe it. Senate members are the jurors.

Wounded Bear

(58,605 posts)
13. Senators are not allowed to speak IIRC...
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 10:21 PM
Nov 2019

the House (obviously Dems) would act as "prosecutor." Trump would be represented by White House council, probably working with his personal lawyers (can you imagine Rudy acting as defense council on the Senate floor ).

Senate acts as jurors and do not participate.

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