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madaboutharry

(40,208 posts)
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:55 PM Nov 2019

This is the truth: the republicans don't care.

I don't start that many threads, but I would be interested in knowing if others feel the same.

After listening to the republicans mock the impeachment inquiry and mock all of the evidence of Trump's wrongdoing, it became clear that they simply don't care. They care only about power. And they care about money. Will Hurd, who is suppose to be a normal person, is a former CIA operative. He knows that Trump has betrayed The Constitution and the country. But he doesn't care. It doesn't matter that he isn't running again. What he cares about is the money that he can make in the lucrative republican world of lobbyists, book sales, speaking fees, and the private sector. He is lying when he says "I don't see anything impeachable." Of course he does.

Democrats talk of how many republicans have told them privately that Trump is corrupt and should be impeached but they can't vote that way or they will lose their elections. Pathetic cowards.

Are others feeling completely demoralized and depressed? Demoralized and depressed because our democracy is too fragile to stand up to this president. Demoralized and depressed because there are scoundrels who have positions of power that allow them to ruin everything.

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This is the truth: the republicans don't care. (Original Post) madaboutharry Nov 2019 OP
They do care Sherman A1 Nov 2019 #1
anyone else DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #19
Too bad there aren't any in Congress. catbyte Nov 2019 #24
Maybe Justin Amash thinks he used to be one. calimary Nov 2019 #40
Sorry, but you can either be for the rule of law or Republican RVN VET71 Nov 2019 #38
Oh dear. 2naSalit Nov 2019 #54
Republican or American...can't be both. Simply true. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2019 #59
I'd buy the t-shirt! RVN VET71 Nov 2019 #60
We are obviously winning. Don't let small minds sway you. Boxerfan Nov 2019 #2
Well said. nt coti Nov 2019 #8
I need that proud patriot Nov 2019 #17
In the end, they'll give up trying to argue he didn't do it, or that it wasn't wrong. RockRaven Nov 2019 #3
They are all under Putin's thumb. blm Nov 2019 #4
I suspect under Putin's carrot and stick ... Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #22
GOP politicians, many of them are the tea party type, dumb and not a clue Eliot Rosewater Nov 2019 #5
They should all immediately DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #20
I still say... OldBaldy1701E Nov 2019 #47
Hey DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #49
Well ... maybe not white xtian children ... mr_lebowski Nov 2019 #52
Recommended. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #6
You can't get demoralized about doing the right thing. That's part of the Russians' plan. coti Nov 2019 #7
Honestly i can't quite figure it. the only thing i can figure is they truly believe democrats Kurt V. Nov 2019 #9
i hope their money destroys them bluestarone Nov 2019 #10
It is very frustrating when these scumbags just dismiss everything that has been brought to the dustyscamp Nov 2019 #11
There was an Onion article a couple weeks ago, GOP dewsgirl Nov 2019 #12
That kind of cognitive dissonance is well within the capabilities of humanity nt coti Nov 2019 #15
He did hit on some friend's wives. rickford66 Nov 2019 #26
Nothing is going to happen, there will be no consequences for this criminal AJT Nov 2019 #13
No matter what there has already been consequences. Trump didn't get away with his shit...he got Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #43
Im not surprised at all by Will Hurd standingtall Nov 2019 #14
Dems and media need to be calling out the Senate cultists now on the fact that there is no set coti Nov 2019 #16
Where not off to a good start standingtall Nov 2019 #18
I cannot agree more! Tumbulu Nov 2019 #27
I am not upset...I expected this...never thought the GOP would do anything to stop Trump...I just Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #21
"Demoralized and depressed"? No. Martin Eden Nov 2019 #23
Demoralized and depressed? locks Nov 2019 #25
I feel exactly the same way Tumbulu Nov 2019 #28
Exactly how I feel and I just cannot seem to shake it Tumbulu Nov 2019 #29
A large chunk of them feel threatened and will therefore vote tribe. gulliver Nov 2019 #30
Speaker Of The House Nancy Pelosi JohnnyRingo Nov 2019 #31
They would do anything, and I mean anything, to prevent that. Progressive Jones Nov 2019 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #32
Yes. Snackshack Nov 2019 #33
You're right. Because care is an ethic. ancianita Nov 2019 #35
Never forget... czarjak Nov 2019 #36
Yes, that has been clear for some time now. If not enough Republicans step up to convict Trump in Nitram Nov 2019 #37
K&R, They don't care because they're not interested in democracy any longer. They don't want it uponit7771 Nov 2019 #39
Greed and power, yes. But it's also tribal and about an overarching ideology. Garrett78 Nov 2019 #41
They don't care about our Country or our Planet.. Cha Nov 2019 #42
The good guys led by Sheriff Jimmy Stewart or Gary Cooper Beringia Nov 2019 #44
Like it did with Reagan and Iran Contra? Or Bush/Cheney and Iraq? Kentonio Nov 2019 #58
They care about money The Mouth Nov 2019 #45
There can be no equivocation Taraman Nov 2019 #46
Oh, they do care...just not about our nation. TruckFump Nov 2019 #48
they haven't cared about anything in the past several years! subana Nov 2019 #50
Their criteria for impeachment is: Has Trump's actions hurt ME? Kablooie Nov 2019 #51
So why don't the retiring Republicans speak out?? See below. LAS14 Nov 2019 #53
They haven't cared for a long time Midnightwalk Nov 2019 #55
According to morning Joe in private most Republicans doc03 Nov 2019 #56
All of this and more. NCLefty Nov 2019 #57

DENVERPOPS

(8,810 posts)
19. anyone else
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:40 PM
Nov 2019

Any one else seen the ads from "Republicans for the rule of law" who are running ads against Trump and his outlaw Republican Party?
They are even running them on Fox news........

calimary

(81,220 posts)
40. Maybe Justin Amash thinks he used to be one.
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 01:08 AM
Nov 2019

That’s not something I’d boast about, especially these days.

RVN VET71

(2,690 posts)
38. Sorry, but you can either be for the rule of law or Republican
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 11:55 PM
Nov 2019

Not both.

The party has turned away from all sense of law and justice. It has embraced sociopaths, white supremacists (but I repeat myself) and Neo-Nazis (I again repeat myself) and welcomed them to the family in such numbers that the sociopaths have taken over. Decent people have 2 choices: stay with the Republican Party and become one of them or leave the nasty, degenerate thing and start a new party -- one based on fiscal responsibility, social justice, and the common welfare. (Oops, excuse me, the Democrats already own those concepts.)

2naSalit

(86,559 posts)
54. Oh dear.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 09:33 PM
Nov 2019

Y'all typed too many words!

You can be a republican or and American. Simple as that.

There, I fixed it for you. I'll be here all week.





Boxerfan

(2,533 posts)
2. We are obviously winning. Don't let small minds sway you.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:59 PM
Nov 2019

Not even a contest in the real world-and they don't have the advantage of that or self reflection. It is no win to use them as anything but a reverse barometer. They ALWAYS project.

Being on the side of right is your advantage-that is your shield of honor.

RockRaven

(14,959 posts)
3. In the end, they'll give up trying to argue he didn't do it, or that it wasn't wrong.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:00 PM
Nov 2019

They will openly say "He did it. It was wrong. So? I don't care" and vote to acquit.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,328 posts)
22. I suspect under Putin's carrot and stick ...
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:51 PM
Nov 2019

Putin has provided lots of money and shown that he can influence elections in their favor. That's the carrot. The stick(s) may have come from the RNC 'hack' that came at the same time as the DNC, but about which we've heard nothing since. Naturally, their acceptance of Russian money, through the NRA and possibly other channels, also provides a stick.

GOPers want power. They get that from Putin.

It's a treasonous cult, IMO.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
5. GOP politicians, many of them are the tea party type, dumb and not a clue
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:01 PM
Nov 2019

what patriotism means.

Rank and file GOP voters who support rump do so because he and they HATE people of color and HATE Muslims and HATE Latinos and they HATE women.

Period.

Yes, Rump can shoot thousands of small children on live TV, they still support him.

DENVERPOPS

(8,810 posts)
20. They should all immediately
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:43 PM
Nov 2019

They should all immediately sign up for Russian language lessons..........LOL

OldBaldy1701E

(5,126 posts)
47. I still say...
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 08:22 AM
Nov 2019

It is the 21st century. We have nice, clear images of both the politicians and a sizable chunk of the rank and file support. We need to catalog each 'MAGA'-wearing person's face, identify them, and have the FBI arrive to ask a few questions about their support of a criminal who is actively destroying our society in the name of personal greed and 'face'. They ALL need to answer for why they supported this person and his cohorts, why they are willing to sell their own country for profits, and why some of them are actively trying to stop others from finding the truth about this pseudo-mafia. ALL OF THEM.

DENVERPOPS

(8,810 posts)
49. Hey
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 01:43 PM
Nov 2019

Well said.............this is pure un-adulterated insanity what is going on here in the U.S.

Some one said it is like a real life "Twilight Zone" and I couldn't agree with them more.......

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
52. Well ... maybe not white xtian children ...
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 09:15 PM
Nov 2019

For sure non-white children though ...

Hell, he could molest them first and they wouldn't care. He's Dear Leader. Whatever he does is 'right' by definition.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
6. Recommended.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:01 PM
Nov 2019

The GOP is the minority. We are the majority.

And THAT is why they gerrymander, and restrict voting, and steal elections.

coti

(4,612 posts)
7. You can't get demoralized about doing the right thing. That's part of the Russians' plan.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:02 PM
Nov 2019

They want you to just give up and give in to the corruption.

Don't forget that the truth is WINNING here, and keep fighting. That's what will save our democracy.

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
9. Honestly i can't quite figure it. the only thing i can figure is they truly believe democrats
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:04 PM
Nov 2019

are an illegitimate opponent and one party rule will fix everything.

dustyscamp

(2,224 posts)
11. It is very frustrating when these scumbags just dismiss everything that has been brought to the
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:09 PM
Nov 2019

table against Trump and his corrupt administration. I wish we could do more than just vote or protest

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
12. There was an Onion article a couple weeks ago, GOP
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:10 PM
Nov 2019

members stood by while Trump strangled the life out of each of their loved ones, and they defended him after. I am beginning to think that may actually be true for some of them. Just like the wacky evangelicals and the various other sects of his cult. It is scary A F.

AJT

(5,240 posts)
13. Nothing is going to happen, there will be no consequences for this criminal
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:18 PM
Nov 2019

behavior. The GOP Does. Not. Care.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
43. No matter what there has already been consequences. Trump didn't get away with his shit...he got
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 11:30 AM
Nov 2019

caught. And it stopped him from doing worse too...he best way to rid ourselves of Trump is through the 20 election which is why we must nominate someone who can win and vote as if our lives depend on it...because they do.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
14. Im not surprised at all by Will Hurd
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:20 PM
Nov 2019

In this modern era about the last 20 or 30 years or even longer almost every so called moderate republican has been nothing more than a right wing nut job in disguise. I don't expect one republican in the senate to vote to convict Trump. Before this about as optimistic as we could be was to hope for 4 or 5 of them to convict. That not going to happen not even concern troll Susan Collins will. I will not be surprised if she votes to acquit him or even takes the most cowardly route possible an just simply votes present.

After the republican senate votes to acquits him we need to do everything in our power to make sure the voters punish them for it in 2020.

coti

(4,612 posts)
16. Dems and media need to be calling out the Senate cultists now on the fact that there is no set
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:27 PM
Nov 2019

of facts they would convict on. The HUGE mistake that was made with the Mueller Report was allowing for some kind of hope that it would be treated with reverence or even-handedness by the Repukes. It allowed Barr to gain a LOT of traction with his obfuscation tactics.

We need to understand right now that they are NOT going to be engaging in any kind of legitimate trial in the Senate. Don't even let that idea creep in to the public mind.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
18. Where not off to a good start
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:38 PM
Nov 2019

because I just heard a Democrat on Chris Hayes being asked about Will Hurd. I don't know who it was, because I'm not actually watching it the TV is on the other room. Anyway he started out by saying how much he respects Hurd and what an honorable man he is blah blah blah. Ugh we need to stop unintentionally contributing to normalizing this type of stuff. We don't need to look for every nice thing we can say about them when we disagree with them over some absurd position they take. We need to properly express outrage.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
21. I am not upset...I expected this...never thought the GOP would do anything to stop Trump...I just
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:50 PM
Nov 2019

want this over so we can move on to the only way to rid this country of Trump the election in 20. I am not even sure those 40 house members who gave us the house can vote for impeachment without losing their seats and since Trump is not going to be convicted more than likely, no point in losing the house.

Martin Eden

(12,863 posts)
23. "Demoralized and depressed"? No.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:11 PM
Nov 2019
Angry and determined to purge our government of these unprincipled accomplices to treason.

locks

(2,012 posts)
25. Demoralized and depressed?
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:23 PM
Nov 2019

Yes, the worst in my long life. Thankful for all the good people in the govt who serve us and our world but I have almost no hope that we will dethrone Trump and the Deplorables.

Tumbulu

(6,274 posts)
28. I feel exactly the same way
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:31 PM
Nov 2019

I really am very down and cannot see anyway out of this. The republicans have poisoned the public so effectively that they think it is ok to kill liberals. And if not kill them, remove them from any part of the conversations.

I have been all discombobulated all day listening to the testimony and the crazy malicious republicans spew their hateful reality.

Tumbulu

(6,274 posts)
29. Exactly how I feel and I just cannot seem to shake it
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:34 PM
Nov 2019

And I have been hoping and hoping.

But these republicans have always benefited by the fairness that we extend toward to body politic. They use it to attack us and get what they want time and time again.

And then we get Tulsi Gabbard up on the stage at our debate. As though Bernie Sanders wasn’t enough.

I really cannot accept these attacks for all sides anymore.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
30. A large chunk of them feel threatened and will therefore vote tribe.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:35 PM
Nov 2019

Russians and Republicans work to make this bloc feel threatened. That makes them vote against what their consciences and logic would normally tell them to vote for.

JohnnyRingo

(18,626 posts)
31. Speaker Of The House Nancy Pelosi
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:36 PM
Nov 2019

If Trump's impeachment involves and brings down Mike Pence, she becomes the first female acting President Of The United States. And she'd be good for another two full terms.

How much would republicans ignore to prevent that from ever happening?

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
34. They would do anything, and I mean anything, to prevent that.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:57 PM
Nov 2019

There is no longer such a thing as an honorable Republican.

They will lie, cheat, and murder if necessary. Yes, I said murder.
I will not put anything past them, and I will never, ever trust them.
They are dangerous, desperate people. To Hell with all of them.

There is no greater enemy of the United States in this age than the GOP.

Response to madaboutharry (Original post)

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
33. Yes.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:54 PM
Nov 2019

I agree. I don’t think people appreciate the gravity of the situation. We have a 2 party system of government and 50% of the government has decided rule of law does not matter and has put party/control/power over country. The judges they have appointed are a disaster and will set back progressive values like civil rights, voting, climate action for a generation to come and we don’t have that kind of time as far as getting serious about climate action.

The founders did a great job with the founding documents but they did not anticipate the executive and half the legislative branches of government being corrupt.

America only became the superpower it is by compromise with each other and other nations the gop has made clear it’s their way or no way at all this never works. Unless the gop some how suddenly finds a realignment to a more moderate party I don’t see how this changes in the near future.

czarjak

(11,269 posts)
36. Never forget...
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 11:44 PM
Nov 2019

Jodey Arrington. Worked for W., now backs the guy that called W. "a disaster", but implemented W.'s policies on steroids. Gonna work this time?

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
37. Yes, that has been clear for some time now. If not enough Republicans step up to convict Trump in
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 11:44 PM
Nov 2019

the Senate, I will feel the way I did the morning learned Trump was elected president. That my country is slipping into madness and I can't do anything about it.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
41. Greed and power, yes. But it's also tribal and about an overarching ideology.
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 04:00 AM
Nov 2019

It's about supporting the party no matter what. And theirs is an ideology of extreme, mythical individualism and a mythical "free market." It disputes the existence of what's known as "the commons." Also embedded in their creed is an archaic racism and sexism. I don't think Republican officeholders merely foment and exploit racism and sexism for personal gain, though they certainly do, I think most Republicans in power are themselves devoutly racist and patriarchal. They almost have to be in order to push an ideology that depends, in large part, on denying the reality that injustice is systemic, not evenly distributed and that seemingly past/resolved injustices continue to influence power structures.

It can be infuriating to listen to Nunes, Jordan and others spout lies, but in their defense, they have no choice. As Cody Cain points out, lying is key to the Republican Party's survival. Their ideology is a house of cards, and to tell the truth would lead to collapse.

Just imagine the stump speech. “Vote for me and I will slash your health care! In fact, I’ll do even better — I'll fight like mad to completely eliminate your health care!”


The AG of the United States was going around the world trying to stir up conspiratorial nonsense, which is absolutely surreal, but it also follows a pattern. The Republican Party has been trying for decades, with quite a bit of success, to undermine faith in government. Run up debt so as to cut entitlements, have corporations write legislation, deregulate industry, install heads of departments whose mission it is to erode those very departments, etc. Since the likes of Putin also wish to undermine democratic institutions for the purpose of self-enrichment, Putin and Republicans make for interesting bedfellows. This is a war of ideologies: we vs. me. "It takes a village" vs. "every person for themselves" (cheating permitted...nay, encouraged). The likes of Barr, Bannon, Mulvaney, Pompeo et al. are especially dangerous--they're white nationalists and despise secularization.

And, as has been mentioned by others, there is the distinct possibility that many Republicans in Congress are just as compromised as Trump. As I like to say, Republicans have more rubles than scruples.

The feelings you and others express of distress and depression are very understandable. Tempting though it may be to do otherwise, I think it's best that we all accept what we're up against. For instance, I never thought and still don't think the Ukraine story will result in a Senate conviction of Trump. I do, however, fully support impeachment and hope that it damages Trump enough that we can overcome the inevitable election fraud (in the form of foreign interference, voter suppression, dark money, gerrymandering and the utilization of an irresponsible profit-driven media to promote lies, obfuscation and false equivalencies) next November. I think what it would take to get a Senate conviction is almost unimaginable. It would have to be audio or video of something so grotesque (yes, even worse than Trump bragging about committing sexual assault, as he infamously did on the Access Hollywood tape) that Trump's approval rating, which has been unprecedentedly steady, would drop drastically almost over night (from around 40 to the mid-20s).

It's also best to resist the notion that Trump happened in a vacuum, so to speak, that the pre-Trump Republican Party was somehow reasonable and not at all responsible for the rise of Trump. It's an absurd notion, so it should be easy to resist, but there are Never Trumpers, members of the media and even some Democrats who seem to want to believe if we just get rid of Trump all will be well or "normal." As if 50+ years (going back to Nixon and his Southern Strategy) of increasingly cruel and unhinged policy and rhetoric didn't make Trump almost inevitable. As if we don't have to worry about Trump 2.0, a more politically savvy and intelligent version of the monster currently occupying the White House, coming down the pike. Trump is a symptom of the disease, not the disease itself.

We should also accept that we have a tyranny of the minority political system that will become increasingly anti-democratic. It's been reported, for instance, that by 2040 we can expect nearly 70% of the US population will be represented by just 30% of the US Senate. That's an intolerable situation. Unfortunately, this political system is incredibly difficult to change for the very reasons why major structural reform is so desperately needed. I imagine the founders would have expected the US Constitution to have been rewritten at least once by now, especially if they knew just how drastically society, the nation and the world had changed. However, a constitutional convention would be a complete disaster with states like Idaho, South Dakota, Kansas and Oklahoma having an outsized influence.

We should accept that the Republican Party is not on its death bed. I've seen post after post after post suggesting that the Republican Party is done for, or that it will be if it doesn't remove Trump from office. That idea is comforting, but it isn't rooted in reality. Demographic change isn't sufficient given our broken system. That said, demographic change (along with social progression, increased secularism, etc.) is a big reason why Republican tactics have become increasingly extreme in recent years (intense voter suppression and gerrymandering, full-throated attacks on science and public education, persistent attacks on the "liberal media" to help shift the Overton Window, stealing a Supreme Court seat and packing the judiciary with right wing ideologues, aligning with dictators who share the goal of undermining democracy for personal enrichment, replacing the dog whistle with a bullhorn, and so on). But the demise of the Republican Party has been predicted for decades. Without major reform of our tyranny of the minority political system, without public education reform, without media reform and without putting an end to what is essentially election fraud, the GOP will live on. It's ethically bankrupt but it will continue to be a major player. The GOP, as batshit crazy as it's become, currently holds more power nationwide (state legislatures, governors, etc.) than the Democratic Party. As more and more of the population lives in a disproportionately small number of states, the problem will worsen. 2020 may go really well for us, but between all of the aforementioned issues and an incredibly ignorant public with the attention span of a gnat, the Republican Party isn't anywhere close to being laid to rest. A survey from earlier this year indicated that around 30 million US adults have never heard of Mike Pence. Never. Heard. Of. Him. Let that sink in for a moment. Meanwhile, there are those who support the Affordable Care Act but despise Obamacare. So, one can only imagine how many people aren't even aware of the various facts being established in the impeachment hearings, if they're even aware that the hearings are taking place. It's also not hard to imagine there being millions of people who don't even know there's a presidential election next year. We must address this epidemic of ignorance.

Oh yeah, there's also that whole existential threat known as climate change.

I've probably not done anything to dissuade those feelings of distress. But acceptance must precede action. I think it can be helpful to take the long view, to focus on planting seeds in the public consciousness. Literally planting seeds in a community garden and starting local cooperatives would be a couple of examples. Write. Get involved in local organizations that are focused on combating racism and sexism. Consume less. The Democratic Party placing greater emphasis on education reform and media reform seems necessary. Make civics a bigger part of a child's education. Make media literacy (such as identifying and verifying sources, and recognizing tactics such as 'projection' and the Gish gallop) mandatory curriculum from elementary school through college. Make college much more accessible. Raise hell over the media's tendency to give equal time to lies and obfuscation out of some twisted sense of what constitutes fairness, or simply because it's good for ratings. Raise hell over media consolidation. You may not see the kind of change you want to see in your lifetime, and that can be a difficult reality to face, but take the long view for the good of humanity.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
42. They don't care about our Country or our Planet..
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 04:31 AM
Nov 2019

we could end being ruled by Russia and they would still be drooling lies spewing from their asshole faces.

Beringia

(4,316 posts)
44. The good guys led by Sheriff Jimmy Stewart or Gary Cooper
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 11:35 AM
Nov 2019

have to win. It is in all the movies. The outlaws may be running riot over the town, but they will lose in the town square shootout.

I think this will happen with the current situation too.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
58. Like it did with Reagan and Iran Contra? Or Bush/Cheney and Iraq?
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 05:37 AM
Nov 2019

Sadly the bad guys very rarely lose when they have this much power.

The Mouth

(3,148 posts)
45. They care about money
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 05:09 PM
Nov 2019

and status.

The thing about conservatives, and I know this well from family and friends:

EVERYTHING IS A CHOICE.

Outside of obvious physical and mental disabilities rendering one needful of institutionalization, EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT YOUR LIFE in terms of outcome is your choice, the result of choices you make.

Poor? Your choice
Gender non CIS binary? Your choice
Poor health? Your choice
Incel? Your choice
And if you choose something, why should that protected against discrimination or opprobrium? (yes, this begs the question that they demand protection for religion which is a choice, no one said they are consistent!).

That's why they don't care, and never will about 'corruption', or oppression, or discrimination; they just see the results. That's why they feel no need to have compassion for the poor, 'they wouldn't be poor if they made better choices and worked harder'.

That is the mindset of conservatives.


TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
48. Oh, they do care...just not about our nation.
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 12:03 PM
Nov 2019

They care that the walls hiding their deception and dishonesty to the USA are being breached by the good guys.

subana

(586 posts)
50. they haven't cared about anything in the past several years!
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 08:59 PM
Nov 2019

the only thing they do seem to care about is their own money! They are Russia-loving cowards, every single one!!! It really should not surprise us, cheating is the only way they win elections! Call me crazy but I've always thought if it came down to doing what's good for this country over doing something good for another country, I really thought that at some point they would do the right thing by supporting this country! But they seem to be perfectly fine with following Russia's orders!!! Did they forget the oath they all took? The oath where they say they will fight all enemies, both foreign or domestic!

Kablooie

(18,626 posts)
51. Their criteria for impeachment is: Has Trump's actions hurt ME?
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 09:10 PM
Nov 2019

If Trump hasn't caused them personally to lose large sums of money or lose a massive amount of votes, he shouldn't be impeached.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
53. So why don't the retiring Republicans speak out?? See below.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 09:18 PM
Nov 2019

Paul Krugman has answered this question.

What, after all, do retired officials do for a living? Many become lobbyists, and in an era of extreme polarization that means lobbying their own party. Being honest about why you quit would be bad for future business.

Beyond that, the modern U.S. right contains many institutions — Fox News and other media, right-wing think tanks, and others — that offer sinecures to former officials. However, this “wing-nut welfare” — which has no counterpart on the left — is available only to those who continue to toe the line.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/21/opinion/trump-republicans-corruption.html



Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
55. They haven't cared for a long time
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 09:34 PM
Nov 2019

Climate change denial. Clean coal. Cigarettes don’t cause cancer. Evolution is a fraud. Tax cuts reduce the deficit. Your abortion is immoral. Benghazi. Racism. Can’t appoint a judge in final year of term. Immigration costs trillions. Welfare queens driving cadillacs.

Republicans have been arguing in bad faith for years. Deliberately arguing against facts.

doc03

(35,325 posts)
56. According to morning Joe in private most Republicans
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:10 PM
Nov 2019

can't stand Trump. I think if there were a secret vote he would be removed from office. They are just cowards they are more concerned about keeping power than their country.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
57. All of this and more.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 04:15 AM
Nov 2019

Trump offends every cell in my body.

And Republicans have never failed to become more dicky over my lifetime. Their very last president lied us into a war and then crashed the goddamn economy. Then our guy fixes the economy, kills OBL, and keeps us stable... and then American voters were like, "Durrrr.. which party is gud in this era IDK???? DURR..."

I couldn't be more disappointed with my country at this time. 92 million eligible voters didn't even show up in 2016 to stop a buffoonish and failed businessman from getting All The Power. That's 30 million more than either major party candidate got. Dude controls our nukes. Fuckkkk usssss.

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