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Most of the media (and public) don't get it. Republicans' goals align with Putin's and they want (Original Post) triron Nov 2019 OP
They haven't been able to win on their ideas & policy in decades. CrispyQ Nov 2019 #1
Democracy doesn't favor Republicans C_U_L8R Nov 2019 #2
Republicans want to weaken America... Wounded Bear Nov 2019 #3
They've always wanted power for themselves, to rule a strong America. Hortensis Nov 2019 #4
Exactly. And anything that weakens us, weakens Europe, weakens stability in the KPN Nov 2019 #7
K&R, 100% agree ... What are we supposed to do? Trust Trump ... NOT ... to cheat now?! uponit7771 Nov 2019 #5
Rhetorical? triron Nov 2019 #6
align is not a strong enough word--Putin gives order, librechik Nov 2019 #8
what makes you think a nearly trillion dollar a year industry doesn't "get it"? Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #9
huh? triron Nov 2019 #10
tv "news" makes lots of money from GOP and horse races Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #11
Ok see what you mean. triron Nov 2019 #12
sorry to be vague ... Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #13
knr triron Nov 2019 #14
Not sure Rachel is quite there. She's the closest. triron Nov 2019 #15

CrispyQ

(36,452 posts)
1. They haven't been able to win on their ideas & policy in decades.
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 01:07 PM
Nov 2019

They've had to resort to lying, cheating, & stealing to get the power they currently have. And if we thought the lying & cheating & stealing was bad before, they are going to pull out all the stops for 2020. They are too close to their goal of rigging our representative government to represent only them, to back off now.

C_U_L8R

(44,997 posts)
2. Democracy doesn't favor Republicans
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 01:09 PM
Nov 2019

And demographics certainly show they can only win by cheating... or outright destroying the system. It's all they got.

Wounded Bear

(58,637 posts)
3. Republicans want to weaken America...
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 01:22 PM
Nov 2019

because a weak federal government favors their Randian libertarian views vis-a-vis corporate "freedom."

And the last thing they want is a bunch of international treaties trying to make trade more "fair."

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. They've always wanted power for themselves, to rule a strong America.
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 01:38 PM
Nov 2019

A weak nation would be very contrary to the nature of most conservatives, who almost all are sure we have enemies we must defend ourselves against. That's actually huge on the right overall.

A weak federal government over domestic policy is different, and there is certainly some validity to that. But even there conservatives tend authoritarian; they want a balance but overall one that provides a government able to protect society's institutions against the power of individuals. It's liberalism they want weak.

Even libertarian billionaires notably want protections for their booty. But most aren't actually libertarian at all, just conservatives trying to dress their motives up, and they invest heavily to create strong RW federal government that'll work for them. Like their enormous Tax Heist financial crime. They want laws written that will decrease the ability of smaller businesses to compete, even run them out of business. It's liberals and taxes and any regulations that don't help them they want gone.

But in any case, it's always a mistake to ascribe the noise of relative extremists to the whole. By definition, those on the fringes don't represent the vast midrange. In other words, don't listen to the Christopher Hitchens out there or Bernie Sanders apologists to find out what your RW neighbors think: ask the neighbors.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
7. Exactly. And anything that weakens us, weakens Europe, weakens stability in the
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 02:57 PM
Nov 2019

middle east, and -- by consequence -- geopolitically strengthens Russia. Exactly what Putin wants.
And these self-centered, short-sighted, greedy, white supremacist bigots who make up the GOP don't give one iota as long as they get what they want -- free reign.

Here's what in my belief is the kicker: the actually think it doesn't matter because we are bigger, badder, stronger than Russia and anybody else and if push comes to shove, we can just beat the crap out of them. To them, it's the Game of Thrones.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
8. align is not a strong enough word--Putin gives order,
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 03:19 PM
Nov 2019

Trump Obey. Period.

The Constitution, The Law, and human rights do not enter in.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,320 posts)
13. sorry to be vague ...
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 08:53 PM
Nov 2019

I should've been more clear and less rushed.

We have oligarchs around the world fighting against all forms of government that restrict their accumulation. Our own media industry has undergone considerable consolidation since Reaganites came along. They will not give up power easily.

We still have excellent journalists, thankfully. They just don't have a wide a reach as the conglomerates.

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