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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA (Original Post) Flo Mingo Nov 2019 OP
Great news! FM123 Nov 2019 #1
Hopefully more information will come forth . . . Iliyah Nov 2019 #2
Can they subpoena his ass choie Nov 2019 #3
Not sure about that, choie Flo Mingo Nov 2019 #4
Oops! True Blue American Nov 2019 #5
Why Traildogbob Nov 2019 #35
Wham! MerryBlooms Nov 2019 #6
What's the punishment, gab13by13 Nov 2019 #7
yeah, unless the gop finds a spine... getagrip_already Nov 2019 #8
Your crystal ball orangecrush Nov 2019 #11
huh? I was only referring to nunes... getagrip_already Nov 2019 #13
I think you explained it quite well, thank you. gab13by13 Nov 2019 #19
Since Intelligence is a select committee I think Pelosi can remove him. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #26
Probably, and the committee itself could probably remove him, but.... getagrip_already Nov 2019 #27
I agree. And that's probably why Pelosi hasn't remoooved him. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #29
I see what you did there. Flo Mingo Nov 2019 #32
they need to find some ethics... choie Nov 2019 #41
no, he gets investigated. again. mopinko Nov 2019 #14
At best the same as paleotn Nov 2019 #17
Yes! 2naSalit Nov 2019 #9
He and Senator graham needs to be put before them under oath answering questions now. duforsure Nov 2019 #10
It has never been done to my knowledge (forcing a senator to appear at a house hearing through subpo getagrip_already Nov 2019 #30
Devin's going down! smirkymonkey Nov 2019 #12
Moo, Bitch! Danascot Nov 2019 #15
Exactly Flo Mingo Nov 2019 #33
Yeah, that graphic... ZZenith Nov 2019 #36
Hopefully this will reveal more GOP members of Congress tied up in this Ukraine mess onetexan Nov 2019 #16
Next on the list.... paleotn Nov 2019 #18
Holy cow! Kid Berwyn Nov 2019 #20
Karma! nt tblue37 Nov 2019 #21
Cow chips happen. Marcuse Nov 2019 #22
K&R BlueJac Nov 2019 #23
LMFAO uponit7771 Nov 2019 #24
House Rule XXIII (1)... babylonsister Nov 2019 #25
these are the words and works onethatcares Nov 2019 #39
Hehe aikoaiko Nov 2019 #28
Does The Complaint Cite The Enormous Amount Of Money Spent To Do So? Me. Nov 2019 #31
Trafficant was expelled from the House for committing a felony NotASurfer Nov 2019 #34
k&r n/t lordsummerisle Nov 2019 #37
You can't complain about Devin Nunes' ethics gratuitous Nov 2019 #38
Nunes opponent True Blue American Nov 2019 #40

Traildogbob

(8,716 posts)
35. Why
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 02:23 PM
Nov 2019

How will just continue to spew his Ukraine interfered, Dem Server, Hillary bullshit as he did in hearings. Under oath means shit to him. Look how he treats the one he took when "appointed" to office

getagrip_already

(14,708 posts)
8. yeah, unless the gop finds a spine...
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 09:27 AM
Nov 2019

It takes 2/3 of the house to expell a member, so that ain't happening. Mccarthy could strip him of all committee roles, but that aint happening. He could be forced to resign, but, yeah.

Likewise they could refer him to the fbi, but the fbi already knows all of this since parvas has a plea deal. Barr ain't gonna allow anything to happen, just like he is shielding rudy.

orangecrush

(19,537 posts)
11. Your crystal ball
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 09:58 AM
Nov 2019


Seems to predict nothing but unfavorable outcomes for Democrats.

The opposite of all those outcomes are also possible.

getagrip_already

(14,708 posts)
13. huh? I was only referring to nunes...
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 10:14 AM
Nov 2019

The nunes outcomes are neither good nor bad for dems. I'm just pointing out the reality of what mccarthy and the gop track record has been.

What officially happens to nunes means exactly squat to dems. In fact, you could argue the best outcome is censure by the ethics committee and a refusal by mccarthy to act on it in any meaningful way.

Then, during every hearing swalwel could ask that the ethics committee report be entered into the record. The ranking member would look absolutely foolish every time.

gab13by13

(21,309 posts)
19. I think you explained it quite well, thank you.
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 11:00 AM
Nov 2019

People keep forgetting that Barr runs the justice department to protect Trump.

getagrip_already

(14,708 posts)
27. Probably, and the committee itself could probably remove him, but....
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 12:31 PM
Nov 2019

The optics would be terrible. It would be a party line vote, and in fox viewers eyes, it would make everything he said true.

This has to come from the minority leadership, and it won't.

It would be better for a dem on the committee to simply read the ethics committee summary and ask it to be introduced into the record each and every time the committee meets.

The gop wouldn't have a choice then. His credibility will be zero, even to his own side.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
17. At best the same as
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 10:47 AM
Nov 2019

US congressman and Iowa Grand Cyclops of the KKK Steve King. Booted from all committee assignments. More or less, left with little to do.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
10. He and Senator graham needs to be put before them under oath answering questions now.
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 09:49 AM
Nov 2019

Why are they promoting Russian disinformation, and what is their evidence , their sources, first hand or hearsay, , is trump pressuring them to do this with threats from them having ties to Russian money funneled to them through others for their campaigns or their pockets, and why they are compromised into having to work for Putin , and for trump. I think these people will get fully exposed as unwilling assets working for Putin under trump, and why they promote putins propaganda for him now knowing its false. Putin has gotten trump compromised, now many in the GOP, and you can bet putins trying with trumps help to corrupt judges to help protect them and advance their American policies designed to weaken us with. This Biden investigation is from Putin now, not just trump. Both graham and nines should be put under oath for the American people hear it all from them, either by lying and facing prison, or admitting why they are doing this now. Biden needs to now demand they both be exposed for their Russian promotion of lies to the American people. If he won't he shouldn't be running if he won't stand up against these Putin and trump loyalists. The House needs to investigate Graham and nines both now.

getagrip_already

(14,708 posts)
30. It has never been done to my knowledge (forcing a senator to appear at a house hearing through subpo
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 12:34 PM
Nov 2019

or vis-a-versa.

It would be open warfare between the houses and wouldn't play well. I don't think either party wants to go there, although trump wants schift to appear at the impeachment trial. That might open the gates.

Flo Mingo

(492 posts)
33. Exactly
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 01:30 PM
Nov 2019

This wins meme of the year for me. Damn it's so perfect between the look on both their faces, the absurdity of thinking Rep. Schiff would say it and the delight in knowing how it would feel to observe it if he did.

Hoo boy. That's a good one.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
18. Next on the list....
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 10:51 AM
Nov 2019

enabler of sexual predators and unofficial congressional wrasslin' coach, Gym Jordan! I hope. I hope. I hope.

babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
25. House Rule XXIII (1)...
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 12:21 PM
Nov 2019
https://ethics.house.gov/publication/code-official-conduct


Code of Official Conduct

RULES OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES - 116th CONGRESS
Rule XXIII - Code Of Official Conduct

There is hereby established by and for the House the following code of conduct, to be known as the "Code of Official Conduct":

1. A Member, Delegate, Resident Commissioner, officer, or employee of the House shall behave at all times in a manner that shall reflect creditably on the House.

2. A Member, Delegate, Resident Commissioner, officer, or employee of the House shall adhere to the spirit and the letter of the Rules of the House and to the rules of duly constituted committees thereof.

3. A Member, Delegate, Resident Commissioner, officer, or employee of the House may not receive compensation and may not permit compensation to accrue to the beneficial interest of such individual from any source, the receipt of which would occur by virtue of influence improperly exerted from the position of such individual in Congress.

4. A Member, Delegate, Resident Commissioner, officer, or employee of the House may not accept gifts except as provided by clause 5 of rule XXV.

5. A Member, Delegate, Resident Commissioner, officer, or employee of the House may not accept an honorarium for a speech, a writing for publication, or other similar activity, except as otherwise provided under rule XXV.

6. A Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner—

(a) shall keep the campaign funds of such individual separate from the personal funds of such individual;
(b) may not convert campaign funds to personal use in excess of an amount representing reimbursement for legitimate and verifiable campaign expenditures; and
(c) except as provided in clause 1(b) of rule XXIV, may not expend funds from a campaign account of such individual that are not attributable to bona fide campaign or political purposes.

7. A Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner shall treat as campaign contributions all proceeds from testimonial dinners or other fundraising events.

8. (a) A Member, Delegate, Resident Commissioner, or officer of the House may not retain an employee who does not perform duties for the offices of the employing authority commensurate with the compensation such employee receives.

(b) In the case of a committee employee who works under the direct supervision of a member of the committee other than a chair, the chair may require that such member affirm in writing that the employee has complied with clause 8(a) (subject to clause 9 of rule X) as evidence of compliance by the chair with this clause and with clause 9 of rule X.
(c)(1) Except as specified in subparagraph (2)—
(A) a Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner may not retain the relative of such individual in a paid position; and
(B) an employee of the House may not accept compensation for work for a committee on which the relative of such employee serves as a member.
(2) Subparagraph (1) shall not apply in the case of a relative whose pertinent employment predates the One Hundred Thirteenth Congress.
(3) As used in this paragraph, the term ‘‘relative’’ means an individual who is related to the Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner as father, mother, son, daughter, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, first cousin, nephew, niece, husband, wife, fatherin-law, mother-in-law, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, stepfather, stepmother, stepson, stepdaughter, stepbrother, stepsister, half brother, half sister, grandson, or granddaughter.

9. A Member, Delegate, Resident Commissioner, officer, or employee of the House may not discharge and may not refuse to hire an individual, or otherwise discriminate against an individual with respect to compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of the race, color, religion, sex (including marital or parental status), sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, age, or national origin of such individual, including by committing an act of sexual harassment against such individual, but may take into consideration the domicile or political affiliation of such individual.

10. (a) A Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner who has been convicted by a court of record for the commission of a crime for which a sentence of two or more years’ imprisonment may be imposed should refrain from participation in the business of each committee of which such individual is a member, and a Member should refrain from voting on any question at a meeting of the House or of the Committee of the Whole House on the state of the Union, unless or until judicial or executive proceedings result in reinstatement of the presumption of the innocence of such Member or until the Member is reelected to the House after the date of such conviction.

(b) A Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner who has been indicted for or otherwise formally charged with criminal conduct in any Federal, State, or local court punishable as a felony for which a sentence of two or more years’ imprisonment may be imposed should submit his or her resignation from any standing, select, joint or ad hoc committee, and any subcommittee thereof, on which he or she serves, and should step aside from any party caucus or conference leadership position he or she holds, unless or until judicial or executive proceedings result in acquittal or the charges are dismissed or reduced to less than a felony as described in this paragraph.

11. A Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner may not authorize or otherwise allow an individual, group, or organization not under the direction and control of the House to use the words ‘‘Congress of the United States,’’ ‘‘House of Representatives,’’ or ‘‘Official Business,’’ or any combination of words thereof, on any letterhead or envelope.

12. (a) Except as provided in paragraph (b), an employee of the House who is required to file a report under rule XXVI may not participate personally and substantially as an employee of the House in a contact with an agency of the executive or judicial branches of Government with respect to nonlegislative matters affecting any nongovernmental person in which the employee has a significant financial interest.

(b) Paragraph (a) does not apply if an employee first advises the employing authority of such employee of a significant financial interest described in paragraph (a) and obtains from such employing authority a written waiver stating that the participation of the employee in the activity described in paragraph (a) is necessary. A copy of each such waiver shall be filed with the Committee on Ethics.

13. Before a Member, Delegate, Resident Commissioner, officer, or employee of the House may have access to classified information, the following oath (or affirmation) shall be executed: ‘‘I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will not disclose any classified information received in the course of my service with the House of Representatives, except as authorized by the House of Representatives or in accordance with its Rules.’’ Copies of the executed oath (or affirmation) shall be retained as part of the records of the House, in the case of a Member, Delegate, or the Resident Commissioner, by the Clerk, and in the case of an officer or employee of the House, by the Sergeant-at-Arms. The Clerk shall make the signatories a matter of public record, causing the names of each Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner who has signed the oath during a week (if any) to be published in a portion of the Congressional Record designated for that purpose on the last legislative day of the week and making cumulative lists of such names available each day for public inspection in an appropriate office of the House.

14. A Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner may not, with the intent to influence on the basis of partisan political affiliation an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—

(a) take or withhold, or offer or threaten to take or withhold, an official act; or
(b) influence, or offer or threaten to influence, the official act of another.

15. (a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c), a Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner may not use personal funds, official funds, or campaign funds for a flight on an aircraft.

(b) Paragraph (a) does not apply if—
(1) the aircraft is operated by an air carrier or commercial operator certificated by the Federal Aviation Administration and the flight is required to be conducted under air carrier safety rules, or, in the case of travel which is abroad, by an air carrier or commercial operator certificated by an appropriate foreign civil aviation authority and the flight is required to be conducted under air carrier safety rules;
(2) the aircraft is owned or leased by a Member, Delegate, Resident Commissioner or a family member of a Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner (including an aircraft owned by an entity that is not a public corporation in which the Member, Delegate, Resident Commissioner or a family member of a Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner has an ownership interest, provided that such Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner does not use the aircraft any more than the Member, Delegate, Resident Commissioner, or family member’s proportionate share of ownership allows);
(3) the flight consists of the personal use of an aircraft by a Member, Delegate, or the Resident Commissioner that is supplied by—
(A) an individual on the basis of personal friendship; or
(B) another Member, Delegate, or the Resident Commissioner;
(4) the aircraft is operated by an entity of the Federal government or an entity of the government of any State; or
(5) the owner or operator of the aircraft is paid a pro rata share of the fair market value of the normal and usual charter fare or rental charge for a comparable plane of comparable size as determined by dividing such cost by the number of Members, Delegates, or the Resident Commissioner, officers, or employees of Congress on the flight.
(c) An advance written request for a waiver of the restriction in paragraph (a) may be granted jointly by the chair and ranking minority member of the Committee on Ethics, subject to such conditions as they may prescribe.
(d) In this clause—
(1) the term ‘‘campaign funds’’ includes funds of any political committee under the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971, without regard to whether the committee is an authorized committee of the Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner involved under such Act;
(2) the term ‘‘family member’’ means an individual who is related to the Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner, as father, mother, son, daughter, brother, sister, husband, wife, father-in-law, or mother-in-law; and
(3) the term ‘‘on the basis of personal friendship’’ has the same meaning as in clause 5 of rule XXV and shall be determined as under clause 5(a)(3)(D)(ii) of rule XXV.

16. A Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner may not condition the inclusion of language to provide funding for a congressional earmark, a limited tax benefit, or a limited tariff benefit in any bill or joint resolution (or an accompanying report) or in any conference report on a bill or joint resolution (including an accompanying joint explanatory statement of managers) on any vote cast by another Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner. For purposes of this clause and clause 17, the terms ‘‘congressional earmark,’’ ‘‘limited tax benefit,’’ and ‘‘limited tariff benefit’’ shall have the meanings given them in clause 9 of rule XXI.

17. (a) A Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner who requests a congressional earmark, a limited tax benefit, or a limited tariff benefit in any bill or joint resolution (or an accompanying report) or in any conference report on a bill or joint resolution (or an accompanying joint statement of managers) shall provide a written statement to the chair and ranking minority member of the committee of jurisdiction, including—

(1) the name of the Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner;
(2) in the case of a congressional earmark, the name and address of the intended recipient or, if there is no specifically intended recipient, the intended location of the activity;
(3) in the case of a limited tax or tariff benefit, identification of the individual or entities reasonably anticipated to benefit, to the extent known to the Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner;
(4) the purpose of such congressional earmark or limited tax or tariff benefit; and
(5) a certification that the Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner or spouse has no financial interest in such congressional earmark or limited tax or tariff benefit.
(b) Each committee shall maintain the information transmitted under paragraph (a), and the written disclosures for any congressional earmarks, limited tax benefits, or limited tariff benefits included in any measure reported by the committee or conference report filed by the chair of the committee or any subcommittee thereof shall be open for public inspection.

18. (a) A Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner may not engage in a sexual relationship with any employee of the House who works under the supervision of the Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner, or who is an employee of a committee on which the Member, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner serves. This paragraph does not apply with respect to any relationship between two people who are married to each other.

(b) A Member, Delegate, Resident Commissioner, officer, or employee of the House may not engage in unwelcome sexual advances or conduct towards another Member, Delegate, Resident Commissioner, officer, or employee of the House.
(c) In this clause, the term ‘employee’ includes an applicant for employment, a paid or unpaid intern (including an applicant for an internship), a detailee, and an individual participating in a fellowship program.

19. (a) In this Code of Official Conduct, the term ‘‘officer or employee of the House’’ means an individual whose compensation is disbursed by the Chief Administrative Officer.

(b) An individual whose services are compensated by the House pursuant to a consultant contract shall be considered an employee of the House for purposes of clauses 1, 2, 3, 4, 8, 9, and 13 of this rule. An individual whose services are compensated by the House pursuant to a consultant contract may not lobby the contracting committee or the members or staff of the contracting committee on any matter. Such an individual may lobby other Members, Delegates, or the Resident Commissioner or staff of the House on matters outside the jurisdiction of the contracting committee. In the case of such an individual who is a member or employee of a firm, partnership, or other business organization, the other members and employees of the firm, partnership, or other business organization shall be subject to the same restrictions on lobbying that apply to the individual under this paragraph.

onethatcares

(16,166 posts)
39. these are the words and works
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 06:42 PM
Nov 2019

the founders dealt with.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, this maladministration is trying to run roughshod over the entire concept of honesty and honor.

Thank you Babylonsister for reminding of this.

NotASurfer

(2,149 posts)
34. Trafficant was expelled from the House for committing a felony
Sat Nov 23, 2019, 02:10 PM
Nov 2019

ie accepting a bribe. Usually a member of the House will resign before it gets to that point of expulsion.

I believe that participating in acts of extortion would be a felony if it came to trial. May not happen with Barr in office, but it's why criminal referrals matter. There is a statute of limitations and the next Attorney General might just decide to do the job Barr is supposed to be doing now.

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