Is Pelosi about ready to pull the trigger?

[kentuck]

And tell the Judiciary Committee to begin writing up the Articles of Impeachment?

She may be curious about the Court decision tomorrow with Don McGahn? If the Judge rules that Mr McGahn does not have the right to withhold information from a Congressional impeachment inquiry, Speaker Pelosi will not be inclined to wait further if McGahn signals that he is going to appeal the decision once again. Time cannot wait on cowards and traitors.

She will ask the House to do its duty and follow the law and the Constitution. She will pass the Articles out of the whole House and send them to the Senate. It will be a test of integrity for many in the Senate. Do they support their president or do they support their Country and their Constitution? That is a decision they will have to make.

[mopinko]

1. i suspect they are being written already. she knows that

the important testimony will be in the senate, and there will be time for this shit to get through the courts before that happens.

[H2O Man]

8. Right.

The House Democrats' legal team has been outlining the articles for a couple of weeks. They are coming close to a final draft, which combines the works of the different committees. Although they can add to these if needed, they are confident that they have a strong case now.

It's important to remember that each artice of impeachment will contain several specific offenses. For example, obstructing the congressional investigations can include the failure to produce documents and witnesses in both the Mueller and Ukraine unvestigations.

We are lucky that we have legal minds such as Dan Goldman working on these.

(I recommended the OP.)

[mopinko]

17. goldman has been great.

[rzemanfl]

2. For a long, long, time I waited for someone to

DO SOMETHING. Now something has finally been done. I hope impeachment is not rushed. This needs to boil and bubble in the cauldron for a good long time while the Repigs dig their hole deeper. This is, after all, a "witch hunt," the more who can be bagged, the better IMHO.

[CrispyQ]

9. Totally agree.

Other committees are also investigating. We need public hearings from all of them. I don't see how rushing this benefits the dems at all!

[rzemanfl]

10. Glad you do. n/t

[dewsgirl]

3. After Thanksgiving.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212718258

[beachbumbob]

4. no rush at this point what so ever

[empedocles]

7. The Speaker has quoted Lincoln, 'public sentiment is everything'.

Quite likely that the Speaker knows that the quote was not an offhand conjecture. Lincoln in 1858 was embroiled in the Lincoln-Douglas debates.

The full quote:

'In this and like communities, public sentiment is everything.
With public sentiment, nothing can fail; without it nothing can succeed.
Consequently, he who moulds public sentiment,
goes deeper than he who enacts statutes, or pronounces judicial decisions.

[Ottawa debate]

(Pelosi seems to be taking great care, and with success, and patience, in 'moulding' public sentiment).

[evertonfc]

5. reports I'm seeing

are all saying they are already being written and this weekend a group of attorneys were working on just that.

[magicarpet]

6. Let more evidence leak and bubble to the surface,...

Let the court cases to access witnesses and documentary evidence wind their way through the courts and appeals. Then late summer early fall slam the Emperor of Orange with his impeachment removal case in the US Senate.

He blocked the investigation, he dragged everything through the court, he appealed and then appealed the court rulings again and again. Now his impeachment case is just prior to the 2020 election because he delayed and delayed justice and the US Constitution's specific mention that congress maintains oversight of the executive branch of government.

If the impeachment and election overlap one another - trDump can thank himself for that alone.

[rzemanfl]

11. Well said. I believe allowing Drumpf to be a lame duck President would be a disaster.

It all depends on how many Repuke Senators are compromised.

[kentuck]

15. Interesting strategy.

Pelosi is very patient.

[DFW]

12. I suspect the reaction of Republican Senators will differ

Some will flat out rail against the House move, and some will voice "concern" over it--and THEN rail against it.

Retired Republican senator Jeff Flake will state that he "would have been torn" over his decision. What he will NOT say is that of COURSE he would have done whatever McTurtle told him to do. I'm somewhat apprehensive that his "Democratic" successor will do the same thing.

[Fiendish Thingy]

13. Her next step must be to remove Nunes from the Intelligence Committee

Then, depending on the McGahn ruling, more hearings may be justified (if not by intelligence, then by Oversight or Judiciary, but really, Schiff is the best to handle all this).

At first I was in favor of impeachment before Christmas, but now I'm thinking it might better to continue hearings during the primaries, with an impeachment vote around the Conventions, triggering a trial in Fall 2020...I guess it depends on how much more evidence can be put into the record, between FOIA document dumps and court rulings to compel compliance with subpeonas.

[StarfishSaver]

14. Maybe, maybe not

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He could be just as dangerous - or even more so - off the committee as on. If Pelosi removes him from the Committee, we'll have a shish show of a circus about how he's a victim of retaliation, a coverup, etc. It doesn't have to be true to become a huge distraction. And once he's off, he can still get access to the information - surely Jordan, Ratcliffe and others will feed him whatever he wants - so he'd still be a problem, especially without Daddy Schiff around to rein him in.

Another, possibly better alternative is for the bipartisan Ethics Committee to handle it. If they find he's violated any rules, they can recommend his removal, as well as other sanctions, and it would be a lot harder for Trump, Nunes, et al to exploit it.

[OnDoutside]

18. Yes, clean hands would be a better look.

[Brother Buzz]

16. Wrap it up after the conclusion of the first act of the play?