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(37,999 posts)Moostache
(9,895 posts)Its over.
The GOP is not going to give a single vote to Impeach, then not a single vote to convict even if a goddamn video surfaces of Trump secretly kidnapping Zelensky's wife and threatening to kill her if he doesn't get interviews on Fox and Friends before Christmas promising "investigations" (no need for an actual, you know, REAL investigation or timeline or findings even...just the words, so they can be fed to the moron brigade still enthralled by the single dumbest man to ever seize the position of POTUS...
The "rigged game" Trump promised so often in 2016 has come to pass. The Constitution is in shreds and the entirety of rule of law is a sick joke now. Violence and warfare to seize the power are sure to follow.
USA - 1776 - 2019
We gave it a try...but we could not keep the republic in the end...
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Moostache
(9,895 posts)That's nice. Its a fine sentiment and a great way to hope this is not all going to end the way things went in 1914 or 1939 or 1861. It just won't matter IMO...it did not in 2000 in FL, in 2004 in OH or in MI, PA, WI in 2016.
I pray you get to tell me you told me so, that I am dead wrong, that the world will still make some sense next November, that ROOM 101 is still just a literary reference, that Pigs and Men are too...but from my vantage point now, unlikely seems a kind estimate. The nation has lost its soul. Evil men are in power and have no intention of surrendering it either...
Not a damn thing has changed at all since 2015...literally nothing. People STILL use social media as if it were true...millions are easily duped into fighting and don't see the hands pulling the strings, stacking the decks, rigging the results. The economy is completely the same as its been since about 1975 - with the gains stuck in the top 0.1%, the top 10% getting by and the rest falling further behind daily, hourly even. Social issues are NOT solved or addressed, they are crisis managed off the front pages and number of likes and retweets but still simmer and burn with resentments and ill will.
Trump was 'elected' (with the help of Russians, an archaic monument to pandering to slave owners in the 18th century that allows a candidate to garner more votes and STILL watch the loser assume the office anyway, and craven GOP cowards) and he is utterly inept, unqualified, a total disaster and STILL he commands nearly 43% of this country's TOTAL subservience and capitulation. Instead of reality exposing this shit storm for what it is, it seems to slide off like Teflon coating is preventing it from sticking at all.
He has bribed, extorted, fired competence without cause or reason, installed ignorance and graft and hate without consequence, demanded loyalty while giving none, wiped his ass with the Constitution, destroyed the rule of law and undermined the military chain of command and discipline...and projects to be re-elected anyway. Honestly, I admire your hope...hope that knocking on doors will overcome millions of ignorant dupes willing to believe ANYTHING if gives them a scapegoat or frees them from confronting reality.
This man and his insanity should be polling below 25% AT FUCKING BEST and he remains EXACTLY where he was before Mueller, before Ukraine, before Impeachment, before 2016, before 2020...its a goddamn Greek tragedy in real time and I can't change the channel or see a way out of this mess. I wish you the best in holding onto that hope, but much like prisoners serving life sentences, or maybe just the exercise yard wisdom of Red from "The Shawshank Redemption"...hope can be a dangerous thing. I am not Andy Dufraine by any means right now...
Like I said, I hope with everything left of my tortured and depressed soul that you are right and I am wrong and I can read about it while eating crow next November. But I have no hope. No faith. No belief that this country will survive the next 20 years or that human society will survive the next 100.
stlstdg
(34 posts)I'm not sure what point there is to this kind of we-are-doomed defeatism.
I guess we should all just throw up our hands and go home, then. I should just stop making any more contributions
to my candidate, or to any other Democrat or progressive cause. They might as well just shut down this site,
and we all just might as well go somewhere and curl up and die.
There's no hope anyway.
I feel your pain, and your despair is obvious, but come on, dude.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)Nothing stops the insanity, or the acceleration of it, in our society right now...facts from experts are treated as opinion, opinions of fools are treated as gospel truth and gospel truth is twisted to defend a man of negative character.
War criminals are 'heroes' and Heroes are 'traitors'.
Up is down, down is up and Facebook doesn't give a fuck as long as the check clears.
Billionaires are fighting back, claiming 'persecution' (we should ALL be so put upon) and people with NOTHING are listening and sympathizing?
No, hope is dead and you may be right...it may not matter one damn bit from here out.
The Earth is on fire, Western liberal-democracy society is frayed and tearing everywhere, and we as Democrats are debating who can be the most middle of the road progressive, or the best white friend to the 'black voter' or whether or not health care for profit is an inherent EVIL or simply the only thing we can get the nation to accept or whether some members of the party are too against being what one is born as to vote for them...
No, hope does not live here any longer. Maybe you can have enough faith for us both? I am tapped out and stunned by the total lack of redemption coming from this country and the loss of a future worth caring about.
SCOTUS will be 7-2 Conservative for as long as we abide the current status quo.
Religious purity tests and fractional fighting will dominate the debates and women will have ZERO reproductive rights that do not come with a th or 6th zero on the check.
The Senate will command undue power and obstruction instead of deliberation for as long as money is allowed to buy influence and corruption while being called "speech".
This shit storm is a Category 5 swamping everything in its path. I don't believe boarding the windows will help, but staying in touch with the people who won't be looking to sacrifice goats (or intellectuals) in the next 30 years seems to be the only safe play left...I have no hope for "winning" or "change" or plain " restoring the nation". I only want to know there are still pockets of sanity to flee to once the worst becomes reality...
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,000 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Why don't you go find another pocket of sanity to flee to?
This pocket still wants to fight.
Alithea
(99 posts)It's hard to argue with yous logic. I've analyzed the crap out of the situation too and, yeah, things look pretty bleak. I feel your pain. But don't go gargling Drain-O yet. The country needs good minds. Can't afford to lose any.
Also, cause for hope and faith:
1) His health stats aren't great. He won't be around forever. This too shall pass.
2) Hillary got more votes. The majority is sane.
3) There are plenty of pockets of sanity to flee to; surprisingly nice ones.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,000 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)We need another election like that, and spreading your negative cheer will not help.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,000 posts)If you truly believed what you wrote, you would emigrate to another country like Canada or New Zealand. When do you go?
The USA is not over.
We heard your kind of dumping when Ronald Reagan was elected, when Nixon got a second term, when Shrub Bush got a second term. It was as anti-productive then as it is now and just as wrong.
NotHardly
(1,062 posts)Wawannabe
(5,656 posts)I cant watch. I could. But cant. Cant watch him...
What???? Reference or text info would be awesome! Thx
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)Everyone should have saw this video back in May of 2016 when the video was post on Youtube, but the media was too busy fawning all over Trump instead of reporting the news.