Speaking of the idea of censure as a "safer" alternative to impeachment...

[guillaumeb]

what leads anyone to believe that any GOP Congress member would support censure?

The GOP defense of Trump now seems to be, yes, he did it, he demanded a payoff, but that is not impeachable. And we know that this GOP defense has evolved many times, mainly to fit new evidence that is revealed, but it is obvious, or should be obvious, that no matter what evidence or no matter who many separate offenses there are, the GOP will never vote to do anything.

If the House were to merely pass a motion to censure, it would be with zero GOP support or votes.

And the same goes for the GOP controlled Senate. Yes, Susan Collins would express her sincere concern, and perhaps one or two others as well, but any motion to censure would never pass a floor vote.

[stopdiggin]

1. a vote of censure doesn't have to go to the Senate

I still think it's a retreat .. a bad idea, and bad politics.

[guillaumeb]

3. I agree.

The GOP would spin it as an admission that Trump was innocent of bribery.

[hlthe2b]

2. Apparently there are a few (hopefully a very few) naive' and cowardly members among the

Democratic caucus. I surely hope they hear from their constituents.

[guillaumeb]

4. Agreed.

The evidence is there. All that remains is to act upon that evidence.

[no_hypocrisy]

5. It really isn't about actual removal or censure.

It's holding Trump responsible for his actions. It's for voters in 2020 to use to vote him out of office. The accusations WILL stick even without a conviction.

[guillaumeb]

7. Agreed. The GOP is on record as saying they will do nothing.

And all of the evidence suggests Trump is guilty of this.

[emulatorloo]

6. "Censure" means he can still ask for foreign help in 2020 elections as long as he doesn't get caught

Eom

[guillaumeb]

8. Of course.

And he would do it. He feels he can continue to avoid legal actions.

[Scoopster]

9. The law says that too, according to these criminals

Why would they care about censure when they don't give two shits about the law?

[Fiendish Thingy]

10. Censure is the coward's option

If Trump doesn’t deserve impeachment, then all is lost...

[guillaumeb]

12. What Trump desreves, and what the GOP will do are two very differnt things. eom

[kentuck]

11. Censure would get the same number of votes as impeachment...

...it would be meaningless.

[guillaumeb]

13. True, in part. But history still reveals Nixon to be a criminal who resigned

to avoid impeachment.

Meaningful would be a 2020 Presidential victory for the Democrats, and retaking the Senate.