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kpete

(71,965 posts)
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 09:39 PM Nov 2019

So Much Evidence: Eisenberg knows a lot.

The impeachment inquiry has been crippled from the beginning by the Exec Branch's obstruction, and its refusal to produce any records to the House.

But detailed, contemporaneous documentation showing Sondland lied in his testimony does exist. Because the NSC lawyers have it.


Trust me, Amazing thread!

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To see why, here's a quick recap of how the Ukraine matter unfolded, from the viewpoint of the National Security Council's top lawyer, John Eisenberg.

Thanks to @AmbJohnBolton, who made sure his subordinates went in to document every step along the way, Eisenberg knows a lot.

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July 10: Sondland attends the Ward Room meeting with the Ukrainian delegation, and tells the Ukrainians that he and Chief of Staff Mulvaney have an agreement – if the Ukrainians go forward with their investigations, Zelensky will get his White House meeting with the president.



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Later on July 10: After the Ward Room meeting, Fiona Hill goes to Eisenberg's office. She tells him Bolton sent her to report what had happened during the meeting with the Ukrainians, and Sondland's agreement to give Zelensky a WH visit in exchange for opening the investigations.


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Also on July 10: Vindman separately goes to NSC legal to report the meeting, and gives the whole backstory to Eisenberg. He explains that for months Giuliani has been pushing the Ukrainians for an investigation into Biden/2016, and that now Sondland was asking for the same thing.



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July 25: Per Eisenberg's instructions to "come back to me" if there were more concerns, Vindman return to NSC legal to report the phone call he had just heard between Pres. Trump and Pres. Zelensky.

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Vindman tells Eisenberg that in the call with Zelensky, Trump had made the same request for investigations that both Giuliani and Sondland had previously been pressuring the Ukrainians for. Trump had specifically requested that Zelensky investigate both Biden and the DNC.



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Also on July 25: Vindman's new boss, Tim Morrison, was on the Zelensky call as well. That same day, independent of Vindman, he goes to NSC legal to report what had happened on the July 25th call.



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abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
1. "and the truth will set you/us free" is found in the Wholly Writ in John 8:23. For tRUMP The Chump,
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 09:47 PM
Nov 2019

not so much since the truth is his undoing.

magicarpet

(14,124 posts)
2. They should not rush this to the House Impeachment and then rush it off to the Senate for trial.
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 10:05 PM
Nov 2019

Let the evidence trickle in little by little. They had a chance to fast track this at the White House but they will not testify or produce the relevant documents so proper oversight can be done as the US Constitution stipulates.

Their lack of cooperation as to revealing the truth and facts to properly investigate caused the pace to assume a snail's crawl and they only have themselves to blame that the investigation is now on top of the national fall 2020 election cycle.

Surprise,.. surprise,.. when you take a cavalier approach to the rule of law, justice, ethics, and corruption it gums up a Democracy to the degree it becomes dysfunctional and unworkable. Government can not run smoothly when facts are based upon fabrications, concocted and outlandish conspiracy theories, and blatant smears and lies.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
4. They should also not impeach da bum right before Christmas...it's just bad optics. Now to set off
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 10:42 PM
Nov 2019

the new year...now that's a whole different thing.

magicarpet

(14,124 posts)
5. Isn't Eisenberg along with Morrison...
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 10:45 PM
Nov 2019

.... the guys who after so many complains about the trDump/Zelensky call took the call transcripts out of the regular data base and placed all of the call records in the super top secret data base to make it inaccessible with the hopes it would be forgotten and the illegalities would never be publicly revealed.

If not for the Whistle Blower and the Inspector General this would have disappeared from the congress or public's knowledge.

DOJ - AG Barr reviewed the Whistle Blowers and Inspector Generals complaints saying there was nothing illegal here. Refrained from forwarding the complaint to the FEC,.. (asking for something of value from a foreign entity to be used to help candidate trDump 2020).

DOJ - AG Barr - Eisenberg - Morrison were all willing and ready to bury this whole Ukraine matter and keep it a secret from public knowledge and any oversight by the congressional branch to protect dear leader - Mango Mussolini.

Obvious and painfully apparent - once again the DOJ - AG Barr - and now Eisenberg (incidentally he is Michael Flynn's buddy/pal) and Morrison are not to be trusted to defend the US Constitution or Rule of Law or adhere to their oath of office.

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