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bigoted, gullible and evil?
I am perplexed that Trump can still be supported by such a large percent of the population.
I guess there are just more ignorant, vile people in this country than I would have thought
Edit;
One adjective I left off....SELFISH!
wryter2000
(46,023 posts)I knew those people existed, but I never dreamed there were so many of them.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)How dumb people are
Stuart G
(38,414 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)ergo, he was not re-elected.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,129 posts)RKP5637
(67,088 posts)RKP5637
(67,088 posts)about half the people around me are likely stupid, bigoted, gullible and evil.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)The first are the under educated, under employed white people. The second are the out and out racists. The third are the uber rich and the wish they were uber rich who think of him as "one of them", protecting their money, making sure they don't have to share anything.
All three are vile.
northoftheborder
(7,569 posts)Some believe Trump is "brought by God"; some believe in the "End Times" and that we are near that; Some love his anti-abortion judges, and the prayer groups instituted by Pompeo in the State Dept., and in the military. Those things "trump" everything else: the dishonesty, depravity, ignorance, racism, misogyny, laziness, selfishness, cruelty, and don't leave out - allowing himself to become a Russian asset.
Unbelievable.
Iggo
(47,535 posts)Beartracks
(12,801 posts)... all the rightwing crap from FOX and talk radio that liberals are the root of all evil -- who just "know" that ANY Republican is better than ANY Democrat.
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KPN
(15,637 posts)that government IS the problem and minimum government the answer.
Beartracks
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paleotn
(17,884 posts)and Medicare covering most of their healthcare costs. Damn that government!
LiberalLovinLug
(14,165 posts)And even within that segment their are two kinds.
1. They disbelieve every and all accusations against him, ignoring facts and proof. Believe its all 'fake news' meant to take down a Godly good man who is doing everything he can in the wake of the attacks from the Devil and the Democrats and the Liberal Godless Media. They purposely would never even watch something like the witnesses speaking in the impeachment process. If they don't hear it, it didn't happen. But even of the things they have seen and heard, like the Hollywood Access tapes, his insulting tweets, they can excuse it all as human frailty. That "deep down" he's a decent man and a GREAT leader, appointing conservative anti-abortion judges.
2. They accept he's admitted he has not accepted God as his saviour, or a Christian. They accept all his words and deeds, like caging children and sending mothers back to gang infested neighbourhoods in the country they were fleeing from....
A lot of the unrest of course was incubated in the decades that the US was supporting the right wing dictatorships that totally corrupted those States and did nothing to help the poor, and wrote a history of torture, murder, and poverty which created the neighbourhoods that these immigrants are fleeing from. But I digress.
...add to that all of his cheating on wives, fraudulent University, fraudulent foundation, horrible insults, sexism, racism, bragging, lying, all of it, and cling to the belief that he is the new King Percy. I've also heard King Solomon. King Herod. Leaders from the Bible that God allegedly used to indirectly do His will. Or create the situation that facilitate actions like they hope with things like reversing Roe vs Wade.
Both of these leanings are sick. The first because they are living in a fantasy world. This is the scariest group, because there is no arguing with them, they are brainwashed and lost. The second is trying desparately to make excuses in order not to admit they made a mistake in voting for him. That at least its better to have a Godless Republican than a Godless Democrat. That they are convinced that a Democrat would be just as, if not more, of a liar and a cheat.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,966 posts)triron
(21,984 posts)Even MSNBC and CNN Have normalized Trump and buy into much of the republican propaganda.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)I have mentioned here before that I also see them as being in two camps.
The first is the supporter. They support him, but are not radical and extreme, so certain events could sway them to change their minds over time. However, don't expect them to acknowledge that overtly.
Then, there are the more mindless, devoted loyalists who are troubling. Those are the ones that are of greatest concern. I don't see today's loyalists in McAmerica taking a bullet or falling on their swords for their authoritarian chosen one, but they can and will overlook anything that does not fit their confirmation bias and would literally let him get away with murder while making some excuse for it.
It is the second kind that I think are more of a minority but they are getting way too much attention as a spectacle that seems to play to sensationalism in various media.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,373 posts)the dumbasses are actually the majority. Luckily for us a fair number cant find a polling place even when its a floor above the basement at Moms house where they live.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)NoMoreRepugs
(9,373 posts)in our elections..... seems to me a possibility a reasonable % of that 40% may not be NASA scientists.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Moostache
(9,895 posts)Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Martin Eden
(12,847 posts)The grand total is far too high, and all are susceptible to a demagogue like Don the Con.
RainCaster
(10,842 posts)and I know that there are a large number of very ignorant people, even in my blue state.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,610 posts)I thought he was being elitist. I now know that he was right. Thanks, Dad.
DENVERPOPS
(8,790 posts)"WILLFULLY IGNORANT" is probably the best description.....
louis-t
(23,273 posts)..."deliberately misled"
progressoid
(49,951 posts)That's just math.
The GOP just happens to attract most of the dumb half.
JustAnotherGen
(31,783 posts)They aren't stupid.
They aren't gullible.
Not surprised they are indeed the FACE of Evil in America and that their bigotry, prejudice, racism (whatever one wants to call it) is conscious.
I'm never letting them off the hook and I'm never going to let them forget WHAT they are and what they said and did during this time.
We did that before in this country. It was a monumental failure that leads to the BIGOTS in America Uprising today.
Bring the bastards to heel.
Mazeltov Cocktail
(569 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)cry baby
(6,682 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)a politician, he is an entertainer. Politicians have supporters, entertainers have fans.
Many people are so disconnected from reality that they think that TV shows, etc. are reality. They glom on to this reality TV star, and think that the evil that he does is no more dangerous than that done by J. R. Ewing of "Dallas".
To them, a vote for president of the United States is no more consequential than a vote for somebody on "American Idol".
vapor2
(1,240 posts)that there are so many stupid people. A few of my friends chose him for one reason and one reason only, whether it be religion or immigration. Many have unfollowed or unfiriended me on FB due to the truth about this monster.
johnp3907
(3,730 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)But then the next day it's worse.
Richard D
(8,741 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,488 posts)and allow their news media to become unaccountable entertainment centers with profit as their prime motivation.
An out-of-control M&A system with corporations too big to fail doesn't help either......
Those factors destroyed most of our unified, close-knit communities across America that built this nation.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Its more upsetting than I can describe.
Martin Eden
(12,847 posts)I've always thought the bitter divisions between ordinary people in this country was fostered and encouraged by Big Money interests that need us to be at each other's throats to prevent us from uniting for our own common interests.
Then Putin's puppet came along to exploit those divisions. Divide and conquer from within is the most effective strategy to take down a stronger foe, along with getting an enemy to use its own strength against itself.
The latter is what Osama bin Laden did with GW Bush, getting us mired in two long term very costly wars of occupation which have metastasized jihadism and recruited the next generation of terrorists rather than winning the "war on terror."
Botany
(70,449 posts)For many in Trump's base, lower economic level white people he tells that it is OK to
scratch that "dumb fuck itch" and damn does it feel good to 'em. But every day more
and more get peeled away from Trump although I heard from a good source that we
a solid 25% of America who will almost never leave Trump.
Ohiogal
(31,924 posts)OliverQ
(3,363 posts)But then Hitler rose to power with 33% of German citizens backing him, so it seems like 1/3 of all societies are inherently evil and stupid.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
StarryNite
(9,440 posts)Mind boggling.
bitterross
(4,066 posts)Most days I wonder who dresses most people and sends them to work or school.
captain queeg
(10,103 posts)I think many of them dont really believe Trumps BS but they just love to own the libtards.
Auggie
(31,133 posts)Read The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion by Jonathan Haidt -- a solid argument that a lot of "stupidity" is based on group morals.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Auggie
(31,133 posts)OhZone
(3,212 posts)don't have real core morals.
They're morals are hiearchical and not universally applied.
Oh well.
Auggie
(31,133 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)And that's all I'll say about that. I won't elaborate.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)There is a streak of meanness in some people that cannot be explained. The best you can do is refuse to pass it on to the next generation.
richdj25
(162 posts)reaching for reasons a-plenty but the bottom line which fits all this is 400 years of systemic racism. Even those you depict as good people who are being misguided are a part of the game.
they're afraid of the minority-majority thing coming up, and is under the guise they're going to be mistreated in the same manner as brown and black people are today.
400 years is a lot to give up the gravy, or at least share.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)edhopper
(33,487 posts)is my second adjective.
mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)NotHardly
(1,062 posts)Time has taught me that although people should be treated equally and equitably, there is no such thing as 'common sense'. We arrive in this "codified world" filled with systems of belief, fortune to poverty, physiologically and psychologically different based on our biology and genetic inheritances to be buffeted and battered by unique circumstances and experiences... outcomes vary and the further one strays or wanders from the center of their 'first world' the greater such differences appear and exist. Furthermore, no such thing because outside of one's immediate family and/neighborhood, no one has the same experiences, so I always chuckle when I see someone or hear someone speak about 'common sense' ... to which I say, "If it is so damn common, why don't people use it more often." What they really are saying is, "I know what and how to do and so do my closest friends, how come no one thinks exactly like I do?"... well, unless they have had the same general upbringing, started with the same general bio-psycho traits, and were gifted with the same sociological-educational-wealth (national, ethnic, economic) blessings, they just are not you.
Hate and fear are generated by looking at others and expecting to find ourselves wherever our gaze rests... that expectation in reality is most perplexing.
50 Shades Of Blue
(9,928 posts)The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)This is is my aunt by marriage. She was raised in an authoritarian family, and is an authoritarian herself. She is also poorly educated, and could care less, as her brand of religion sees education as "of this world." Trump is just the man for her, and is her idea of a success as a human being, because he appears to be rich and thus blessed by God.
usaf-vet
(6,163 posts)Players make so much money and live lifestyles that are only possible by the millions of dollars the fans dump into supporting the games. Yet here we have a father that is teaching his kid to shoot a gun encase a 79-year-old senior citizen Bernie Sanders gets elected President.
This dad is teaching his kids to hate and pointing them toward violence. What a sad commentary of the world Trump and drag us all into.
Well, one more reason to not spend one cent on any major sports enterprise.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/nov/27/aubrey-huff-bernie-sanders-shooting-range-baseball
Arthur_Frain
(1,840 posts)But many of the trump supporters arent stupid, they were groomed.
Just like the Nigerian Prince scam caught lots of people who ended up getting stiffed for a helluva lot of money. Whod be so stupid? Right?
The number of books written on human nature would fill two or three Empire State Buildings from top to bottom. They still cant force you to do anything that you dont want to do, and it is more difficult to induce you to do something that is against your general tendencies, but having said that, they can predict how people will react with alarming accuracy. Especially when you introduce a certain set of stressors.
And what has the right wing media and spin machine spent the last 40 years doing? Ginning up fear. Demonizing the enemy. Spreading disinformation, misinformation, focusing all the indignation and anger. As I warned my ma years ago when I caught her listening to savage, if you listen long enough you find their words coming out of your mouth unbidden. Theres a lot of science behind what they do and the people they hire to do it are very charismatic.
I know otherwise intelligent people who voted for him.
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)Raging testosterone, unfortunately
Onthefly
(154 posts)say that Little Donnie represents the white, hardworking, true Americans. He is stirring things up so the immigrants and poor blacks will see that their handouts are going to end. They say that he is making the workingman proud to be part of the true America.
I ask them if they see Little Donnie as a lying bigot who is only after self-praise.
They say that Im an too stupid to see how the white people got sold old by liberals.
.....,,,,?$&&&lmklngk c !!vncfhkk...no point in arguing as they are are cultists.
edhopper
(33,487 posts)stupid, bigoted, gullible and evil.
alterfurz
(2,469 posts)CottonBear
(21,596 posts)7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)No one...has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.
DFW
(54,302 posts)And his observations have only been reinforced over the years.
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)having us pegged: "On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
This little sub thread got me reading Mencken quotes. Wow, some real gems, right up there with Carlin and Twain.
VOX
(22,976 posts)For no better reason than to own the libs, or to make libs cry. They might perceive Democrats as a demonic enemy, sworn to snatch away their imperfect vessel the hate-spewing mouthpiece, along with their high-capacity, death-dealing, high-caliber security blankets.
The Electoral College MUST go. Otherwise, the Republicans will keep winning elections while losing the popular vote.
Americans love to judge; even more, tragically, they love to be so brazenly prejudiced.
LudwigPastorius
(9,110 posts)We've all been raised with a little American Exceptionalism. It has been steeped in our culture and public schools for years and years. Part of that is the supposition that we aren't inherently evil. But, the entirety of human history undercuts that.
There is something deep in mankind's collective psyche, evolution, or genetic makeup that, when triggered by a sense of threat and a manipulative demagogue, would allow 1/3 of us stand and watch as another 1/3 rounded up and killed the last 1/3.
See: every genocide ever
mdbl
(4,973 posts)I remember when it was started. Looks like it's just a few right wing morons posting.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,429 posts)Their impulsiveness distances them from reasonable problem solving. Impulsiveness means, "get it done now." Trumpy appeals to this tendency. He's the strongman dictator who unilaterally decides what's best. Impulsive people can't wait for representative deliberations. They want their cookie NOW. Trumpy is perfect for them. He oozes with grievances, just like his angry and impulsive base. He says, "Only I can fix stuff." One person. Perfect for the impulsive, angry segment. Of course, in reality, he can't do shit without violating the Constitution, but his base really doesn't care. They don't know enough about the Constitution to value it. That's why impeachment means nothing to them. It's a Constitutional process. His base doesn't give a shit. That Trumpy's marketing ploys fit perfectly with Putin and Russia also means nothing to his base. They don't care. They don't have an historical perspective on how Russia wants to damage the US because they aren't interested in defending the US. They aren't interested because they take it for granted that the US is stable and forever, and will always feed them with the accoutrements of a capitalist society. Civil rights are taken for granted. As long as they remain politically passive and get their creature comforts, anyone can rule over them, Putin included.
Oh, but if they visibly lose purchasing power or some basic freedoms, and they protest or show some unrest, THAT'S when an authoritarian leader like Trumpy will crush them. Right now, they have no idea what's in store for them if they start playing "democracy" with an authoritarian dictator like Trumpy. He has no interest in EVER leaving office. We already know that he has no internal controls and has no limits to what he will do to maintain power. For as long as his base feels comfortable with him, he'll continue to consolidate power to prevent ANY notion that there must be a passing of the political baton. IOW, unless the GOP Senate REMOVES him from power, he'll never leave for as long as his heart beats.
ancianita
(35,949 posts)I feel you, though. When I feel like you, I remember one more thing.
There's more to evil than stupidity. There is stealth.
"Intelligent" evil have used stealth and opportunity to shove even the well meaning stupids toward directions we have now found ourselves in.
The evil of them all is how they hide from the rest of us, because they know what they do.
Take the Bush "intelligent" legal team, prepped by "intelligent" John Roberts, DC corporate lawyer at the time, and "intelligent" justices of SCOTUS who helped GW win in 2000. Remember that, too.
Right now we're not just at war with the stupid and gullible. We're in lawyer wars.
Convert your dumbfoundedness to focused vigilance, because it's not enough to find out law exploiters, or monitor them, or punish their clients. We have to ruin them all, legally and economically. It's nothing personal, just the business of democracy.
Catch2.2
(629 posts)It boggles the mind!
MineralMan
(146,262 posts)And there it is. If that is the half that votes, you get what that half wants.
A better question is: Why don't the smart people vote in larger numbers? Answer that question and you will have the solution to your problem. Why do we outsmart ourselves so often?
mudstump
(342 posts)makes me want to start looking for a place in Canada. People there seem to be more kind, thoughtful and understanding...and I think they are smarter too. The dumb runs deep in America.
bucolic_frolic
(43,063 posts)People are very angry. They work hard but the value of their labors is not theirs to keep. The party of business siphons off their labor in the form of profit, and tells them it's the other guys that steal their value for the common good. These people are too stupid to realize they are part of the common good, so they are content with the scapegoat the GOP provides them.
Codifer
(542 posts)There are stupid people either by heredity or environment and hatred can be added to that Venn diagram as well as peer pressure and a twisted world view and an odd interpretation of what reality is and what might be a movie or video game or a prophecy from whatever they hold most holy.
Then I remember reading "The Hidden Persuaders" by Vance Packard written about 60 years ago and dealing mainly with subliminal advertising (big research at that time). It was the art of the subtle placement in ads of images which are only meant to be noticed by the subconscious mind which incite some favor (positive or negative) or emotion. Such research was done by talented and knowledgeable psychologists and sociologists. I think that, if I were one of those researchers, I would have have had to have been aware of the deep interest that, post WW2, governments and intelligence agencies expressed in this means of human manipulation. The idea is sufficiently simple and basic to human nature that gifted laymen figured it out; notably P.T. Barnum who knew that people really WANT to believe and George Orwell who wrote of its dark side. Televangelists and traveling revivals knew it too. Basically put, just grab the subject by the genitals or by his fear (and related hatred) and I understand why all the pretty and long-legged faux news ladies have short skirts and glass desks. While you have their attention on peeking up skirts, feel free to stuff the sub-conscious with fear that libruls are stealing Christmas or renaming thanksgiving or perhaps just the usual two minutes of hate.
Invariably, for me, this path leads to speculation about what the state of that research now, especially with the exponentially increased ability to persuade mass numbers of people via electronic media. I think of MK Ultra, and embassies bombarded by some esoteric forms of microwaves or ultra and subsonics.
Then I realize that I am ass-deep in a conspiracy theory and none of that could, therefore, be true.
I think, then that I must be crazy and I wonder if that is what "being gas lighted" means.
Then I recycle the whole damn thing. Very tiring.
I want to believe that people are good. But I can't.