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orleans

(34,045 posts)
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 04:30 AM Nov 2019

A newly unearthed journal from 1966 shows the coal industry, like the oil industry, was long aware o

(this makes me sick)

"Coal knew, too
A newly unearthed journal from 1966 shows the coal industry, like the oil industry, was long aware of the threat of climate change."

“Exxon knew.” Thanks to the work of activists and journalists, those two words have rocked the politics of climate change in recent years, as investigations revealed the extent to which giants like Exxon Mobil and Shell were aware of the danger of rising greenhouse gas emissions even as they undermined the work of scientists.

"But the coal industry knew, too — as early as 1966, a newly unearthed journal shows.

“There is evidence that the amount of carbon dioxide in the earth’s atmosphere is increasing rapidly as a result of the combustion of fossil fuels,” wrote Garvey. “If the future rate of increase continues as it is at the present, it has been predicted that, because the CO2 envelope reduces radiation, the temperature of the earth’s atmosphere will increase and that vast changes in the climates of the earth will result.”

“Such changes in temperature will cause melting of the polar icecaps, which, in turn, would result in the inundation of many coastal cities, including New York and London,” he continued."

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/coal-industry-climate-change_n_5dd6bbebe4b0e29d7280984f?fbclid=IwAR0i6A_WhGNw7XKpScFwsOr51rSM5M8um-OBHm0nSLnmsRoFv2E3ddq2tzI

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A newly unearthed journal from 1966 shows the coal industry, like the oil industry, was long aware o (Original Post) orleans Nov 2019 OP
K&R jpak Nov 2019 #1
Crimes against humanity. silverweb Nov 2019 #2
As usual in the industry, short term gains Hav Nov 2019 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2019 #6
Just like the tobacco industry knew what tobacco does and waged a campaign to Cosmocat Nov 2019 #4
It depends on the capitalism JonLP24 Nov 2019 #5
every once in awhile orleans Nov 2019 #7
K&R smirkymonkey Nov 2019 #8

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
2. Crimes against humanity.
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 06:40 AM
Nov 2019

If governments would seize fossil fuel assets to pay for cleanup and revamping our energy systems, and put the corporations and all the execs on trial for crimes against humanity, then we (and many other species) might actually have a future. Government passivity in the face of knowing planetary destruction is very hard to understand.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
3. As usual in the industry, short term gains
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 07:27 AM
Nov 2019

in exchange for longterm disasters and people dying.
But I am actually a bit surprised about the clear and concise description of the effects of CO2. So easy for everyone who is willing to understand it. I was taught pretty much the same in elementary school in the late 80s. It's clear why the industry is invested in fighting this knowledge, but you have to ask why it's still possible to make this a controversy for the public. At least 50 years have passed, yet people can still act as if the science isn't clear about this.

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Cosmocat

(14,562 posts)
4. Just like the tobacco industry knew what tobacco does and waged a campaign to
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 08:19 AM
Nov 2019

gaslight the the country.

All this "the market is sacred" bullshit, time after time after time we see big business acting badly chasing profits and not doing this mystical "reacting to the market" thing.

It takes GOVERNMENT LEADERSHIP to course correct.

Yes, capitalism is the best economic model, but there HAS TO BE A BALANCE - proper regulation and oversight and the course of the country set by our elected leaders in a manner that serves the people and humanity the best.

BUT, the stupid in this country is so thick at this point ...

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
5. It depends on the capitalism
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 08:24 AM
Nov 2019

I like Keynesian economics myself which was implemented during the New Deal era. Calls for a mix of government & private business with regulations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics

For me I find that the Democratic Socialists are closest to Keynesian of the politicians of our era.

What is bad economic policy is lassez faire, trickle down, horse & sparrow theory, supply side, etc. In that case capitalism leaves a lot of homeless not to mention the right wing not only wants those trickle down policies but they also want to slash the safety net.

orleans

(34,045 posts)
7. every once in awhile
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 05:35 AM
Nov 2019

a bad piece of news sticks with me -- i have a problem shaking it off

this is one of them

can't seem to shake this one. i wonder what, if anything, can be done regarding this industry--knowing now that they have known and understood consequences for over fifty years.

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