Has an ectopic pregnancy ever been "reimplanted?"

[Archae]

A guy I know claims it has, but he won't show me any evidence.

[underpants]

1. Given my experience in that area

Nooope

[WhiskeyGrinder]

2. No.

[MineralMan]

3. I've never heard of it happening.

I can't imagine that it would succeed, in any case.

[hlthe2b]

4. Technically it has been done once after a catastrophic first attempt and

the risk to the mother, I believe, was far more than the publication infers. This was experimental and a first stillborn c-section from rupture of the uterus could easily have killed the mother.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3799164

Acta Obstet Gynecol Scand. 1986;65(6):665-6.
Successful tubal reimplantation after rupture of the uterus.
Fredricsson B, Rosenborg L.
Abstract

A 29-year-old woman with primary infertility caused by bilateral isthmical tubal block was operated upon with bilateral cornual resection and tubal implantation. After one uncomplicated childbirth a second fullterm pregnancy ended in fetal catastrophe: the uterus ruptured at both sites of tubal implantation and a stillborn fetus was delivered by emergency cesarean section. One oviduct was detached from the uterus and the other one had to be removed. However, the maternal condition never became critical. Later on, a second tubal reimplantation was performed on the remaining side, and after a first-trimester spontaneous abortion a second healthy infant was born at elective cesarean section.

[sir pball]

18. You're confused by the word "reimplantation" - there was no moving of embryos in that case.

"Tubal (re)implantation" refers to (re)attaching the fallopian tubes to the uterus, it doesn't involve embryos in any way:

...a new opening can be created through the uterine muscle and the remaining tubal segment inserted into the uterine cavity. This microsurgical procedure is called tubal reimplantation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubal_reversal

The woman in the above case was sterile as a result of blocked tubes. She had surgery to open up the tubes, the ends of which were then implanted in her uterine wall. After the first childbirth, the surgery sites ruptured during the second pregnancy. At a later date the remaining tube was re-implanted into her uterine wall, and she went on to have a second child. In all three pregnancies, the embryo settled in the uterus normally. Moving a misplaced embryo as never happened that I can find.

[we can do it]

5. Hell no. And of course it would be a man saying otherwise.

[BuffaloJackalope]

6. It might be possible

If anyone was willing to lose a few thousand embryos in the process of learning how.

[Mister Ed]

7. I have close friends who had to face an ectopic pregnancy 30 years ago.

During the procedure, the doctors evaluated the situation and told them that, in this case, they might be able to move the fetus to the uterus. They warned that there was a high risk of severe damage to the fetus that could result in crippling birth defects if it survived.

My friends had to make that wrenching decision right there on the spot. After agonizing over it together, they chose not to take the risk.

Now it appears that a bunch of know-nothing GOP state legislators in Ohio wish to take make that decision, in advance, for every couple and every doctor - regardless of whether it's even within the realm of possibility in a given situation.

[True Blue American]

14. Lunatic Republicans

We will see if DeWine is crazy enough to sign. Then a Court will throw it out.

[Hekate]

8. No. By the time the woman has had emergency surgery & lost her fallopian tube...

...the fertilized egg is wrecked, non-viable, dead. (Postscript: I see upthread someone actually thought it might be viable.)

The procedure is in no sense an abortion: it is life-saving emergency surgery, because if the fallopian tube ruptures (which it will do if the fertilized egg continues to expand) a woman can bleed to death.

There is no "baby." There is no "fetus." The fallopian tube is tiny, just big enough for an egg and a sperm to pass through.

If you want to go further and see if your acquaintance is amenable to reason, you can look up medical research on ectopic pregnancies online, as there are legitimate sources via universities and research hospitals. Good luck.

[smirkymonkey]

16. +1000

I am so tired of this insanity in the name of "the sanctity of life". It's absolute bullshit! These people have no grasp of science or ethics and are just hell-bent on shoving their religious dogma down everyone's throat whether people want it or not.

[pansypoo53219]

33. the woman is only a vessel, not alive.

[Docreed2003]

26. +1

Spot on assessment. This whole exercise by the Ohio GOP is disgusting and infuriating

[marlakay]

30. Crazy crazy crazy

My daughter had this happen and almost died.

She was not wanting another child nor trying and didn’t know she was pregnant just got very sick and ended up in emergency room.

[dawg day]

10. Lemme see... let's implant foreign material inside a woman's uterus....

What could possibly go wrong.

It's sick. These pregnancies are potentially lethal to the woman and were never meant to be. This is just a sick move from women-hating people. Surely this bill will never pass.

[safeinOhio]

11. If these guys prayed hard enough

it would happen by God's will alone. Oh yea of little faith need to stay away from writing laws.

[DownFromTheMountain]

12. Monumental hypocrisy and idiocy from the religious right.

First, again no mention of the father. And no mention of the Father,(God), whose will this ectopic pregnancy would be. And the fatal nature of an ectopic would be the need for highest level medical science to save the mother, not the bogus replacement story that's being told here. It's clear the men involved here have no idea how deadly serious a condition this is for the mother, and for the women involved..for shame. The Handmaids Tale is fiction, not a handbook. Better yet, fall down on your hands and knees and pray to God, and get out of public government.

[hlthe2b]

13. I hate this premise as much as anyone, but we do no favors to deny evidence (post #4)

We need to fight it based (as I made clear) the intense risk to the mother and very very very low likelihood of success.

All those posting it had NEVER happened and Could never happen are ignorant of NIH-documented published evidence that it did occur once. Don't bury your head in the sand. We don't win by ignoring this, however rare, however experimental, however WRONG from a medical care standpoint.

[Ms. Toad]

17. Agreed. n/t

[sir pball]

19. It's impossible. Has never happened and likely never will.

Your case refers to tubal reimplantation, a completely different procedure that has nothing to do with moving embryos. There's actually several cases like hers in the literature. And no recorded embryonic transfers.

[treestar]

21. Those who can't tell the

Difference between a fetus and an infant won’t make that distinction

[dawg day]

22. and fight it on the basis that women have the same right to refuse surgery as men do-

And that medical treatment should be for the benefit of the patient, not to fulfill some sick legislator's religio-sadist fantasies.

[wendyb-NC]

15. Ectopic pregnancy is often a life threatening emergency

for the woman. Some woman might not know that they are pregnant, yet, to begin with. To add an extra complication to someone who is experiencing internal bleeding is depraved.

[Mister Ed]

20. Yes. I lost a beloved friend to it years ago.

Her story is separate from that of my friends in post #7 above. She hadn't known she was pregnant. She was gone before the ambulance arrived. But if the ambulance had gotten her to the hospital in time, the Ohio GOP in its infinite wisdom would have had the emergency room doctors lose her while struggling to "save" an already-lost fetus.

[dawg day]

23. If the medical profession doesn't start protesting en masse about these insane bills--

And insist that they will never compromise women's health or be forced to lie to patients...

Well, then they have no ethics. I don't know why doctors have let this sht get this far.

[Hekate]

29. Many doctors have been stalked, persecuted, and assassinated by right to lifers. Doctors...

...are not the problem here, and in any case they are vastly outnumbered by politicians and the religiously insane. It's not the doctors who make laws. They are threatened with prison for murder and loss of their medical licenses.

Look to gerrymandered districts, which the RW have been working toward ever since Roe. Every time they get the chance the GOP gerrymanders the hell out of states, so that only the GOP can win elections for reprsentatives. Once they have the state legislature, they pass these revolting laws.

However, Whenever such things are put to a vote of the people, they always fail. The average person does not want this insanity imposed on themselves or on others. The situation is seriously nuts.

Furthermore, the fanatics have worked very hard and in a very focused manner to get conservative judges appointed. The federal judgeships are lifetime appointments and are the feeder group to the SCOTUS. It is absolutely no accident that the SCOTUS now has a conservative majority. With Mitch McConnell ruling the Senate with a GOP majority, Obama hardly had a chance, because while he put forward plenty of good names, McConnell just flat out refused to fill most vacancies.

Being fanatics, they are extremely focused. Worse, they are a lot smarter than we Democrats because they stay focused. We Dems bippity-bop around tearing down our allies for lack of purity, and have the attention span of a cloud of gnats when it comes to the importance of drawing district maps for representation, federal judges, and the SCOTUS.

So here we are, up Shit Creek and paddling hard to get back to the Middle Ages.

[IcyPeas]

24. Is there a procedure for

removing their brains from their ass and replanting it back into their heads?

Once that happens then we'll talk.

[SharonClark]

27. K&R

[Igel]

25. Moot point.

1. The law won't pass. It was merely "filed." Lots of bills are filed and never actually get taken up--this will be one of them. It's virtue signaling.

2. If it did pass, there's a good chance it'll be vetoed.

3. If it's overriden or signed, there's an excellent chance a court will strike it down.

4. If the court doesn't, there's a phrase in there, "if applicable." The difficulty and rarity of any re-implantation is such that it will hardly be deemed "applicable." That would put it one small step away from laws regulating the care and feeding of manticores and unicorns. The first time somebody tries to enforce it, there'll be pro bono lawyers paying for the privilege of litigating the case (again, more virtue signaling).

5. That makes it more likely that the law will pass and be ignored except for when somebody needs a virtue to signal or something to scare people with. Or when there's a chance for litigation that might let a lawyer get a court to make law, so actions are taken to compel enforcement for the sole purpose of litigating the resulting suit.

Yeah, that's cynical. On the other hand, so's the filing of the bill.

[WhiteTara]

28. First off, it was never in the womb so

it can't be re-implanted.

[Opel_Justwax]

31. How about we make a law saying...

if a man climaxes alone while masturbating then he can be charged as a serial killer?

[Brother Buzz]

32. The medical whiz in my house says the hormones and chemistry in the uterus ain't gonna cooperate

Do these nimrods think the placenta can just be attached with drywall screws?

[MFM008]

34. My mom had one

It almost always costs the patient the overy if it implanted there. No way to "re-implant" something to nothing.
Maybe they should put it in a box......

[keithbvadu2]

35. Gynotician

Gynotician

[mercuryblues]

36. I pray those supporting this bill suffer the medical emergency

You can tell your friend to go fuck himself, in the public square. That is more likely to happen than a zygote getting implanted in a uterus.

A Fallopian tube is very narrow. Within weeks of a fertilized embryo implanting there the tube will burst and fill the uterus and stomach with blood. A woman will bleed to death because of this. The zygote has been severed from its source of life and is dead.

What this bill is saying is that a doctor must find a .05” embryo in a burst tube and a stomach full of blood and implant it in a compromised uterus and then take care of the hemorrhaging woman. My wish for those that support and believe this nonsense have to go through it .