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JohnnyRingo

(18,619 posts)
Sat Nov 30, 2019, 02:09 PM Nov 2019

The Cosmic Crisp apple is coming Monday

It's been a long time since a new apple hybrid has been introduced to the public, and the new Cosmic Crisp is being hyped as a big deal for the Washington apple industry. I love apple pie.

The Long-Awaited Cosmic Crisp Could Reshape Washington’s Apple Industry
Why this one apple’s debut on December 1 is a big deal.

In a dark concrete storage unit near Wenatchee, an apple sits in a box, among 40 pounds of its brethren, waiting. The air is temperature controlled but, more crucially, has lowered oxygen levels that prevent ripening. This is more than just another piece of fruit; it’s a baseball-size revolutionary creation embargoed until a specific release date, like a Marvel movie or a new iPhone. This is the Cosmic Crisp.

Both quintessentially and legally a Washington product, the Cosmic Crisp has been in the works since horticulturist Bruce Barritt bred two varieties at Washington State University’s Tree Fruit Research and Extension Center 22 years ago. On December 1 it finally hits supermarkets. How big a deal is a brand-new apple, really? You might be surprised.

During development, it was known as variety WA 38. A cross between the Honeycrisp and Enterprise cultivars, the fruit’s high in both acid and sugar. That means the Cosmic is sweet and tart, good for pies and for munching raw. Satisfying taste buds is just one concern for Washington’s apple industry, which produces more than 5.12 billion pounds of fruit annually. For apples to be available year-round, beyond the fall harvest, they must store well, and the Cosmic Crisp does so like a champ; that high acid staves off browning.

“It’s enormously crunchy, it bakes well, it has a beautiful shape and color,” says Kathryn Grandy. As director of marketing for Proprietary Variety Management, Grandy’s job is to promote the Cosmic Crisp. The apple is what’s known as a managed or proprietary variety—patents control who can grow and sell it (Granny Smith or Red Delicious, for example, are open to anyone). The lenticels, or pores, on WA 38 shimmered like stars in a night sky, which led PVM to name it the Cosmic Crisp.

Professor Kate Evans took over Barritt’s position after he retired in 2008; when WA 38 trees matured enough for her to ID its fruit as a winner, the university decided to make it available to all Washington growers. In 2014, state orchard owners—some massive, some tiny—could enter a drawing for 600,000 available trees. By the next year, there were enough for all takers. When the apple hits the market in
December, “we’re going to instant volume,” says Grandy. The 10 million boxes on sale by 2023 will be more than, say, the Pink Lady sells now.

Evans has never heard of a tree fruit getting this kind of blockbuster release and hopes consumers realize that it’s no GMO. “That’s usually the first thing people say with a new apple,” she says. “But it’s from traditional breeding technology that we have been using as humans for several hundred years.”

Continued here:
https://www.seattlemet.com/articles/2019/11/26/the-long-awaited-cosmic-crisp-could-reshape-washington-s-apple-industry

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The Cosmic Crisp apple is coming Monday (Original Post) JohnnyRingo Nov 2019 OP
Apples are weird. I planted a Honeycrisp tree in my backyard MineralMan Nov 2019 #1
you might enjoy heritage or heirloom apples ... Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #3
Thanks. I'll check that. MineralMan Nov 2019 #8
So the crabapple was grafted? LeftInTX Nov 2019 #6
Yes. Pretty much all apples are. MineralMan Nov 2019 #7
Didn't know crabapples were. LeftInTX Nov 2019 #9
a flowering crab would be. mopinko Nov 2019 #11
you got lucky. mopinko Nov 2019 #12
I have a Mulberry in the back that I let grow as a sucker from a neighbor's tree stopwastingmymoney Dec 2019 #18
My guess is yours is a girl! jcgoldie Dec 2019 #20
I don't know, but we have two volunteer mulberry trees MineralMan Dec 2019 #23
It is a fast growing tree stopwastingmymoney Dec 2019 #44
Birds eat them up, and then MineralMan Dec 2019 #47
Very cool. cilla4progress Dec 2019 #27
Well, the flowering crabapple is a graft on whatever rootstock MineralMan Dec 2019 #31
Great cilla4progress Dec 2019 #32
Apple Trees TuxedoKat Dec 2019 #45
There are tons of apple trees in my neighborhood. MineralMan Dec 2019 #46
What grocery gets it first and/or when will Backseat Driver Nov 2019 #2
I was wondering too. JohnnyRingo Nov 2019 #16
Yep. cilla4progress Dec 2019 #28
I had the pleasure of trying it out ismnotwasm Nov 2019 #4
How does it compare to Gala in snap and flavor? Gala is my fave. nt Blue_true Nov 2019 #14
Since they quit selling Cameos I have struggled cilla4progress Dec 2019 #30
Have you tried Envy? rusty fender Dec 2019 #36
Envy is my favorite right now too!!! nt blaze Dec 2019 #37
Nope - will try it! cilla4progress Dec 2019 #40
Hmm. ismnotwasm Dec 2019 #22
Thanks. I will try the new variety out once it reaches my part of the country. nt Blue_true Dec 2019 #43
So, this is undoubtedly a "GMO" product Goodheart Nov 2019 #5
crossbreeding is not GMO. TeamPooka Nov 2019 #10
The very purpose of crossbreeding is to modify genes. Goodheart Dec 2019 #24
A GMO, or genetically modified organism, is a plant, animal, microorganism or other organism whose TeamPooka Dec 2019 #33
The difference is customerserviceguy Dec 2019 #41
Cross-breeding and selective breeding has been done for many centuries. Blue_true Nov 2019 #15
From the OP: Stinky The Clown Nov 2019 #17
I am SO very tired of the stupid "non-GMO" BS. Silent3 Dec 2019 #19
This new apple producer feels compelled to call it "non-GMO" because of marketing reasons, obviously Goodheart Dec 2019 #25
While all that may be true Mariana Dec 2019 #42
Article specifically says no cilla4progress Dec 2019 #29
There are so many apple varieties, a person could eat a different apple each day for two years! TheBlackAdder Nov 2019 #13
that cosmic crisp supposed to be resistant to cedar rust jcgoldie Dec 2019 #21
Hey - Wenatchee is my home! cilla4progress Dec 2019 #26
I'm a crossbreed myself; Texas/Washington. Aristus Dec 2019 #34
I'm a little miffed about this apple. Grasswire2 Dec 2019 #35
And the WA Delicious apple was partly responsible blaze Dec 2019 #38
the Washington Delicious is the most tasteless of apples. Grasswire2 Dec 2019 #39

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
1. Apples are weird. I planted a Honeycrisp tree in my backyard
Sat Nov 30, 2019, 02:30 PM
Nov 2019

six years ago. It has so far had one flower on it. Maybe the seventh year will be the charm. Meanwhile, out in my front yard, by the curb, is a flowering crabapple tree the city planted there. Bred not to produce fruit, it does that very well, but is a huge snowball of white flowers for two weeks each spring.

A few years ago, I decided to let three of the rootstalk suckers that sprouted up from the base of the tree grow. I've carefully pruned them so they blend in with the rest of the tree. I was just curious about what the rootstock was for the flowering crab that had been grafted onto it.

This year, for the very first time, those rootstock suckers flowered and set fruit. that came as a surprise to me one afternoon when we walked our dogs. There they were: half a dozen small yellow apples with a slight pink blush. I waited as long as I could and picked them before the birds and worms got to them. Surprisingly, they were quite sweet and crisp. Small, but good-tasting little apples. We'll see how my experiment does next year. Maybe we'll get a bumper crop of rootstock eating apples. I'll be looking to see if I can determine a variety for them, but that probably won't work. They're just good little apples. Who knows what the rootstock was?

I did something similar at my parent's citrus farm. One of their orange trees sent up some very robust suckers, so I decided to just let them grow and pruned them to see if I could get them to fruit. They did, and produced a large, rough yellow fruit that I call a bitter lemon. It had a very thick skin, and not a massive amount of juice, but the fruit makes spectacular lemonade that surprises everyone who has tasted it.

LeftInTX

(25,150 posts)
9. Didn't know crabapples were.
Sat Nov 30, 2019, 06:30 PM
Nov 2019

Just assumed they weren't since they grow wild

Also funny about the citrus rootstock. Glad you found some use for it!! That's the first I've heard of anyone having use for it!

It's not uncommon in San Antonio because we are marginally hardy for citrus and it's not unusual for an old tree to consist of nothing but sour orange!

mopinko

(70,023 posts)
12. you got lucky.
Sat Nov 30, 2019, 06:57 PM
Nov 2019

roots stock are pretty much, by definition, not worthwhile for fruit.
tho if you wanted to do your own grafting, you could root those suckers, and grow any fruit if you had access to twigs. seems a waste of space and time to hope for fruit that the experts dont look for.

but i do very much get the curiosity you show. mine has taken me down many blind alleys as well. lol.

stopwastingmymoney

(2,041 posts)
18. I have a Mulberry in the back that I let grow as a sucker from a neighbor's tree
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 01:35 AM
Dec 2019

Funny thing, the parent tree does not fruit, but mine does

Do you know why that might be?

jcgoldie

(11,613 posts)
20. My guess is yours is a girl!
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 01:54 AM
Dec 2019

someone needs to have the birds and bees talk with you... just kidding but Mulberry trees do have gender.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
23. I don't know, but we have two volunteer mulberry trees
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 10:45 AM
Dec 2019

in our backyard. I think they came from seeds deposited by birds. Anyhow, they produce huge amounts of fruit. I eat about a cup of mulberries each year, and leave the rest for the birds.

We won't have a crop this year, though. The electric utility tree crew came through and whacked everything down to the main branches. It was growing up into the wires. It will be back, though, next year.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
31. Well, the flowering crabapple is a graft on whatever rootstock
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 01:14 PM
Dec 2019

it is. The apples grew on suckers coming up from that original rootstock, I have no idea what that was, but most rootstocks are chosen for things like hardiness, disease resistance, etc., and not for their fruit. That those apples were edible at all is sort of amazing. That they tasted good was a bonus. I'll see how they do next year.

There's a tree up the street from us that has three different types of apples on it every year. None are much good, but it's fun to see the three different apples on the same tree. At my parent's farm, there used to be a tree that was grafted to produce apricots, a peach variety, and plums. My dad did that to amuse his children and grandkids. There are little surprises like that all through his orchard. An orange tree that also has a limb that produces lemons. A lemon tree with a tangerine limb on it. All for the children to find and wonder about. My father is a jokester and a good tree grafter, too, apparently.

TuxedoKat

(3,818 posts)
45. Apple Trees
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 10:34 AM
Dec 2019

Some apple trees take a long time to produce. I have two trees, a Chieftain and a Stayman Winesap that finally produced a few apples this fall after seven years I think. Deer got them before I did though! Still waiting for my Wolf River to produce apples as it was planted the same year. An Ida Red I planted at the same time started producing after 3-4 years and this year had a decent-sized crop. I really baby my trees, fertilizer, organic Neem Oil, pruning, etc. They are great tasting apples too, sweet/tart and make pretty pink apple sauce. I once read too, that it takes 40 (!) leaves to produce one apple, so keep your leaves healthy.

Hmmm, looks like Honeycrisp is difficult to grow:

https://www.growingproduce.com/fruits/apples-pears/the-dark-side-of-honeycrisp/

I'm glad you are getting good apples from the rootstock though! Does your Crab Apple flower at the same time? If not, Honeycrisp may need a cross-pollinator. Fruit trees are so interesting. I started planting them in 2011, and add more each year. I have about eight Apple Trees that I've planted (mostly heirloom varieties), two Apricots, one Peach, three Mulberry (mostly for the birds), one Plum, one Pear, two sour Cherry trees, two Crab Apples, one Persimmon, and two PawPaw trees will be planted next year.

Here you can find pollination partners for your Honeycrisp. When I do grafting, I graft varieties to the trees that are pollination partners to my apple trees.

https://www.orangepippintrees.com/pollinationchecker.aspx

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
46. There are tons of apple trees in my neighborhood.
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 10:55 AM
Dec 2019

The flowering crab, though, does flower at the same time as the Honeycrisp, so I think I'm OK there.

JohnnyRingo

(18,619 posts)
16. I was wondering too.
Sat Nov 30, 2019, 11:14 PM
Nov 2019

They amassed something like 12 million cases in prep for the introduction, so that sounds like a lot nationwide. Certainly the chains will have first dibs.

I read an article last week about how they routinely store apples in controlled climate warehouses to keep them fresh up to a year.

cilla4progress

(24,718 posts)
30. Since they quit selling Cameos I have struggled
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 01:10 PM
Dec 2019

to find a favorite.

Cameos kind of self cross-breeded /created themselves! They were tart sweet. Been eating Pink Ladies this year, but I still miss my humble Cameo!

ismnotwasm

(41,968 posts)
22. Hmm.
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 02:07 AM
Dec 2019

It’s every so slightly slightly tart at first, then bursts into a really nice sweetness, that’s not too sweet. I like Gala too, not sure how to compare them. It has a a yummy refreshing flavor

Goodheart

(5,308 posts)
24. The very purpose of crossbreeding is to modify genes.
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 12:50 PM
Dec 2019

Anybody who thinks otherwise doesn't understand what genes are or do.

TeamPooka

(24,210 posts)
33. A GMO, or genetically modified organism, is a plant, animal, microorganism or other organism whose
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 01:20 PM
Dec 2019

genetic makeup has been modified in a laboratory using genetic engineering or transgenic technology.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
41. The difference is
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 03:03 PM
Dec 2019

one process is hundreds of years old, and is not suspect, while the other is labeled "Frankenstein fruit".

Yes, you're right, there is no difference.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
15. Cross-breeding and selective breeding has been done for many centuries.
Sat Nov 30, 2019, 07:06 PM
Nov 2019

That is how we got food fruit and vegetables to begin with. It is not GMO.

Stinky The Clown

(67,766 posts)
17. From the OP:
Sat Nov 30, 2019, 11:34 PM
Nov 2019
Evans has never heard of a tree fruit getting this kind of blockbuster release and hopes consumers realize that it’s no GMO. “That’s usually the first thing people say with a new apple,” she says. “But it’s from traditional breeding technology that we have been using as humans for several hundred years.”


You were saying . . . . . ?

Silent3

(15,152 posts)
19. I am SO very tired of the stupid "non-GMO" BS.
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 01:47 AM
Dec 2019

And "all natural!" and "organic!" and "clean!"

"Gluten free" is totally unimportant for the fast majority of the population as well.

Goodheart

(5,308 posts)
25. This new apple producer feels compelled to call it "non-GMO" because of marketing reasons, obviously
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 12:52 PM
Dec 2019

He's no fool.

I will take GMO all day long, as we all have for many, many years.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
42. While all that may be true
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 06:11 PM
Dec 2019

the fact remains that this particular fruit is not a GMO. The poster is incorrect about that.

jcgoldie

(11,613 posts)
21. that cosmic crisp supposed to be resistant to cedar rust
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 01:57 AM
Dec 2019

I'll have to try a couple the cedars play havoc on my apple orchard every year with those terrible big gooey balls of yuck

cilla4progress

(24,718 posts)
26. Hey - Wenatchee is my home!
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 12:59 PM
Dec 2019

"Apple Capital of the World and Buckle in the Power Belt of the Great Northwest." (Might Columbia runs through it.)

Great marketing scheme.

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
34. I'm a crossbreed myself; Texas/Washington.
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 01:24 PM
Dec 2019

The Evergreen State is my home, and I'm proud of that.

I have an apple with my lunch every single day. I'm going to go out and see if I can pick up a couple of Cosmic Crisps today. I'll give them a try. Envy is my favorite varietal. Honeycrisp is just a shade too tart for my liking.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
35. I'm a little miffed about this apple.
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 01:46 PM
Dec 2019

MILLIONS of dollars have been spent to impose it on the market.

I buy my apples from a grower in Hood River Oregon who brings thirty or more varieties to farmers market a hundred miles from the orchards. Many of the varieties are very old heirlooms.

I previously, until two years ago, bought my apples from another Oregon grower whose heirloom orchards had trees 150 years old. One variety so old they couldn't remember the name of it and just called it "Grandpa's favorite." The grower (in his eighties now) sold out his land to a cannabis grower and we lost all those heritage trees and varieties. He had also sold his apples at farmers markets locally. I can't even say how very, very cool it was to have so many different kinds of delicious apples from old trees.

And so when I see this highly marketed engineered apple desiring to dominate the market, I'm really turned off. Because I know it will probably displace even more heirlooms. Soon, Americans will think that only an apple with "crisp" in the name is an apple.

That said, I do like an apple called "Crimson Crisp" from my current grower. But I also know two dozen other varieties well.

blaze

(6,347 posts)
38. And the WA Delicious apple was partly responsible
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 02:13 PM
Dec 2019

for the loss of many varieties across the country. It marked the change from apple farming to apple industry.

I just learned that SW Colorado used to be full of apple orchards and there are now efforts to revive some of the nearly lost varieties.

https://coloradosun.com/2019/11/28/colorado-heritage-apples-orchard-restoration-hard-cider/

(I just recently posted this here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10414123 )

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