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denem

(11,045 posts)
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 11:31 AM Jan 2012

I'm Guessing: Ron Paul will say Obama's military cuts don't go far enough.

Normally, Republicans would put up a united front against cuts in military spending. But maybe not this time. One old school isolationist has a national stage, passionate supporters, and several more debates to argue the case for less spending.

If you were President Obama, announcing cuts when one prominent republican is likely to back you, looks like good timing.

The question is, how, if at all, will Ron Paul attack Obama on this announcement.

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I'm Guessing: Ron Paul will say Obama's military cuts don't go far enough. (Original Post) denem Jan 2012 OP
Cutting military spending INCREASES is more accurate. The military budget is going up not down... think Jan 2012 #1
Actually No. These are real cuts. denem Jan 2012 #2
Don't Contradict the President earthside Jan 2012 #5
That's like saying wages are growing. denem Jan 2012 #7
If the interpretation of these are spending cuts are based on projections that include think Jan 2012 #11
Reducing ProSense Jan 2012 #8
Thank you. nt think Jan 2012 #9
The ProSense Jan 2012 #3
But Ron will not be able to be silent in the debates will he? denem Jan 2012 #4
It's still ProSense Jan 2012 #10
He'd probably be right too...but hey, this issue may help to push discussion of the NDAA NorthCarolina Jan 2012 #6
 

think

(11,641 posts)
1. Cutting military spending INCREASES is more accurate. The military budget is going up not down...
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 11:34 AM
Jan 2012
 

denem

(11,045 posts)
2. Actually No. These are real cuts.
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 11:41 AM
Jan 2012

The $450 cut reduces spending to plus 1% per year, less than the rate of inflation, and certainly less than the rate of military cost inflation.

IF the $500 'automatic' cut also goes through in 2013, then the nominal amount spent will also be cut.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
5. Don't Contradict the President
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 11:47 AM
Jan 2012

"Over the next 10 years, the growth in the defense budget will slow, but the fact of the matter is this: It will still grow, because we have global responsibilities that demand our leadership."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/05/politics/pentagon-strategy-shift/index.html

And, yes, we need real, genuine cuts in the Pentagon budget. The idea that we have thousands and thousands of troops and multiple bases in countries like Germany, Italy, Japan, England, etc., while our bridges are crumbling is revolting.

 

denem

(11,045 posts)
7. That's like saying wages are growing.
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 11:53 AM
Jan 2012

They are, but no as much as the cost of living.

IT ALSO LEAVES OUT the $500m 'automatic' cuts due in 2013.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
11. If the interpretation of these are spending cuts are based on projections that include
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 12:41 PM
Jan 2012

adjustments for inflation then yes I'd agree with that. If we are talking about the actual physical amount we are spending on the military then I would think we'd agree this amount will increase.

Fair enough?

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
8. Reducing
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 11:55 AM
Jan 2012

the size of the military by nearly 500,000 troops is huge.

Cutting nearly a trillion from the budget, eliminating weapons systems and other initiatives are real cuts.

Any budget not elimated entirely grows. Cutting $1 trillion from a bloated budget is a real cut.

 

denem

(11,045 posts)
4. But Ron will not be able to be silent in the debates will he?
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 11:46 AM
Jan 2012

Last edited Fri Jan 6, 2012, 12:25 PM - Edit history (1)

Unless he turns a complete 180, he will have to argue it's a move in the right direction - and with some passion, if the past is anything to go by.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
10. It's still
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 12:18 PM
Jan 2012

interesting that he hasn't said a word about the announcement.

What has everyone been cheering him on about? Isn't he supposed to embarrass Democrats with his alleged "progressive" opinions?

Here's a major opportunity, and nothing.



 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
6. He'd probably be right too...but hey, this issue may help to push discussion of the NDAA
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 11:49 AM
Jan 2012

out of sight and out of mind.

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