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We are now reading about people in Trump's orbit being afraid for their lives and (Original Post) Raven Jan 2020 OP
It is deeply disturbing. We've traveled from "Crazytown" to I don't know where. NT Mike 03 Jan 2020 #1
Mafiatown. DavidDvorkin Jan 2020 #2
That's it. Mike 03 Jan 2020 #8
It's the mob bdamomma Jan 2020 #34
if not from Trump's goons lapfog_1 Jan 2020 #3
When con-men (preachers) tell idiots (their flock) how to vote, this is what we get. FiveGoodMen Jan 2020 #4
When I first learned that we are the flock of sheep and Jesus is the shepherd, OMGWTF Jan 2020 #16
That's what he does D_Master81 Jan 2020 #5
I did forget leftieNanner Jan 2020 #7
It was ". . . if something happened to her mother." nt tblue37 Jan 2020 #14
I forgot all about that.😳 dewsgirl Jan 2020 #27
Admit Nothing. Deny Everything. Make Counter Accusations. Brother Buzz Jan 2020 #6
I've been waiting for the night of long knives for a while.... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #9
I worry about this often, when the subject comes up, I always think dewsgirl Jan 2020 #29
This is not surpising to me... Newest Reality Jan 2020 #10
I appreciate this post. Duppers Jan 2020 #25
Gee... Newest Reality Jan 2020 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Duppers Jan 2020 #31
Wolfowitz, Cheney, and Rumsfeld were sinister. Trump is unhinged. Duncan Grant Jan 2020 #11
If your jaw is hitting the floor now, Eyeball_Kid Jan 2020 #12
Please don't write such a negative script Perseus Jan 2020 #22
In defense of the negativity, I know I say those things to GET THE ATTENTION Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #28
Scare the people is correct bdamomma Jan 2020 #36
WWPD? moondust Jan 2020 #13
Raven, have no fear. saidsimplesimon Jan 2020 #15
Yes, no matter who is the Democratic nominee, full support. Perseus Jan 2020 #21
Terrified? REJOICE! Saturn is devouring its children! slumcamper Jan 2020 #17
The Constitution is vague to most people bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #18
Fascism's root way of functioning is by terrorizing. It holds that might makes right. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2020 #19
And I bleieve it answers the question about all those GOP members who seem to be changed people Perseus Jan 2020 #20
Mobsters associated with tRump should be afraid of their treasonous actions. ffr Jan 2020 #23
OP, do you have anything in writing to share? ffr Jan 2020 #24
Gosh, how about the newspapers. I have read about Raven Jan 2020 #32
Oh, I thought you said 'in tRump's orbit' to mean 'in tRump's orbit,' not outside tRump's orbit. ffr Jan 2020 #33
Hopefully, the best 'flips', are yet to come. empedocles Jan 2020 #26
"flips' keithbvadu2 Jan 2020 #38
Trump set a policy of abusing children of people seeking help!! What did they expect uponit7771 Jan 2020 #35
this place gives me... stillcool Jan 2020 #37

lapfog_1

(29,199 posts)
3. if not from Trump's goons
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 02:03 PM
Jan 2020

who seem to be idiot gangster drunk wannabes...

But Putin's gangsters / operatives are a differant animal altogether.

OMGWTF

(3,952 posts)
16. When I first learned that we are the flock of sheep and Jesus is the shepherd,
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 04:43 PM
Jan 2020

I thought, "This is not good." Shepherds aren't shepherds because they love sheep, it's because they want to fleece, fuck, or eat them.

getagrip_already

(14,739 posts)
9. I've been waiting for the night of long knives for a while....
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 02:21 PM
Jan 2020

And I'm sure it's coming.

It's the logical next step to seize power when it becomes obvious he won't be re-elected the normal way.

We will lose a lot of people very quickly. And the gop will be very concerned. very. they will write a very stern letter to the democrats warning them to stop the violence or there won't be any of them left to act.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
29. I worry about this often, when the subject comes up, I always think
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 07:38 PM
Jan 2020

of this, from the Handmaid's Tale.

When they slaughtered Congress, we didn't wake up. When they blamed terrorists and suspended the constitution, we didn't wake up then, either. Nothing changes instantaneously. In a gradually heating bathtub, you'd be boiled to death before you knew it.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
10. This is not surpising to me...
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 02:25 PM
Jan 2020

You would expect that from a two-bit, mob-like real estate goon who doesn't pay his bills and lust for power as a means to continue to protect himself from any accountability or pesky legalities.

There is no rule that a corrupt used car salesman could not manage to whip up a frenzy in certain members of a society who are malcontents either by way of their temperament or due to their increasingly dire circumstances and marginalization as well as the cognitive dissonance of falling down in a "booming" economy in the wealthiest country in history. Populism and Fascism both thrive on those faults in a society as history reveals.

There are faults or cracks in our system, but there are also systemic and pressing problems with our country and culture now that have contributed to this severe and dangerous crises. It is my hope that we will soon be moving on and leaving this criminal, MalAdminstration behind with some very important lessons well learned and a will to remember the outcome and then begin to correct the glaring issues that obviously put our fragile and evolving democracy in grave danger of dissolution.

We know that oligarchy and theocracy are waiting in the wings, drooling to swoop in and clamp there claws down on our nation utilizing any vulnerably they can exploit to decimate our system and replace it with some form of authoritarian tyranny no matter what flavor. If we are to be good citizens of our cherished democracy, it behooves us to bear that in mind always in our vigilance and it is essential to stay informed and cautious as we endeavor together to protect and strengthen our democratic values and institutions so that we can continue this grand and noble experiment of justice and freedom and take it to new and more beneficial levels for all.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
25. I appreciate this post.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 07:29 PM
Jan 2020

Thank you. This afternoon I was told I "obsess" about politics and global warming. You so eloquently addressed the importance of us all staying informed. Wouldn't this country be a better place if we all were "obsessed" with the facts?!

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
30. Gee...
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 07:44 PM
Jan 2020

Well, thanks! It is really nice to know that it was helpful to you. That really is some icing on the cake and I appreciate you taking the time to let me know.

I understand. Well, somebody has to do it. People can ignore what they want to. Heck, in a complex world like this, I can't blame folks for staying in a comfy bubble to stay sane. Adapting to the plethora of information is a feat. Yet, I personally appreciate folks who investigate things in more depth and at least give me a concise encapsulation of what they have, even if their biases are showing.

I can't always do that and now, the stakes are so very high on many fronts. So maybe we all could get a little more obsessed with facts and interaction due to the severity of our situation?

Maybe our comfort zone bubbles can be more like a place for respite and recharging rather than complete retreats? A little more interest and participation wouldn't hurt, no matter how it turns out. Besides, how long can a bubble last before external events burst it? And then what? It's a temporary fix and we are all in this together???

Response to Newest Reality (Reply #30)

Duncan Grant

(8,262 posts)
11. Wolfowitz, Cheney, and Rumsfeld were sinister. Trump is unhinged.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 02:36 PM
Jan 2020

Welcome to the tip of the iceberg. Absolutely unbelievable times, aren’t they? My jaw hits the floor daily.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,431 posts)
12. If your jaw is hitting the floor now,
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 02:48 PM
Jan 2020

it will drop from your head when the Senate acquits. When that happens, the Constitution dies. Enjoy your Bill of Rights for the next few weeks, then say goodbye.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
28. In defense of the negativity, I know I say those things to GET THE ATTENTION
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 07:35 PM
Jan 2020

of people that if we dont act and NOW that this IS going to be our result.

I have said since day one we are in way worse shape than we realize. We are.

Plus, even if you win an election, 45% of the electorate and the entire media will hold any dem accountable for ONE lie and no con accountable for 20,000 lies.

So we need to scare PEOPLE into ACTION!

moondust

(19,974 posts)
13. WWPD?
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 03:10 PM
Jan 2020

"What Would Putin Do?," Donny asks himself before he does anything.

The depth of corruption in American life is indeed troubling, IMO the roots of it dating back 3-4 decades to Reaganomics and the "greed is good" corporate economy with limited liability.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
15. Raven, have no fear.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 04:40 PM
Jan 2020

All the more reason for we Democrats to stand up, put boots on the ground for our candidates.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
21. Yes, no matter who is the Democratic nominee, full support.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 04:54 PM
Jan 2020

We must go an vote these thugs out of office.

slumcamper

(1,606 posts)
17. Terrified? REJOICE! Saturn is devouring its children!
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 04:45 PM
Jan 2020

Sorry; maybe I misinterpret your terror, but NO fear here.

This country and world will be a MUCH better place once the circular firing squad of this deplorable cast of goons is complete and they are all firing.


bucolic_frolic

(43,141 posts)
18. The Constitution is vague to most people
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 04:45 PM
Jan 2020

It's not just the Constitution that is in peril. It's rule of law. The legal code. Consequences. We'd be ignorant not to think about what can happen.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
20. And I bleieve it answers the question about all those GOP members who seem to be changed people
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 04:52 PM
Jan 2020

Like Lindsey Graham going from being anti-trump in the morning and trump's lapdog after a round of golf. republicans who seemed sensible in the past and are unrecognizable now.

Mafia Administration, and Barr is one of the capos. I hope people are not underestimating capo Barr, he is a very dangerous man.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
23. Mobsters associated with tRump should be afraid of their treasonous actions.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 04:56 PM
Jan 2020

No sympathy from me. Haul them away!

ffr

(22,669 posts)
24. OP, do you have anything in writing to share?
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 05:00 PM
Jan 2020
I'm finding nothing on the Internet. You said you are "reading..." Where are you reading this and what does it say?

Raven

(13,889 posts)
32. Gosh, how about the newspapers. I have read about
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:07 PM
Jan 2020

the Ukraine Ambassador's fear and, more recently, Lev Parnus' fear that motivated him to go public.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
33. Oh, I thought you said 'in tRump's orbit' to mean 'in tRump's orbit,' not outside tRump's orbit.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:14 PM
Jan 2020

People inside tRump's orbit would normally include those in his inner circle of loyalists.

The Ukraine Ambassador, I'd think, would be just a plain vanilla type dedicated patriotic American employee.

My mistake.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
37. this place gives me...
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:40 PM
Jan 2020

whip-lash sometimes. It's astounding. I get to a place of okay-ness, and wham!.the Effing President of the USA is talking trash and threatening people.

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