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H2O Man

(73,486 posts)
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 08:51 PM Jan 2020

Susquehanna

“God stands in the congregation of the mighty;
He judges among the gods.
How long will you judge unjustly,
and adopt the persons of the wicked? “
-- Asaph; Psalm 82


I went out for a walk with my dog a bit earlier than usual today, as I have the last three days. This allows for me to watch the entire impeachment hearings, from beginning to end, each day. The downstairs of the main section of my house is open, circling around an enormous central chimney with three fireplaces facing different directions, in the manner of a late 1700's stage coach station. Thus, while the trial is on, I can listen to the television while on the phone or computer, even when I cannot see the screen.

Yesterday, for example, I read with interest an OP/thread where a few community members called the hearing “boring.” I was thinking about that as Kelly and I ventured up the long abandoned turnpike's trail through the woods, where I have walked hundreds of times before. It is difficult for me to understand being “bored.” I could no more be bored during these historic trial hearings, than I could be bored walking on the old turnpike. In fact, I cannot think of a single time I have ever been bored, as my mind has always found plenty to ponder, no matter where I find myself.

I don't view that as either an advantage or disadvantage to the manner that other people experience life. But I will say that it was helpful for me, for example, when I used to get called as a witness to court cases when I worked in human services. I remember a co-worker unhappy when we sat for eight hours in the waiting room one day, only to be told to return the next day. Being paid to read a book seemed good to me.

My dog loves to follow tracks in the snow, and so soon we turned off onto an old logging road. Most of the tracks were from deer, with some from coyotes, fox, and various rodents. We encountered one spot where a rabbit had met its fate, when a bird of prey nailed it. From the size of the wing-pattern in the snow, I think it was a medium-sized hawk.

The majority of the tracks followed a small stream, in places but a trickle above ground, back to its source. It is one of two sources of fresh water that eventually enters my pond.. Since my childhood, I've been fascinated with the springs, streams, and creeks that can be found high up on the mountains in this region of upstate New York. I think that it is not just “wildlife” that has recognized their value.

About a decade ago, my son found a handful of pristine artifacts at the far end of a field across from the intersection of two rivers. These were all made from material found in Pennsylvania. Thus, I traveled 4.5 miles up the smaller river (heading north), to where two large creeks reach the river on opposite sides. I travel a distance uphill, approximately as far from the water as my son had been, until I found open springs that produce water year-round. There are huge boulders next to the springs. There, I was able to find some more of the Susquehanna artifacts, similar to those my son found.

More recently, I followed one of the creek 4.5 miles upstream, to near my property. Approximately the same distance up the mountain, Kelly led me to a the springs from the artesian aquifer that, like on the previous site, flows out from the edge of an enormous boulder. I will try to find out this summer if it, too, was an ancient campsite. I would expect Susquehanna artifacts, if it was.


https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Susquehanna_broad_projectile_point

Because one side of the boulder is covered by the mountain, I was able to stand on it, watching Kelly drink his fill below me. He is compelled to re-load in order to mark various trees and shrubs on our walks. Next he begins sniffing the various tracks in the snow, eventually funding what I assume are feral cats. A large number such “barn cats” live in the long abandoned barns from farms of a previous era on the mountain.. Just as their ancient ancestors did, these cats tend to visit sources of water about twice a day, to drink and hunt. Now Kelly is snorting into the snow to stir the scent for proper evaluation. Then he begins digging a hole in the ground.

I'm thinking heading home to prepare for the trial, when I think to myself, “Follow the water.” Immediately, I catch myself, and hope no one overheard me thinking that. Perhaps it would be better to be bored. Instead of following the logging road and turnpike, we head through the fields, brush, and woods, following to where the small stream gurgles into my pond. Kelly drinks there,too, as the constant flow of water has prevented ice from covering this section of the pond.

Thoughts about water continue to flow my mind when I get ready to watch the trial. As I wait for it to start, I am subjected to a clip of Jay Sekulow, the christian hypocrite-attorney that I find particularly offensive. And I think of the words of the ancient prophet Amos – who lived around the same time as the people who left those Susquehanna artifacts near springs – “But let justice flow on like a river, and righteousness like a mighty stream.” Amos is one of my favorite social justice warriors.

And as I watch today's hearing, I am encouraged by the Democrat's presentation. As powerful as it is, I know that many republican Senators – men and women who know that Trump is guilty as sin – will refuse to hold him accountable. These are the hypocrites that Asoph referred to in his song. We need to flood their offices with phone calls and e-mails. It is relatively easy to “google” any/every state capital, and find both a zip code and what county it is in, in preparation of a call being answered. Make them understand that they have more reason to listen to the public than the president. Let them know that there will be harsh consequences for supporting Trump, come their next election.

Back to listening to Adam Schiff!
H2O Man

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Susquehanna (Original Post) H2O Man Jan 2020 OP
It's been a long time since I've walked anywhere upstate NY eleny Jan 2020 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Jan 2020 #2
When we were going to elementary school in Woodhaven and Richmond Hill, Queens... eleny Jan 2020 #4
I had a school H2O Man Jan 2020 #6
Your land and that land around you sound beautiful. panader0 Jan 2020 #3
Thanks! H2O Man Jan 2020 #5
Like you I am never bored malaise Jan 2020 #7
I am so impressed H2O Man Jan 2020 #10
Wow! malaise Jan 2020 #22
This scandal will, H2O Man Jan 2020 #24
Yep malaise Jan 2020 #25
Your post reminded me of one of my favorite songs from grade school MerryBlooms Jan 2020 #8
That is one H2O Man Jan 2020 #11
Originally from the Susquehanna area, I am enjoying 42bambi Jan 2020 #9
I've collected quite H2O Man Jan 2020 #13
I always loved learning about how the natives lived 42bambi Jan 2020 #17
Reminds me of Bruce Lee and water: EveHammond13 Jan 2020 #12
Outstanding! H2O Man Jan 2020 #14
glad you like it. it stuck with me since the first time I heard it. EveHammond13 Jan 2020 #15
My son H2O Man Jan 2020 #16
I flashed on "The Susquehanna Hat Company!" SCVDem Jan 2020 #18
Me too! I was headed over to YouTube myself! VOX Jan 2020 #19
Ha! Classic! H2O Man Jan 2020 #20
I miss walking around in the woods in the Poconos. BigmanPigman Jan 2020 #21
I love the Catskills. H2O Man Jan 2020 #23
I Love The Majesty Of This Me. Jan 2020 #26
The whole song H2O Man Jan 2020 #31
Follow the water... Hekate Jan 2020 #27
Thank you! H2O Man Jan 2020 #32
elections can have harsh consequences ... Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #28
The Rule of Law H2O Man Jan 2020 #33
Thank you for the walk flotsam Jan 2020 #29
Thanks! H2O Man Jan 2020 #34
Thank you for taking us on your walk with you coeur_de_lion Jan 2020 #30
Good! H2O Man Jan 2020 #35

eleny

(46,166 posts)
1. It's been a long time since I've walked anywhere upstate NY
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 09:00 PM
Jan 2020

Thanks for taking us all along with you.

Around here we always say that no matter where you stand, history is right under your feet.

H2O Man

(73,486 posts)
2. Thank you!
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 09:08 PM
Jan 2020

The weather is very pleasant here right now -- at least until Sunday. It looks like my walk will be later in the afternoon tomorrow, as I believe the hearing will go from 10 to about 1. It's supposed to rain in the afternoon, which makes walking in the woods a blast. I'll be able to look down to the valley, which should have a blanket of fog covering it. At my age, long walks are about the best exercise I get.

If I get to the top of the mountain, I can look down on the other side to where the Fort Stanwix Treaty line marked the western front of NYS before the Revolutionary War. Exactly as you said, history is right under our feet.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
4. When we were going to elementary school in Woodhaven and Richmond Hill, Queens...
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 09:20 PM
Jan 2020

... husband and I were never taught about how much Rev War activity took place right where we lived. How Washington and his troops were pushed further and further west until their backs were up against the East River. Only a heavy fog allowed our own Dunkirk to move the troops across the river to the safety of Manhattan. That determined that the war didn't end right then and there.

Now we have to fight in a different way to keep what Washington and his soldiers fought to achieve.

Thanks for taking us on your walk tomorrow. I'm glad to learn that you've recuperated so well!

H2O Man

(73,486 posts)
6. I had a school
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 09:35 PM
Jan 2020

employee from a town in the next county call me two days ago. He asked why I haven't been at their school to talk about local history and the environment for a few years. I said that no one had asked me to. He said I'd be hearing from another teacher soon.

Oren Lyons used to tell us that if one in twenty students listens and learns, you've done well. I suspect that might be because too few schools do connect students with local history.

(I had two medical appointments last week. Overall, a few of the test results were as good as they've been in 15 years. This, of course, is because I am stubborn. And because my dog likes to go on long walks.)

H2O Man

(73,486 posts)
5. Thanks!
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 09:21 PM
Jan 2020

I love the wilderness, and there is a lot of open land around here. Some of it is "state land." Walking around helps me think.

malaise

(268,594 posts)
7. Like you I am never bored
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 09:37 PM
Jan 2020

I love my familiarity with both the Impeachment Inquiry, the Impeachment itself and now the trial.

Schiff is living rent free in the Con's brain - he has destroyed him.

H2O Man

(73,486 posts)
10. I am so impressed
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 10:17 PM
Jan 2020

with Adam Schiff. I've had a high opinion of him for some time now, but it has increased by far this week. I admire great communicators, and he is definitely a great one.

While I was writing this, I took a brief phone call. An associate said that a few people close to Trump are seriously questioning if his mental decline (I'd say decay) is the result of untreated syphilis.

malaise

(268,594 posts)
22. Wow!
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 11:38 PM
Jan 2020

Remove this syphilitic monster.

Rachel's program tonight is unbelievable. That tape is more evidence that he went after the Ambassador

H2O Man

(73,486 posts)
24. This scandal will,
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 11:47 PM
Jan 2020

like both Watergate and Iran-Contra, be proven to be known for the central crimes, but also to be connected with a significant amount of corruption beyond what the current investigation documents. There is more to come. Much more.

MerryBlooms

(11,753 posts)
8. Your post reminded me of one of my favorite songs from grade school
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 09:45 PM
Jan 2020

This Land Is Your Land
Words and Music by Woody Guthrie

This land is your land, this land is my land
From California to the New York island,
From the redwood forest to the Gulf Stream waters;
This land was made for you and me.

As I was walking that ribbon of highway
I saw above me that endless skyway;
I saw below me that golden valley;
This land was made for you and me.

I've roamed and rambled and I followed my footsteps
To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts;
And all around me a voice was sounding;
This land was made for you and me.

When the sun came shining, and I was strolling,
And the wheat fields waving and the dust clouds rolling,
As the fog was lifting a voice was chanting:
This land was made for you and me.

As I went walking I saw a sign there,
And on the sign it said "No Trespassing."
But on the other side it didn't say nothing.
That side was made for you and me.

In the shadow of the steeple I saw my people,
By the relief office I seen my people;
As they stood there hungry, I stood there asking
Is this land made for you and me?

Nobody living can ever stop me,
As I go walking that freedom highway;
Nobody living can ever make me turn back
This land was made for you and me.

1974, 5th grade music teacher, Ms. Souza. She was a robust jolly blonde with a smile that lit up even the cloudiest day. We would sing that song with all our hearts. Good times.

Thanks for taking us along on your journey.

H2O Man

(73,486 posts)
11. That is one
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 10:20 PM
Jan 2020

of my very favorite songs! Oh, I love it! Learned parts of it in grade school, and have a few recordings of Woody performing it. But what version I like best is when my daughters perform it for me.

Thank you!

42bambi

(1,753 posts)
9. Originally from the Susquehanna area, I am enjoying
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 09:47 PM
Jan 2020

your adventure - it seemed as if I was walking with you as your description of that area is so familiar to me. Many lost arrowheads were found while we were building our home near a lake that housed the Oteyokwa Indians. Beautiful country, thanks for the memories!

...and a big thanks to Adam Schiff!



H2O Man

(73,486 posts)
13. I've collected quite
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 10:25 PM
Jan 2020

a few artifacts along the Susquehanna, primarily from north of Binghamton. And I was lucky to spend quite a bit of time along the river with Onondaga Chief Paul Waterman. I loved listening to him talk about the words that we now use to identify the rivers and other spots along the way. Besides English, he was fluent in a number of native languages, obviously including the various Iroquois dialects.

Adam Schiff is simply amazing. He is such a powerful communicator!

42bambi

(1,753 posts)
17. I always loved learning about how the natives lived
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 10:53 PM
Jan 2020

and how their land was so sacred...their life blood to all things. I would imagine myself living in that time, living just from earth's treasures. We lived just south of Binghamton. I'm a TX gal now but I still miss living in the NE PA area...so peaceful and natural. Again, thanks for the walk along.

 

EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
12. Reminds me of Bruce Lee and water:
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 10:21 PM
Jan 2020
Quoting from Lao Tzu’s famous teachings, Lee writes:

The natural phenomenon which the gung fu man sees as being the closest resemblance to wu wei [the principle of spontaneous action governed by the mind and not the senses] is water:

Nothing is weaker than water,
But when it attacks something hard
Or resistant, then nothing withstands it,
And nothing will alter its way.


The above passages from the Tao Te Ching illustrate to us the nature of water: Water is so fine that it is impossible to grasp a handful of it; strike it, yet it does not suffer hurt; stab it, and it is not wounded; sever it, yet it is not divided. It has no shape of its own but molds itself to the receptacle that contains it. When heated to the state of steam it is invisible but has enough power to split the earth itself. When frozen it crystallizes into a mighty rock. First it is turbulent like Niagara Falls, and then calm like a still pond, fearful like a torrent, and refreshing like a spring on a hot summer’s day. So is the principle of wu wei:

The rivers and seas are lords of a hundred valleys. This is because their strength is in lowliness; they are kings of them all. So it is that the perfect master wishing to lead them, he follows. Thus, though he is above them, he follows. Thus, though he is above them, men do not feel him to be an injury. And since he will not strive, none strive with him.


https://www.brainpickings.org/2013/05/29/like-water-bruce-lee-artist-of-life/

H2O Man

(73,486 posts)
14. Outstanding!
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 10:27 PM
Jan 2020

I love that! I can't wait to show it to my younger son when he visits me this weekend! Thank you so much!

H2O Man

(73,486 posts)
16. My son
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 10:40 PM
Jan 2020

thinks very highly of Bruce Lee. He will love it!

I respect Bruce Lee, as well. He was an interesting person.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
19. Me too! I was headed over to YouTube myself!
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 11:13 PM
Jan 2020

Thanks for saving me the trip!
Classic bit and it reflects A&’s dynamite timing.

BigmanPigman

(51,554 posts)
21. I miss walking around in the woods in the Poconos.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 11:26 PM
Jan 2020

There was an old Indain dug-out canoe found near where we lived at Lake Wallenpaupack.

H2O Man

(73,486 posts)
23. I love the Catskills.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 11:44 PM
Jan 2020

Many years ago, I did some excavating at a beautiful mountaintop site. It overlooked a major river, and the view seemed to go on forever. The occupation was from around 800 ad, and was what is known as a "flint factory." The various artifacts from the site show that Lenni Lenape met there with Iroquois, and made (and almost certainly traded) thousands of projectile points, etc. The housing pattern, with a circle of structures, suggested more temporary, round wigwam types for seasonal use. It was my favorite Catskill site I've worked on.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
26. I Love The Majesty Of This
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:00 AM
Jan 2020

It's Like America is finding it's true voice

“God stands in the congregation of the mighty;
He judges among the gods.
How long will you judge unjustly,
and adopt the persons of the wicked? “
-- Asaph; Psalm 82

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,228 posts)
28. elections can have harsh consequences ...
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 02:41 AM
Jan 2020

If we restore Billy Barr's Dirt Services to its former tasks as the Department of Justice, some of the hypocrites may face consequences harsher than a failure to achieve re-election. I do not advocate political reprisals, but people who so brazenly display a disdain for ethics will usually stoop to far lower levels in non-public activity.

We must win the battles in November. They mean to rule until the earth cooks us all.

H2O Man

(73,486 posts)
33. The Rule of Law
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 02:06 PM
Jan 2020

is damaged when those who show utter contempt for the laws are not held responsible. When we win the White House in November, our next president will have several great options for Attorney General. That will be key.

flotsam

(3,268 posts)
29. Thank you for the walk
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 04:13 AM
Jan 2020

I can't do that anymore but it is very nice to think of such a walk and how one can both delve into the past and tie that into the ethics of today. I haven't a worldly fortune but every time I get close to nature I don't mind.

H2O Man

(73,486 posts)
34. Thanks!
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 02:18 PM
Jan 2020

I've been walking more in the past six months than I have been able to for the past 19 years. Due to physical injuries and associated balance issues, I still fall more than I'd like to. Hence, my collection of canes and walking sticks comes in handy. I have my grandfather's grandfather's shilleagh from Ireland, a Seneca's cane from the late 1800s, a hand-carved African walking stick, and a couple of dozen others. I refuse to use them in public, but boy do they come in handy around my house and property.

Every so often, I have a vivid dream where I'm able to run. I used to love running. Not that I was ever fast, or even close to it. But I enjoyed running long distances. My younger son likes to run the old back roads around here, and frequently runs for 28 miles through the hills. That would be a long drive for me these days.

From my view from the outside, worldly wealth appears to have some advantages. But I prefer the Power of Ideas. As long as I can think, I'm happy!

coeur_de_lion

(3,676 posts)
30. Thank you for taking us on your walk with you
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:50 PM
Jan 2020

Its a very good reminder to me that I need to be out in nature more often.

Hubby and I plan on a nice long walk by the lake today, in your honor.

Its a great way to recharge.

H2O Man

(73,486 posts)
35. Good!
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 02:21 PM
Jan 2020

It's warmer than usual late January weather here, at least until tomorrow. It's raining moderately hard. The fog has risen far above the valley, and it makes the woods on the mountain look magical. I'll be heading out for a short walk -- hopefully -- this afternoon.

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