Evangelicals are a big part of the problem.

some kind of mass deprogramming required...

And getting worse.

I really don't hear much in the way of specifics. As far as I can tell, the only thing he has done since he got in office is golf and manufacture corruption. If corruption were a commodity, he'd have a significant portion of the market cornered.

Every time we read something in the Times, the Post or some other reputable news source about bureaucrats resigning in protest, the alternate right-wing media universe celebrates it as Trump further draining the swamp.

Until we can get to a point where we're all reading our news from similar sources, we'll never understand how the other can believe what appears to be the exact opposite of reality.

And I have my doubts whether we'll get to that point without some catastrophic upheaval. When those in my chosen profession are being singled out as the enemies of the state, we're not in a good place, obviously.

Sometimes it's tough to read posts in the forums about the alleged crimes of the "M$M" or the generic "media." We make our mistakes, of course, but the cynical view from which so many people see journalists is discouraging.

Peace.

give him evil credit on that alliance . They need proof of nothing and take him at his word

He's been using it to his advantage ever since.

Any correlation between people who believe the fantasies of the BuyBull being predisposed to believing the fantasies offered by Rs since Raygun?

If anyone tells you the Bible is the literal, inerrant word of "GOD" you should stop trying to logically discuss anything with them. Turn, and run away. They will have proven they are not capable of critical thinking. You are not going to change the years and years of their indoctrination in a short conversation.

“There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.” - Ezekiel 20:23

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites
are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and
in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men.
Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

She's beyond help!

The Church is deeply fractured between Social Justice Catholics and Catholic Fascists.

Authoritarian religious people of any sort, whatever god or gods they claim to worship, are cut from the same cloth.

What JC hated most - Hypocrisy.
What right wingers are the picture of - Hypocrisy.

It needs the words 'Trump voters' on it.

their belief to accept authoritarian leaders. The author maintained that was the reason they stick with Trump regardless what he does.

I don't know if that's true, but it would help to explain their blind fealty.

Authoritarian is a MILD word for what they are.

The thing that struck me right away was how the Pastor's word was law. These folks weren't asking him advice on something - they were asking him for PERMISSION.

One woman had brought up that she was offered a better paying job but he shot it down as soon as he learned she wouldn't be able to attend church on Sunday nights and Wednesday nights. He said, with a look of complete seriousness, "No, you're not!" and she and her husband nodded approvingly.

This was just over the line in MO.

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immorality and his personal corruption, they talk about his economy. When you bring up racism, they talk about we love all and refuse to engage. When you talk about treatment of the poor, immigrants, LGBTQ and children, they go hard core Leviticus. When you speak of women's rights, we are back at Adam's rib and bearing children in pain to pay for Adam not following rules.

If you quote the OT and not those words in red, I don’t think you are a Christian. Also if they can quote the 10 Commandments and not 8 Beatitudes.

He roots for corruption. He doesn't root out corruption.

I have friends still in the cult. That's the way they raised their kids and that's the way their grandkids will be raised. It's like domestic or sexual abuse, its generational.

Trump couldn't get that right...

As a Christian I do believe it is the word of God, as written by mankind. Mainly men though. And as humans we are not infallible and make errors. Plus the writings are hundreds and thousands of years old and other evidence contradicts what the Bible says.

There are progressive Christians out there.

he is rooting out corruption.

I'd probably ignore the other comment. These people believe they are going to fly away.

The more of the problem you see. The underlying impetus would be to establish a theocracy with some sort of fetish for Mosaic Law, (which is not only archaic, but rather barbaric by our secular standards).

Again, theocracy is in direct opposition to democracy and I oppose anything that opposes democracy, because you and I, all of us, ARE democracy and that means they oppose us as citizens of this country and its common, established principles.

Sally isn't so sure.



-Laelth

So that’s not surprising. The woman is in a cult and these people have nothing to do with true Christianity.

why do you think they're "evangelicals"

Possibly the dumbest people on the planet.

We weren't a hard core Christian family but my parents did send us to the parochial christian school operated by our church. The only reason we went there was because my mom went there So she sent us there too. So from kindergarten until 8th grade I was indoctrinated every day in the teachings of the Evangelical Lutheran Church. As we were going through the grades whenever one of us kids had a question the minister or teacher could not answer their response was always " Do not question the word of God. Nor should you question the minister, who is God's spokesman, nor anyone in the church" So these people are taught not to question anything or even think of questioning anything their church says. Classic brainwashing in the name of Jesus. They'll follow trump through the gates of Hell if their leaders tell them to, because they have been trained not to question anything they've been told. This is why they so willingly follow trump even though he violates everything they stand for, because their leaders tell them not to question anything they say, and they don't.

Some one, Newsweek?, described (seriously) the brain washing effect of listening to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh for years on end as their only source of information, and that alone would create the same effect.....

That and watching continuous "Reality TV" which would soon distort and cloud any viewer's comprehension of any and all rational thinking about even the simplest legitimate reality....

We have all questioned, "are all these people "brainwashed" ????????

It's as if they were held captive in a NorthComm/Re-education camp for years..........

All the Repubs had to do, was look around for an already existing, huge group of "followers", and bingo.........an instantaneous loyal group.
Then find a reality TV star that could wind them up............

Then, gather all the Republican corporate men and/or wealthy. Next, increase these top dogs wealth with ludicrous tax cuts, increasing all their wealth substantially overnight and you are off to the races........

Because I do not see one bit of Christianity in there values.

because there is so little "angelic" intention or actions behind the "evangelicals".

I tell people that the old testament is worthless as a spiritual guide.
Jesus didn't teach old testament ideas. He brought forth a new, love based, way of thinking and living, and true Catholics and Christians should only pay attention to the New Testament if they want to follow the path of Jesus.

Pat Phillips

"I don't know how anyone could believe that Trump is rooting out corruption, unless their brain has gone missing."


Sadly this is about 40% of the population.

Showing the MAGA hat and something from the bible about the anti-christ and how his followers will carry his mark on their foreheads. I dug this up from the bible.

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits."

In doing so I remembered the part about trees that don't bear fruit should be cut down and thrown into the fire. An evangelical preacher said those words in condemnation of Gays.
I was at the service because my grandson was getting baptized there. Sad to say.

I believe every word of the Bible is pretty much equivalent to believing fuckface.

I don't even consider them Christians any longer. They are to Christianity what the "jihadist terrorists" are to Islam. They distort and selectively pick pieces of the holy book to fit their demonic form of religious righteousness.

I agree, they think he’s going to bring the end times.

Evangelicals + racists + The Selfish + The Stupid = enough people to re-elect him. Anyone thinking we’re better than this is wrong 💔

If she did she would know there are many contradicting statements made as well false statements.

Tell her you want to publicize it. Get that essay in writing. She could be committed in a few weeks.

it was never about corruption

They are neither compassionate nor true Christians and it’s time they are called out for what they are.

evolved and then the evangelicals and after them will be more and more. As a movement moves out of favor some street corner preacher will start something new blaming all those before them for the sin in the world. If and when the IRS law requires the preachers to hold theological degrees, I can see no hope..Too much money to be made like it is.

Have a very narcissistic veiw of the bible. Just read the end times crap and read it from a bullies perspective. A chosen one who is rewarded to be a priest king and bash his enemies with iron rods. Those in heaven can see people suffering in hell.. It's all disgusting. That is why I am a malthiest..

Someone who believes every word of the Bible is true possesses no ability to distinguish fact from fiction.

This is a library of books composed and compiled over hundreds of years that contains contradictory information and is read today in translations of translations of transcriptions of transcriptions.

It's a jumbled mess of oral and written traditions selected for inclusion using criteria meaningless to its modern audiences.

Anyone who believes every single word of the Bible is true is lying to themselves and to you. It is simply not possible to do so and be intellectually honest. Contradictions abound.

Therefore, anyone who claims that can absolutely also sincerely believe Trump is rooting out corruption. Because they lack basic critical thinking skills and will believe anything they choose to believe.

People who say they believe the authoritative word of god have picked the interpretation of a particular denomination, which selects parts of the bible to reinforce a belief system. Its impossible to actually believe something which is a huge, contradictory compilation.

I better be able to describe it. I have an advance degree in Divinity Studies with a concentration in comparative world mythology and hermeneutics. I love it when I get the door to door religious folks on my front step. "Sure, you're welcome to come in and discuss the Bible with me. I bet I can point out exactly where you get things wrong."

I'm always friendly, and I never point out exactly where they've got it wrong, but eventually they decide I'm the devil.

I don't have any degree in Divinity Studies but I did grow up in a family where bloody religious warfare was the favorite sport. It was like an expanded version of the Irish Troubles and every European religious war and persecution.

Christmas and Easter Holidays would always be ruined by fighting, yet year after year everyone kept coming back for more.

I'm still a little PTSD about Christmas.

My mom was a Jehovah's Witness when I was a kid until they kicked her out. As a young woman my mom had dreamed of being a nun, a creature of purity, until she met a leering, smoking, hard drinking Priest who made her very uncomfortable. Then she went to work in Hollywood for a prominent Catholic, met my dad on a television set, and they got married and had lots of babies.

She might have kept working when she got married and pregnant, but that was socially unacceptable in the 'fifties. She was pressured to be a housewife. That's when the Witnesses hooked her.

The only religion anyone in my Wild West family agreed upon was that they were not Mormon.

After my mom was booted out of the Witnesses we were Quaker. That also fit in with my heritage. A few of my ancestors fled Europe as Pacifists.

As a young adult I suffered a David Lynch version of "My Big Fat Greek Wedding." Fortunately we broke up before any wedding when I jumped out of her moving car after we'd committed a felony assault rescuing her girlfriend. She later married this girlfriend. I know she loved me in a way, but I was also the guy who proved to her young uncertain self and her parents she wasn't a lesbian. I never introduced her to my parents, maybe because they would have told me that.

I'm generally a Catholic heretic following after some of my ancestors. My wife and I had a Big Catholic Wedding and we raised our kids Catholic in the liberal intellectual tradition.

To anyone who doesn’t believe exactly as they do.

his university scams and then continue to give them stuff from a network that they trust.

It will blow their frigging minds.

As long as they get their pro-"life" agenda pushed through. They are willing to turn a blind eye to EVERYTHING. You know. They are so pro "life", they are willing let children be locked up in cages and die.

And then you have the other kind where they will believe ANYTHING anyone says. They are the morons that can't reconcile facts, videos, or any data that goes against what they are told to believe on fox news. This is the idiocracy crowd. Expect to see a lot of Gatorade hoarding so they can water their plants.