OH LORDY THERE'S A TAPE

[mia]

Link to tweet

[beachbumbob]

1. trump forgets and only cares about what he says at the current moment

lol

the liar liars of greatest proportion ever

[lagomorph777]

22. I dunno if he forgets; he at least assumes the MAGATs will forget.

Because they are exactly that stupid.

[iluvtennis]

45. MAGATs don't even need to forget. If he tells him that he didn't say it, they just believe it.

[malaise]

27. You are wrong - he doesn't forget

he doesn't even know what the fuck he said at any given moment - he is not a well person.
He is a vainglorious lunatic.
That is all.

[gab13by13]

36. Since he lies so much

maybe he didn't escape those STD's when he ducked out of Nam?

[malaise]

37. Probably since his useless brain is fried dry

[SergeStorms]

63. Stimulant addiction will do that to you.

Many things in Trump's mannerisms suggest he is either snorting or injecting Adderall. One of these days he's just going to keel over from a heart attack (if, indeed, he has a heart), a stroke, or an aneurysm. One can hope, can't one?

[mmbrevo]

39. Ha, as Judge Judy always says...

If you tell the truth, you don't have to have a good memory.

[Newest Reality]

51. I see a lot of what he says and does...

I see a lot of what he says and does as test marketing. He is constantly throwing things out, (lies or propaganda?) to see how they fly and people assume that it is merely deception. It is more than that.

When you are conditioning a country to accept a dictatorship, that's a very useful method to use. First, you don't really care what people tend to think about if it they just believe you are lying, (it becomes a good coverup). Second, you have more freedom and leeway to test the most ridiculous ideas, (and ideas are the point here) to see how far it will go and you can turn on a dime which adds the element of confusion and that's great for breaking down the wall of consensus and contaminating the gestalt.

The tiff between Trump and Barr is just one example of test marketing. It didn't go over well, but it did get attention. I don't know why this isn't obvious. When you have a reality TV show presidency, you do the same thing the show would, look at the ratings, (belief/intensity of disbelief) and try to adjust it and fine-tune the script as you go along, while the people on both sides are effectively distracted by the idea of believing rather than knowing, (as per this method, even).

We don't have to worry too much about censorship anymore. People are self-censoring and doing a conspiracy theory-style gate keeping in their own heads. That's Trump's territory.

[kurtcagle]

60. Agreed

A good used car salesman understands that he will be seen as a sleazy untrustworthy liar, and he uses that to his advantage by playing up the smarm. The customer things he's getting a deal, by putting one over the salesman, but the salesman knows his profit margins.

I don't think that Trump is all that bright, but he is a smidge above average. He understands the mechanics of authoritarianism.

[Newest Reality]

61. Thanks!

Yes, the used car salesman is a good example and so is what we call a "confidence man". It is not like he has not had a lifetime of experience and getting this far, (both as taking office and the path of destruction he is leaving) should be good examples of a expert "player".

All the other factors, (potential drug use, low-information, dementia, corruption) don't have to be ruled out and other dictators had scores of issues and resembled Trump in various ways. Those items just float around on top and, still, they can be made useful when necessary, especially when the right sycophants are in place to assist the illusion, as is the case right now.

[shanti]

52. He has dementia

among other things. Of course, he forgets - it's part of the disease. When he forgets, he embellishes. I will never forgive his 'helpers' that allow him to do this.

[Botany]

2. It is on tape

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/trump-claims-corona-flu-patients-get-better-by-going-to-work-and-falsely-says-death-rate-is-less-than-1/

“Well, I think the 3.4% is really a false number,” the President told the conservative cable network’s Sean Hannity. “Now, this is just my hunch, and, but based on a lot of conversation with a lot of people who do this, because a lot of people will have this and it’s very mild. They’ll get better very rapidly. They don’t even see a doctor. They don’t even call a doctor. You never hear about those people, so you can’t put them down in the category of the overall population in terms of this corona flu, and, or virus, so you just can’t do that,” Trump said, clearly trying to minimize the danger and the numbers of people infected.

“So we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that just get better, by, you know, sitting around and even going to work – some of ’em go to work – but they get better,” Trump claimed, which is dangerous, given how highly-contagious COVID-19 is.

[dubyadiprecession]

5. What's he going to say next?

Typhoid Mary never lost a day of work in her life.

[Captain Zero]

6. Someone needs to ask him

If somebody you work closely with like Mulvaney, Pompeo, or Ivanka gets the corona virus should they come to work in your office with you, if they know they have the corona virus? even if they are getting over it?

[Botany]

19. "Someone needs to ask him"

Who are these "a lot of people who are working on this?"

BTW A strong healthy young person might have the disease and not show the symptoms
very badly but he or she might very well be actively spreading the virus to people whose
systems might not be able to handle it so well.

[CaptYossarian]

26. With the names you've given, a group hug would make them feel better.

But with the point you made, Trump's words become even more dangerous than usual.

The solution in a lot of offices would be Telecommuting. Other occupations would be screwed.

[lastlib]

32. ....Or Hope Hicks, or Paula White, or KellyAnne,,,,

...or Melania; oh wait--someone he's CLOSE to........ **SNORT!**

[mia]

7. His lies and misleading statements will cost lives. n/t

[flibbitygiblets]

9. He conveniently skips over the fact that the folks "sitting aruond" are often not getting paid

He's preemptively gaslighting people who will get the "corona flu, and, or virus" for "sitting around", and casually suggesting that going to work is perfectly good option.

[thesquanderer]

30. I can't believe I'm going to defend Trump, but...

...saying that people have gotten better without treatment, even having gone to work, is NOT the same as suggesting that you go to work if you know you're infected.

Please don't make me do this again. It feels slimy.

[mmbrevo]

40. Right

It's so unnecessary. There are so many stupid things he says, no need to stretch the truth.

[johnthewoodworker]

41. You are nobel to try and defend, but the president should not be the guy suggesting that

going about your business while sick is a doable thing. Could you imagine Obama, or even Bush, making any kind of statement
like this. This was a moronic and simple minded mistake.

[Oppaloopa]

44. Which he makes on a weekly basis.

[jberryhill]

46. Nobody is "defending" Trump

The guy says a million stupid things a day.

However, to assert that in this statement he is encouraging people to go to work if they know they are infected, or to assert that he said they "should" go to work, is just not true as a matter of objective fact.

He is saying that people will mild symptoms will go to work and that their symptoms will resolve. That is true. Some people will do that, and that will happen.

He is not saying they "should" but stating the fact that they will.

Again, the guys says a million stupid things a day, but this one, while rambling and irrelevant, is clearly being stretched beyond what he actually said.

[mr_lebowski]

55. It think it can be quite reasonably argued that ...

" (people) just get better, by, you know, sitting around and even going to work"

implies that going to work may have curative value.

If someone says 'you get better by doing X', then its not an especially wild distortion to say that the person 'suggested X'.

Is it?

[jberryhill]

56. Those words have a context

Out of all of the dumb things this man says, running with one that needs that much of a footnote is simply absurd.

It's obvious he is not telling anyone to go to work sick. He is talking about people with mild or no symptoms who will go to work sick, get better, and not be counted among diagnosed cases.

[mr_lebowski]

59. My entire footnote could've been ...

If someone says 'you get better by doing X', then its not an especially wild distortion to say that the person 'suggested X'.

Not that much of a footnote IMHO.

Where he f-d up was with the use of the word 'by'.

And what about the people who didn't hear the entire context because they're doing other things with the TV on and just caught that blurb?

Even taking context into account, it was a freaking irresponsible thing to say no matter what.

But you're right, no reason to distort it into something even worse, it's bad enough as it is.

Trump at minimum suggested that it's not harmful to YOU if you're sick ... to decide to go to work.

That's bad enough.

MHO.

[mr_lebowski]

49. lol your post is the exact sort of nitpicking i do compulsively ...

Last edited Thu Mar 5, 2020, 01:50 PM - Edit history (1)

You're right, he did not TECHNICALLY suggest that people go to work when ill with coronavirus.

But in the context, the implication was, at minimum, that going to work is not detrimental to getting better, would you agree with that?

And if so, isn't that tantamount to 'suggesting there's (at least possibly) no harm to the sick person if they were to go to work'?

[stopdiggin]

53. you're being too generous I believe

ANY other politician (or public figure) would be absolutely trashed for making the suggestion that going to work when ill (with even a minor malady) was somehow acceptable. The same sentence (or reasoning) uttered in the context of a Covid-19 discussion ...?

NO! This is more "it's not that big a deal" crapola. He's dealt the same kind of sh** up before (fake news, Democratic hoax). It's deliberate. It's dangerous. It's dangerously ignorant. And Trump and Pence, and all his little errand boy messengers, should be absolutely torched every time they try to play this card.

Thanks.
edit: I'm being told that there is no suggestion that workplace attendance is acceptable. In the interest of accuracy and fairness I will retract on that point. The rest stands.

[Ms. Toad]

64. Since it appears likely that we will have Joe "Super Thursday" Biden as our candidate -

we might want to be careful about how heavily we jump on Trump for things ineptly stated.

There's tons of crap we can legitimately trounce him for.

[stopdiggin]

65. I COMPLETELY agree!

100% on "legitimate" Leave the crapola on the table.

[bullwinkle428]

35. "LESTER HOLT DOCTORED THE TAPE!!1!"

That, boys and girls, is what we refer to in comedy as a "call-back"!

[mia]

3. "Comcast covers the CoronaVirus situation horribly"

What does Trump mean by this?

[Captain Zero]

10. One of his nutjob twitter buds probably said it

That's the kind of short and sweet stuff that sticks in the cholesterol build up in his pea brain.

[True Blue American]

66. Does anyone think

Trump thinks at all before he speaks? Come on Guys! He just opens his mouth and spews. At times contradicting his former words.

We do not know where this came from, it came from China.

[A HERETIC I AM]

11. He means that they have the temerity to tell the truth

In other words, they report things he doesn’t like

[llmart]

38. "Comcast"??? WTF?

What do they have to do with anything?

He is off the rails.

[Caliman73]

50. Comcast owns MSNBC.

He attacks companies to injure them financially. See how he called MSNBC MSDNC?

He is an idiot but he knows that his words will carry weight and cast doubt on Comcast

[The Genealogist]

4. The cultist deplorables don't care about tapes

They care about their orange object of worship.

[Bengus81]

8. Ok,so where is this "clip"?

I don't see it.

[dalton99a]

13. Here

[Bengus81]

17. Thanks..found one also on Huffington

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-work-coronavirus_n_5e608bd2c5b69d641c0aa3dc

[LAS14]

14. See reply 2. nt

[LAS14]

12. I hate to say it, but us Dems staying clear headed is...

... a high value for me. He was not being responsible, but he wasn't saying people should go to work. He was saying that a lot of infected people aren't counted in the mortality figures because they behave as if they aren't sick. So let's not give Fox news fodder for the fake fake news meme. (Is that the right way to use 'meme?')

[ScratchCat]

15. Agree

Was just about to post the same thing. He's a dumbass, but he didn't say that.

However, I do wonder what his "behind the scenes problem" with Comcast is now. He never mentions a company like that unless he is trying to harm them financially.

[stillcool]

25. yeah...there's plenty of ammo out there...

no one needs to use blanks.

[spooky3]

34. Agree nt

[jberryhill]

47. You are brave, but correct

Sometimes, it seems that among the constant flow of bullshit from this man, one in particular gets taken to use as 'bait'.

Objectively, he is not suggesting that anyone should go to work sick. He is, as you said, stating that people with mild or no symptoms are going to do that, and their infection will resolve on its own, and that if they never see a doctor, get tested, etc., then they are not going to be included in the stats.

I agree with you that simply jumping on every thing that comes down the pike sometimes results in the sort of exaggeration that ultimately undermines credibility.

[malaise]

58. The bigger issue by far is the 3.4%

Don the Con should STFU about his hunches - leave it to the experts.

[tavernier]

16. Did anyone else's mind go straight to the pee pee tape?

[CaptYossarian]

29. My first thought.

Then I pictured an image of a piece of masking tape with the letter P on it--Sharpie, of course.

[skip fox]

18. The major problem with his "go to work sick" suggestion (it was at least that)

is that MagaHeads will go to work sick to prove the mighty leader correct.

That will explode the number of cases, resulting in more deaths.

[LAS14]

20. Let's not give fodder to the fake news story tellers.

He didn't suggest that people go to work. He was describing a phenomenon where people aren't counted as sick because they don't change their behavior, like staying home from work.

[bucolic_frolic]

21. Cheer up! Fox News viewers have their health advisory

and it's all clear!

[gademocrat7]

23. Dangerous, incompetent,pathological liar.

[Democrats_win]

24. It's always about him and the drama.

The facts never mattered from day one. Even when he said he didn't have time for political correctness, it was never about that. The reason is that he lives for the drama. Problem is, he has power and we can't ignore this walking POS.

[Siwsan]

28. Didn't he, once, kick Mulvaney out of the room, just for coughing???

[CaptYossarian]

31. Yes. I would kick him out just for being Mulvaney.

[Siwsan]

33. Abso-freaking-lutely!

[sandensea]

42. Next up: "The idea that I pork Ivanka is disgusting and fake news!!!"

But oh Lordy.....

[W T F]

43. DID HE JUST SAY SEAN HANNITY IS FAKE NEWS???

[Chakaconcarne]

48. In fairness, he didn't say people SHOULD go to work....

He said people have been going to work, have been able to work.....

Certainly doesn't help with the fake news narrative.

That is my opinion.

[jberryhill]

57. Someone(s) wants us to insist he said that

Someone(s) has motivations of their own.

[SergeStorms]

54. Someone from the D.C. Public Works Department....

must have connected the main sewer line directly to Trump's mouth. Someone should look into this before it causes more problems.

[struggle4progress]

62. Beginning around 24:00

" ... we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better, just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work ..."