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Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:15 PM

I have someone arguing Trump has been better for women, blacks, poor last 3 yrs than Obama

in all 8 yrs. I googled and saw headline and seeing it is about the economy. Can someone help who is in the know so I do not have to do the research. I am assuming they are talking about the economy. Obama walked in to disaster. Took time to start mending. Growth was slow but progressively moved upward. Trump came in and adopted Obama economy continued to grow giving Trump the ability to make this statement. Is this correct?

Also, I read Trump is going after sanctuary cities. That is not a plus on his side.

He has certainly hurt ACA which is not a win for poor.

The racism and hate certainly hurts our women, gays and POC.

Any info would be appreciated.

Edit to add: When I read that from him I told him, DONE. Done done done. I was done. I often get there in conversation with him. But he says, facts, done because of facts and there are others reading my feed that are not so informed. Many Republicans that do not like or cannot stomach Trump but can vote Biden. This is for the other readers. It is not for this man. Long ago, I relegated him to, done.

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Reply I have someone arguing Trump has been better for women, blacks, poor last 3 yrs than Obama (Original post)
LizBeth Mar 2020 OP
still_one Mar 2020 #1
JustAnotherGen Mar 2020 #3
LizBeth Mar 2020 #4
still_one Mar 2020 #19
LizBeth Mar 2020 #20
still_one Mar 2020 #23
LizBeth Mar 2020 #26
still_one Mar 2020 #36
uponit7771 Mar 2020 #25
Javaman Mar 2020 #2
LizBeth Mar 2020 #7
Javaman Mar 2020 #9
tavernier Mar 2020 #5
Frustratedlady Mar 2020 #6
SKKY Mar 2020 #8
jmbar2 Mar 2020 #10
Xipe Totec Mar 2020 #11
world wide wally Mar 2020 #12
Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2020 #13
LizBeth Mar 2020 #16
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2020 #14
gratuitous Mar 2020 #15
LizBeth Mar 2020 #17
subterranean Mar 2020 #18
LizBeth Mar 2020 #21
LizBeth Mar 2020 #22
RT Atlanta Mar 2020 #24
LizBeth Mar 2020 #27
TygrBright Mar 2020 #28
LizBeth Mar 2020 #29
Downtown Hound Mar 2020 #30
LizBeth Mar 2020 #33
NewJeffCT Mar 2020 #31
LizBeth Mar 2020 #34
NewJeffCT Mar 2020 #38
stillcool Mar 2020 #32
LizBeth Mar 2020 #35
sinkingfeeling Mar 2020 #37
LizBeth Mar 2020 #39
sinkingfeeling Mar 2020 #40
LizBeth Mar 2020 #41
GulfCoast66 Mar 2020 #42
LizBeth Mar 2020 #43

Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:16 PM

1. Was that Cornell West you were talking with?

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:18 PM

3. +1000

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:18 PM

4. Ah, left leaning Libertarian old white man that thinks white men are being picked on but is all in

for Tulsi and thinks she is being picked on. I would not care but it is on my feed where a lot of non political read so I would like a coherent answer to his statement for other readers.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:49 PM

19. I was making a joke as evidenced by the emoji i used, definitely not directed against the

frustration the OP was experiencing by engaging with a trumper

I apologize

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Response to still_one (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:53 PM

20. I totally got that. ;)

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 04:03 PM

23. Personally i avoid those discussions with those type of folks, but if i did engage I would ask him

why trump has reversed or trying to reverse the work done on women's rights and civil rights, not only by reversing much of the work President Obama accomplished, but also his supreme court and judicial appointments


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Response to still_one (Reply #23)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 04:07 PM

26. Good points. Thank you. I already have quite a bit to put in this post I will be making later.

Like I said, not for him, more for the other readers.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #26)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 04:48 PM

36. +++

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 04:06 PM

25. +1,

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:17 PM

2. don't waste your time. no matter what links you provide...

if they are that far up the oranges assholes asshole, they will just claim fake news.

you can't fix stupid.

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Response to Javaman (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:20 PM

7. It is nto for him. It is for other readers who are not informed. I like to put out truth so I

want to get this right. Many are Republicans who cannot stomach Trump and are movable especially with a Biden nomination.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:21 PM

9. good point. Cheers. :) nt

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:19 PM

5. Do not argue with cultists.

It takes special training and even then it rarely succeeds.

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:19 PM

6. Your "someone" needs medical help or a hearing aid. You won't have to look far to see he/she is

all wet. Just sayin'.

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:21 PM

8. Ask them to discuss the economy Trump inherited vice the economy Obama inherited...

...Big, big difference. But, since it's facts, they probably won't be interested in hearing it. Just leave the cult of personality alone. It's not worth it.

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:23 PM

10. Ask them who they think would be a good replacement for Trump

People who prefer authoritarian rule generally don't think past the current occupant. If you can get them to imagine an alternative, you might have a way to have a conversation.

Otherwise, you're wasting your time if it's a hard core MAGAt.

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:24 PM

11. In terms of energizing the base and weaponizing opposition, then yea. nt

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:29 PM

12. Parrotting the orange orangutang himself

Get a brain, idiot

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:29 PM

13. Just saying that because the economy is overall *better* and everybody is doing *better*

does NOT mean that Trump is a friend to women, African-Americans, low-income workers, etc. Ask your friend what specific policies he has implemented that have made life substantively better for them. Just saying "the economy is good" isn't good enough, nor does it even mean that everybody is benefiting equally from it.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:32 PM

16. That is why I am looking for info. When I glanced at his statement I went immediately to anger

and Trump sexual assault and the disgust that he would say Trump was good for women. Then I considered the argument he was presenting that he was referring to economy. I like your point about what has Trump done specifically.

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:30 PM

14. They're sniffing their own farts

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:31 PM

15. Trump-bots are stuck on the stock market

Understandable, because that's about the only metric that looks good at all for Trump. Point out how poorly the markets have been doing in the last two weeks. Then, point out that if the Dow Jones had been doing as well under Trump as it did under Obama to this date in each man's administration, the market would be over 34,000 today, instead of plummeting down to 26,000 and maybe below 26,000.

When the inevitable bleating comes out about how easy Obama had it and how unfair everything is for Trump, point out the 2008 financial sector meltdown that was bequeathed to Obama by the MBA president. If your correspondent doesn't want to engage on those terms, tell him you're not interested in a debate with someone so divorced from reality.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:33 PM

17. Perfect. Thank you. This is what I am looking for and a little copy and paste works for me.

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:48 PM

18. Did the person you were arguing with back up their claim with any facts?

I think when Trump and his worshipers make that argument, they are speaking strictly about the low unemployment rate, which of course Trump takes all the credit for. But average monthly job growth was better in Obama's last three years than in Trump's first three, so even that doesn't hold water.

But the unemployment rate is not the only thing that matters. The administration's other policies -- hostility to reproductive rights, gutting of the social safety net, removal of environmental regulations, attempts to repeal the ACA, etc. -- are demonstrably bad for women, blacks and the poor (and many other people, too).

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Response to subterranean (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:55 PM

21. No, he did not offer facts. I wanted to educate myself a little before asking for that.

I imagine he will present exactly like you say. Over time, I have been reading, but I do not retain the same manner I did younger. I knew that they were saying this and there was a counter argument. This is what I was looking for. Thank you. I did not want ot read tons, to get here.

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Response to subterranean (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:57 PM

22. Again, rereading, thank you. I can copy and paste the whole thing, lol

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 04:04 PM

24. my grandmother used to say she wished 'stupid were painful'

n/t

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Response to RT Atlanta (Reply #24)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 04:08 PM

27. Truth. I might even steal that one. Lol

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 04:14 PM

28. Is this person female, black, or poor?

No?

A pleasant "STFU" is indicated.

helpfully,
Bright

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Response to TygrBright (Reply #28)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 04:16 PM

29. Old white man on board with white men picked on most. That is the first response I gave.

stfu. Lol. He came back to the fact comment so I feel a need to address that for the other readers. I went livid when I first read that, going to Trumps sexual assaults.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #30)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 04:30 PM

33. TY!

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 04:17 PM

31. This twitter thread has some good economic data - not by race

but, it does have the fact that almost the entire wage increase for the "working class" (or, the "Blue Collar Boom" that Trump and his toadies are touting) is due to minimum wage increases passed by Democrats at the state and local levels.


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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #31)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 04:31 PM

34. Living in a blue state where we are getting the minimum wage increase, I was going to argue this.

I didn't have back up, so thank you, but it seemed a logical argument.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #34)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:37 PM

38. Chris Lu on Twitter has some good economic info as well

he was assistant secretary of Labor under Obama

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 04:27 PM

32. ask them about the deficit...

they're all up in arms about that, but now that they don't care. Stats about anything you want to know can be found here, just by doing a search. And you get the links to the articles they came from, to back it up.

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Response to stillcool (Reply #32)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 04:32 PM

35. Totally. I am going to have to gather and make it concise. You guys are the best.

Thank you for all the info.

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:19 PM

37. I'll bet your someone is a middle income, white male.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #37)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:44 PM

39. And a little bit of a trust fund, hasn't worked in at least two decades.

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Response to LizBeth (Reply #39)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:59 PM

40. I always love how they speak for women, POC, and the poor.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #40)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 07:56 PM

41. Right.

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Response to LizBeth (Original post)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 08:02 PM

42. Never argue with an idiot.

They bring the argument down to their level and beat you through experience.

Or as my grandfather used to say “never wrestle with a pig. You both get muddy and the pig likes it”.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #42)

Thu Mar 5, 2020, 08:13 PM

43. Ha ha, that is cute.

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