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MFM008

(19,805 posts)
2. The 1918 flu
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 01:56 PM
Mar 2020

Was more deadly than the black death.
At this early stage we dont know what
COVID 19 is yet.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
3. Well... not exactly...
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 02:13 PM
Mar 2020

The black death, one of the bubonic plague runs killed between 75 million and 200 million people which was 30-60% of the population of Europe and Asia during a time when the earth was much less populated. Translated to the early 20th century that would be around a billion or more.
The plague is very different than any flu or coronavirus and transmitted in a completely different way. It's symptoms and pathology is completely different, more like Ebola but I wouldn't even make that analogy because bubonic plague is a bacteria not a virus, Bacterium Yersinia Pestis. With today's antibiotics it is easily killed off.
Viruses are a whole different world.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
9. Me too.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 02:45 PM
Mar 2020

This is history for sure. But that's all. I love history especially ancient history. There's much to learn there about humanity in the present.

UTUSN

(70,683 posts)
4. It is a fine analogy to the EFFECTS of a devastation on a population - the fear & the precautions
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 02:28 PM
Mar 2020

The precautions of avoiding others, isolating into quarantined spaces, and so on.

Those in the thread who are arguing about virus vs. bacteria and about non-identical circumstances are missing the O.P.'s point. All things old are new again.

We can even see BOCACCIO's people all locked up together or wearing masks and telling their Triple XXX rated stories to one another.





defacto7

(13,485 posts)
10. That's me you're calling out.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 02:52 PM
Mar 2020

Time for me to stand down when the issue at hand gets splintered. If it wasn’t about our present situation I stand corrected and apologize. History is good all by itself.

UTUSN

(70,683 posts)
11. I'm not looking for a confrontation, which is why I didn't address you directly & thought that
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 03:12 PM
Mar 2020

more than one posters were disputing the O.P., but now that you've addressed me, I'll say that the *DESCRIPTION* from history in the O.P. is very much "about our present situation." The details of causes are irrelevant.

The psychological effects and reactions of whatever generic epidemic is what the topic is, whether seven centuries ago or now. So are you saying that historical events - which are HUMAN events, meaning within a limited spectrum of behaviors - are stand-alone things that are not to be compared or thought about as replications? So I cannot say that I think that today's authoritarian and oligarchic trends will lead to another French Revolution because the French Revolution is "good all by itself"?






UTUSN

(70,683 posts)
13. My better nature says to let it go. But, oh well!1
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 04:09 PM
Mar 2020

"dear" - a term of non-endearment. And you're ungrammatically (double negative) calling me not "logical nor honest"?

**********AND********not only do you frequent a Group on "Philosophy" but you also *Host* it?!1

I'm extricating myself from this, but methinks 'twon't be the end of it (on your part).






Iggo

(47,549 posts)
5. This part.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 02:30 PM
Mar 2020

"In which circumstances, not to speak of many others of a similar or even graver complexion, divers apprehensions and imaginations were engendered in the minds of such as were left alive, inclining almost all of them to the same harsh resolution, to wit, to shun and abhor all contact with the sick and all that belonged to them, thinking thereby to make each his own health secure. Among whom there were those who thought that to live temperately and avoid all excess would count for much as a preservative against seizures of this kind. Wherefore they banded together, and dissociating themselves from all others, formed communities in houses where there were no sick, and lived a separate and secluded life, which they regulated with the utmost care, avoiding every kind of luxury, but eating and drinking moderately of the most delicate viands and the finest wines, holding converse with none but one another, lest tidings of sickness or death should reach them, and diverting their minds with music and such other delights as they could devise. Others, the bias of whose minds was in the opposite direction, maintained, that to drink freely, frequent places of public resort, and take their pleasure with song and revel, sparing to satisfy no appetite, and to laugh and mock at no event, was the sovereign remedy for so great an evil: and that which they affirmed they also put in practice, so far as they were able, resorting day and night, now to this tavern, now to that, drinking with an entire disregard of rule or measure, and by preference making the houses of others, as it were, their inns, if they but saw in them aught that was particularly to their taste or liking; which they, were readily able to do, because the owners, seeing death imminent, had become as reckless of their property as of their lives; so that most of the houses were open to all comers, and no distinction was observed between the stranger who presented himself and the rightful lord. Thus, adhering ever to their inhuman determination to shun the sick, as far as possible, they ordered their life. In this extremity of our city's suffering and tribulation the venerable authority of laws, human and divine, was abased and all but totally dissolved for lack of those who should have administered and enforced them, most of whom, like the rest of the citizens, were either dead or sick or so hard bested for servants that they were unable to execute any office; whereby every man was free to do what was right in his own eyes."

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
7. The word quarantine comes from Venice and their 40 day isolation of ships from coming into the city
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 02:38 PM
Mar 2020

Venetian dialect form of 'Quaranta giorni' or 'quarantinario', meaning 40 days, ships from infected ports were required to sit at anchor before landing in the 14th century as a measure of disease prevention from the plague

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