What happens after Republicans are crushed in November?

[Cary]

It is possible that they refuse to abide by the results but I assume that won't happen.

Do they see that Trump and Trumpism have no place in their party? Do they repudiate Trump and Trumpism and revert back to being simple liars and dog whistle, casual racists?

I don't see how they resurrect their "small government" schtick. I don't see any viable path for them but then I never dreamed that they could sink this far.

[uponit7771]

1. Trump wont leave, there are still people who give him the benefit of the doubt.

[MFM008]

51. Id like to

See what Biden will do about that not leaving thingy...

[Zorro]

2. They'll go on being the obstructionist assholes they are

and always have been.

[Cary]

3. Do any of them see that as a dead end?

[TwilightZone]

4. They know it's a dead end.

They're getting as much as they can for as long as they can.

They know that their time is limited, based on demographics and many other factors. Hence, the desperation to stay in power now.

[scarytomcat]

38. They think they can rule forever because they know what the answers are or

it doesn't matter anyway because god will take all us good people that followed his bible.

[Downtown Hound]

5. They'll whine a lot like they always do, but they will leave

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And then they will switch tactics to being the obstructionist assholes they've always been.

[Turin_C3PO]

6. You would think

they’d do some soul searching and moderate their views and stop the bigotry. But they probably won’t. Soon, demographics will ensure that Republicans will be swept into the dustbin of history if they don’t change their ways.

[Under The Radar]

7. Imagine the damage of a lame duck Trump

...with a lame duck Republican controlled senate.
Pardons for all Trump associates, funds diverted, recorded levels of paper shredding.
HOWEVER, do not become confident in a Republican loss. They got by without punishment from the last stollen election, this time they are emboldened.

[Midnight Writer]

16. This. They will loot the joint and set fire to it on their way out the door.

And they will not die as a Party. We saw this after the corruption of Nixon. They were out of power for four years and then doubled down with Reagan, an Administration even more corrupt than Nixon's.

[Under The Radar]

17. I remember it well. Like Hilary said, The GOP is great at Messaging

[maxsolomon]

8. counting chickens? not advisable.

your faith in the American Voter is admirable. I do not share it.

[Turin_C3PO]

10. Most evidence points to Trump being

booted out of office by the Democrat. He has the advantages of incumbency and Obama’s economy but that’s it. His approval never goes above 45% and is often lower. Although it’s early, polls show Trump losing all the swing states. There’s definitely a very good chance of us winning.

[maxsolomon]

13. Fun dayn moyl zu Got's oyem.

I'm aware, I just know that that Pres. Asshole is a Sociopath, and the GOP is a Sociopathic party willing to utilize Sociopaths of any and every stripe.

I look at Biden and Sanders and I don't see men who are quick-witted enough, or understand how to structure a media campaign against a charismatic Sociopath in a nation filled with misinformed propaganda victims. It's the same challenge the righteous face in every nation beset by Right Wing Populism.

The Dems better hire some psychiatrists to craft their attacks.

[Thomas Hurt]

9. I don't think Trump will leave, and the GOP will back him.

After he is forced out, there will be a few wingers who will snap and kill people, no civil war, just right wing terrorism...that we have been largely minimizing and ignoring for last several decades.

The courts have been thoroughly tainted though and that will be where they will retaliate with activism by law suit.

Of course if they have large enough minorities in the Senate or House they will obstruct.

Not expecting the Senate to swing wildly in the Democrats favor, they will block all court appointments, and continue to sit on all legislation. Also a lot of investigations from the Senate committees.

[griffi94]

11. Trump will go down the memory hole.

Just like Bush has.
You've got people in the GOP now who were whooping it up
for Bush just as much as they're whooping it up for Trump.
But it's difficult these days to find anyone who will admit they were all in for Bush.
Expect the same thing to happen again. In a couple of years they'll be whooping it
up for Nikki Haley or Tom Cotton and you won't be able to find a Republican that will
admit to supporting Trump.
The GOPs ideas have failed. Instead of ideas they'll continue to rally behind personalities.

[Cary]

24. That is part of what I am pondering

i will go further. Not only do their policies not work, but they are dysfunctional. Detachment from reality ends when the detached run into that reality.

Maybe a crushing defeat in November is that reality?

I don't know, of course. I am just floating it out there and trying to find some hope.

[griffi94]

41. The GOP suffered crushing defeat in 2008.

They rallied with the Tea Party and continued to detach from reality.
However, they're running out of road to continue that. They lost so many voters
since 2016. But those lost voter (at least a lot of them) will drift back to the GOP
when Trump is gone. They'll happily follow Tom Cotton or Ted Cruz.
They're probly going to be locked out of the White House for a while but they can make gains in the HOR.

[Mr. Ected]

12. I think Trump will dispute the results & Putin will help him manufacture proof of a rigged election

He will refuse to leave the WH and his psychophants will loudly support his entrenchment.

The media will report the news of the fixed election as if it were predicated in fact. The GOP will accuse the Dems of having done what the GOP has been doing for Trump since 2016 and say that it was us doing it all along. His psychophants will rally behind him.

Even on the off chance that Trump leaves, he won't leave. He will continue to rant and rave on Twitter and the media will report each tweet as if it was verifiable and newsworthy. He will muddle and lie and deceive and muckrake. The media will latch on even more than they already have. He will offer to remain the President for "real Americans" aka FOX News watchers. They will continue to empower him.

You see, we're not dealing with Republicans, or Trump, or anything that insubstantial. We're dealing with a massive disinformation campaign in the Soviet style (with their full engagement). The media isn't driven by the First Amendment or American politics; it's driven by $$$ and $$$ alone. It's sick, but it signals the downfall of our nation, and I'm afraid that a blue wave will be enough to win the battle but not the war.

[mcar]

14. They will suddenly realize that the deficit must be reduced,

and that the presidency has too much power. Plus, they will insist that Democrats reinstate the filibuster for judicial nominees, in the interest of fairness.

[Cary]

25. Hopefully we regain the Senate

[mcar]

29. And tell the Rs to stuff it

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

15. No matter what, Reps still will have a 40+ seat presence in the Senate

so no bills will pass.

And, maybe, no Dem-selected Supreme Court justice will be seated. I know, it only takes 51 today, but somehow Reps will try to raise the bar to 60, acting between the election and the new year.

[Stuart G]

18. The Republican Party will recuperate from the disaster, that is what we did in 1972.

...I remember the disaster of 1972. We lost all the states but one. It looked as if our party was totally dead, but it wasn't. Just because something looks dead, doesn't mean it is dead.

Proof: 4 years after the disaster of 1972 we elected a Democrat, from Georgia, Jimmy Carter.

[customerserviceguy]

19. Let's get there first

before we decide what to do about those who have trouble accepting the new reality, if it comes to pass.

What freaks me out is the numbers that have come out to vote for Trump in what is essentially an uncontested GOP primary.

[jmowreader]

20. What NEEDS to happen...

...is that the Republican Party is abolished by federal law. We can use the RICO statutes to break the damned thing up, and then we can work to prohibit anyone currently in the Republican Party from ever holding an office of public trust again.

[Cary]

23. No.

[Stevegberg]

21. you're assuming they will be crushed

don't assume anything.

[Cary]

22. Why not?

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So far turnouts in the primaries are huge. If we turn out we crush them. We are turning out.

[bronxiteforever]

26. +1

[Awsi Dooger]

34. Turnout means nothing compared to preference

Nothing, nothing and beyond nothing. I can't believe turnout ever comes up as a topic. There is no such thing as crushing the other side with turnout. I have wagered on politics for 28 years. When one side senses the energy the other side senses the same thing. Lack of enthusiasm on one side equates to lack of energy on the other side. You are never going to see a presidential general election with one side lining up for 8 hours and the other side snoozing at home on the couch.

Midterm electorate favors the GOP since it's an older more conservative crowd. Youth do not show up and single women don't participate in as high a numbers as in presidential years. That's why wave midterms are higher net for the GOP than our side. But once presidential years return the familiar pattern emerges regarding turnout.

In short, don't fall for the Rachel Bitecofer crap. Swing voters are still very real. They will decide the election. Anyone who thinks right wingers won't storm to the polls is an outright fool. Depending on the youth vote as tipping point is always the definition of foolish.

Pay attention to Trump's approval rating on 538. He will probably receive roughly 3% higher than that number in the national popular vote. We need it to stay where it is now -- 42.8% -- or drop lower. The recent trend is good because it was up to 44.6% a few weeks ago.

I will be thrilled at any razor thin victory. Ousting an incumbent is a monumental undertaking.

[John Fante]

32. A large number of posters here assume that Trump will win again.

I don't see what's wrong with pondering a scenario that's more likely to happen.

[fleabiscuit]

42. I'm assuming you mean get out and vote like your life depends on doing it, because it may.

Welcome to the DU.

[marble falls]

52. Vote.

[safeinOhio]

27. By Thanksgiving they will all be

lawyered up.

[whathehell]

28. We throw a party?

[Afromania]

30. They won't have to do anything. The Trump voted will forget him like the loser he is.

They'll continue the shit ways with a new avatar for their hate. Who knows which thug will take up the mantle, but I do know one will and will be supported by the base. The on!y question is if the good and the same will ever become lax and complacent enough to let this shut happen again. We must never again assume these people won't attempt to burn the country down again.

[calimary]

31. I guess it'll depend on how many republi-CONS survive Election Day.

If they’re licking their wounds and wondering where the first goodbye luncheons are going to be held, then that’s a good thing.

In that case, we have to message AND plan for attacking them on the “Ignoring the Voice of the People” and “GOP is DEFYING/IGNORING the Results of the Election.” “WE Decide. And WE Decided. And they’re STILL Not Listening, America.” Any wonder WHY America chose DEMOCRATS.”

Push their noses into it. Push their faces into it. Start up with a new line of attack ads, even! Let’s NOT be nice.

And why?

Because if they wind up losing, expect - and plan for - them to try to wreck the joint on their way out. They’ll be the “okay! WE’LL Show YOU!” party. So one way we fight that is to make as much noise about what poor sports they are. What pissants they are. How totally and thoroughly UNWORTHY to be given the responsibility of leadership. To be TRUSTED with the responsibility of leadership!

It’s time for the REAL adults to be back in charge.

They would have to be portrayed as unsportsman-like, immature, not ready or worthy to trust with the ship of state. Destructive, selfish, untrustworthy, dishonest, and thoroughly UN-American.

And we need to repeat this again and again.

Because if they lose, don’t forget they’re led by The First Pissant. They’re led by a baby-“man” who’s famous for being petty and vindictive, and will try to destroy everything he can see, on his way out.

And we need to say so. Loud, Clear, and REPEATEDLY!

[tavernier]

33. They will look for someone even nuttier to run the next time.

Maybe Jim Bakker can hornswaggle and dupe the cultists one more time around, although wasn’t he made a felon the last time he stole the the gold teeth from all his church ladies??

[MyNameGoesHere]

35. Oh they will abide by the results.

And we will expose our backs in the name of bipartisanship so they can stick the knife in more easily. Rinse repeat.

[RobertDevereaux]

36. This toxic party must be destroyed and buried deep...

Alas, how that's to be done, beyond our elections in 2020, 2022, and 2024, I have no idea.

At least in 1945, German crazies were hobbled by an international coalition.

We need massive correctional measures to our federal government, that's for certain.

[Cary]

45. I would.love to see a sustained groundswell for elimination of the EC

And too some muting of the inequality of representation in the Senate.

[struggle4progress]

37. Why don't we concentrate on winning in November rather than speculating?

We need to be well-organized to win November

And if any manner of shizz were to schmeck into some proverbial fan blades, we'd need to be well-organized to respond

So no matter what may happen, our task today is to concentrate on becoming well-organized

[matt819]

39. Some thoughts

1. I would just want trump - all of them - to go away. And they won’t. Can the Media all agree to just not cover them? Can Bloomberg and gates and buffet buy fox, Twitter, and Facebook and ban these crooks?

2. Can you imagine being the secret service agents who have to protect this vile piece of garbage after he’s out of office? Ewwww!

[delisen]

40. The Bush faction republicans are ready for 2004

They have influenced the Trump adm on judges for example and they will be ready to move in 2024.

They are actively waiting and probably confident they will win in 2024.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

43. Maybe Americans start looking at each other as fellow citizens again

And we work to rebuild from the crater we will be in

[canetoad]

44. I'm kinda glad that this reply

Is buried at the end of a long thread and likely will not be read.

The problem is systemic. On paper, yes, the USA has a good and perfect democracy. From the primaries to the election.

The problem is, you are always in a state of... contest? I can't quite bring up the correct term. Best I have is an analogy, read during the 90s to explain the outbreak of soccer violence in Europe.

An elite game of soccer is usually low scoring, thus no regular outlets of emotion for the spectators. Compare to other football games - US Gridiron, Rugby, Aussie Rules etc. Plenty of scoring, cheers and thus outlets for emotion.

Tension builds, in your case, for four years. I know of no country that has a longer, more vicious, more verbally violent election process than the US.

[Cary]

50. We have vestiges of slavery

Our democracy is not perfect and remains susceptible to exactly the kind of demagogue whom our founders feared.

[Vinca]

46. That's easy to answer. They immediately blame Democrats for everything.

[Cary]

48. That's a given, yes.

[Norbert]

47. I don't know which I want more; the Senate majority or trump sent packing.

Although the thought of him being 'leader' of the free world for four more years is absolutely unacceptable.

[Cary]

49. We desperately need both