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DemoTex

(25,393 posts)
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 05:12 PM Mar 2020

How I flew 250+ combat missions in Vietnam and lived to tell about it: a lesson for COVID-19


SAM arcs plotted the kill zone for known SAM - surface-to-air-missile - sites (Photoshopped for emphasis, and yes, that is me 50 years ago)

I avoided flying into the SAM arcs. I avoided areas of known danger. I stayed away from SAM sites. Flying into the SAM arc got you and your crew extremely killed, or worse (captured).

I payed very close attention to my pre-mission briefings, which was done by military intelligence EXPERTS. They told me over and over, "DON'T FLY INTO THE SAM ARCS!" So, I did not "chase" targets into the SAM arcs. I never second guessed the experts. If they briefed me that a SAM site or anti-aircraft gun was at location X, I took their word .. 100%! I avoided location X.

I never put my crew in a compromising position, with respect to getting shot down. There were enough guns down there we did not know about, why get close to the places that would almost certainly shoot your ass out of the sky?

There were pilots that did not subscribe to my levels of caution. Some were cowboys. Some were damnfools. Some were congenital assholes who left trails of havoc behind them, and - sometimes - lived to tell about it. We all know the type.

I made it through Vietnam by adhering closely to the philosophy of Captain Yossarian of Joseph Heller's classic Catch-22: Yossarian wanted to live forever, or die trying. The operative word here is "TRYING."
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How I flew 250+ combat missions in Vietnam and lived to tell about it: a lesson for COVID-19 (Original Post) DemoTex Mar 2020 OP
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Mar 2020 #1
You sir one fine officer TEB Mar 2020 #2
Amazing. Glad you are still here to tell. efhmc Mar 2020 #3
Just want to say, BRAVO! Baked Potato Mar 2020 #4
OMG Mac you were hot! Skittles Mar 2020 #5
Easy now... bluecollar2 Mar 2020 #9
Smokin' hot!!!! Alliepoo Mar 2020 #10
I thought I'd be the first one to say it. Dem2theMax Mar 2020 #17
Calm down Poiuyt Mar 2020 #20
I'm trying. Sitting here minding my own business, and then I see that photo? Dem2theMax Mar 2020 #21
And you are SO fickle. trof Mar 2020 #18
aw you're still in my top five, trof Skittles Mar 2020 #25
OK. I feel better now. trof Mar 2020 #28
This is saying like it is. And boy howdy, is it ever applicable today? OH YES. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2020 #6
hahah omg Ms Pegster Skittles Mar 2020 #26
"I never second guessed the experts." SunSeeker Mar 2020 #7
HA! oldsoftie Mar 2020 #16
I love this story HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #8
Kick burrowowl Mar 2020 #11
I hope we all get it. Thank you. Joinfortmill Mar 2020 #12
Great analogy, and life or death for many. Unfortunately we are the crew as well as the pilots. JudyM Mar 2020 #13
B-52? N/T gay texan Mar 2020 #14
OK bud, you get a KnR just for the Yossarian quote. trof Mar 2020 #15
Wasn't it Alan Arkin? Throckmorton Mar 2020 #24
I'm the confused one. Senior moment. Thanks. trof Mar 2020 #29
Respect! FakeNoose Mar 2020 #19
Assessing Risk Roy Rolling Mar 2020 #22
KnRnThanks Hekate Mar 2020 #23
Munificent, princely, selfless. sprinkleeninow Mar 2020 #27
Perfect! paleotn Mar 2020 #30
Great story even better lesson to learn. Pepsidog Mar 2020 #31

Dem2theMax

(9,650 posts)
17. I thought I'd be the first one to say it.
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 06:45 PM
Mar 2020

But I walked away from my phone for a while, and others beat me to it.

And yes, I had to go back after and read the text. Was way too busy looking at the photo.

Me thinks DemoTex needs to turn the camera in the other direction the next time he's taking pictures from a fire lookout. Selfie time!

Dem2theMax

(9,650 posts)
21. I'm trying. Sitting here minding my own business, and then I see that photo?
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 06:59 PM
Mar 2020

Hello Poiuyt! So good to 'see' you!

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
26. hahah omg Ms Pegster
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 07:13 PM
Mar 2020

at work a guy in India IM'd me asking what BOY HOWDY meant, someone had used it in a Skype conversation at work

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
13. Great analogy, and life or death for many. Unfortunately we are the crew as well as the pilots.
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 06:32 PM
Mar 2020

Unless we have a situation that allows us to actually seclude ourselves, cowboys and damnfools can unthinkingly, uncaringly or even innocently contaminate our environment.

FakeNoose

(32,633 posts)
19. Respect!
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 06:52 PM
Mar 2020

And yes, the COVID-19 is a known threat. We must protect our people, the medical caregivers, the weakest and most likely victims, and indeed ALL Americans!

We need to act like this is a war against a known enemy, and we all want to get out of it alive!


Roy Rolling

(6,911 posts)
22. Assessing Risk
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 07:09 PM
Mar 2020

The most difficult, simple task in the world. Those who take it seriously live to tell about it. Those who don’t are the object of movie quotes like “a man’s got to know his limitations”.

Thanks for walking the walk.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
30. Perfect!
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 07:59 PM
Mar 2020

Straight forward and to the point. Keep your distance. Cough in your elbow. Don't shake hands. Don't touch your face. Wash your hands frequently. If you feel sick, be a stand up person and stay home if at all possible. Don't spread it around. Questions? That is all.

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