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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 01:44 PM Mar 2020

"He's definitely melting down over this": Trump, germaphobe, struggles to control crisis

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/trump-germaphobe-in-chief-struggles-to-control-the-covid-19-story

Publicly, he sees it as yet another (“Fake News”) media war; privately, he worries about virus-carrying journalists on Air Force One. But cancel his rallies? “I’m not going to do it,” he says.

BY GABRIEL SHERMAN

MARCH 9, 2020

Ever since the coronavirus exploded outside of China at the end of January, Donald Trump has treated the public health crisis as a media war that he could win with the right messaging. But with cases now documented in 34 states and markets plunging, Republicans close to Trump fear his rosy assessments are fundamentally detached from reality in ways that will make the epidemic worse. “He is trying to control the narrative and he can’t,” a former West Wing official told me.

The problem is that the crisis fits into his preexisting and deeply held worldview—that the media is always searching for a story to bring him down. Covid-19 is merely the latest instance, and he’s reacting in familiar ways. “So much FAKE NEWS!” Trump tweeted this morning. “He wants Justice to open investigations of the media for market manipulation,” a source close to the White House told me. Trump is also frustrated with his West Wing for not getting a handle on the news cycle. “He’s very frustrated he doesn’t have a good team around him,” a former White House official said. On Friday he forced out acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney and replaced him with former House Freedom Caucus chair Mark Meadows. Trump thought the virus was “getting beyond Mick,” a person briefed on the internal discussions said. Trump has also complained that economic adviser Larry Kudlow is not doing enough to calm jittery markets. Last week Kudlow refused Trump’s request that Kudlow hold an on-camera press briefing, sources said. “Larry didn’t want to have to take questions about coronavirus,” a person close to Kudlow told me. “Larry’s not a doctor. How can he answer questions about something he doesn’t know?”

Trump found a willing surrogate in Kellyanne Conway, but Conway’s dubious claim on Friday that the virus “is being contained” only made the P.R. situation worse.

Trump’s efforts to take control of the story himself have so far failed. A source said Trump was pleased with ratings for the Fox News town hall last Thursday, but he was furious with how he looked on television. “Trump said afterwards that the lighting was bad,” a source briefed on the conversation said. “He said, ‘We need Bill Shine back in here. Bill would never allow this.’”

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Stories about Trump’s coronavirus fears have spread through the White House. Last week Trump told aides he’s afraid journalists will try to purposefully contract coronavirus to give it to him on Air Force One, a person close to the administration told me. The source also said Trump has asked the Secret Service to set up a screening program and bar anyone who has a cough from the White House grounds. “He’s definitely melting down over this,” the source said.

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lame54

(35,284 posts)
2. TRUMP IS NOT A GERMAPHOBE...
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 01:53 PM
Mar 2020

He raw dogs porn stars
He shakes hands during an epedemic
He is denying this is even happening

Quit accepting this lie

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
4. I don't think so ...
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 01:57 PM
Mar 2020

My bet is that he immediately sanitizes his hands after shaking hands.

Not every germaphobe cares about their dick getting germs on it.

Phobias are weird things that are very specific to the person.

lame54

(35,284 posts)
7. Bullshit - everything Trump says is a lie...
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:09 PM
Mar 2020

The clip this morning shows him shaking many many hands like he's throwing in our faces
Another own the libs moment
Signaling to his cult that this isn't really happening

Arrogant, vindictive, callous - that I believe

Germaphobe?- HELL NO!

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
9. People with phobias are often able to overcome them if they feel the rewards
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:54 PM
Mar 2020

are compelling enough.

Someone who frets about heights all the time, normally ... decides to ride the elevator up the Eiffel Tower on their first trip to Europe, because they've always wanted to go up the Eiffel Tower. That sort of thing does happen ... it doesn't mean they don't have the phobia.

I agree he's completely full of shit in general, but this particular claim has been confirmed by lots of different people. We're not just taking his word on it (which means jackshit, as you point out).

lame54

(35,284 posts)
12. We are watching in real time...
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 03:24 PM
Mar 2020

Trump inviting this virus to spread

This is not a dirty lever that Trump has to find the courage to pull to save all of humanity

This is him being told to NOT shake hands and him going out and spitefully shaking more hands

And your only proof is testimony from the liars that he surrounds himself with

He is not a germaphobe

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
13. Fact is neither of us knows for sure either way ...
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 03:34 PM
Mar 2020

I'm saying I'd not be at all surprised if he actually is. The evidence you've presented against it ... I don't find entirely compelling.

All phobias have 'degrees', you know? There's people who worry about germs obsessively, but don't clean their hands immediately after touching anything in their surroundings. And then there's some that have it so bad they HAVE to clean their hands after touching practically anything. There's people who refuse to use a towel to dry their hands, they have to have a paper towel. Others will use a towel to dry one time, but then they throw it in the wash machine.

There really isn't one solitary definition of 'phobia'. It's an inherently nebulous term, in fact. The manifestations can be different in different people.

But you can go head on and be 100% certain that you're right if you want to

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
15. I agree, and drinking would surprise me less ...
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 05:32 PM
Mar 2020

Here's another thing ... phobia's are generally viewed as being defective or weak, people tend to ridicule people w/phobias.

Trump hates being seen as weak, and it provides him no advantage to admit to this.

You might say, well the Russia thing, but he's been saying this since 2007 at least ...



I'll leave it at that, we can agree to disagree

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
6. I think he might be an idiot germaphobe, or wants
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:07 PM
Mar 2020

everyone to believe he's a germaphobe.

As an idiot, he's selective in defining germs. Otherwise, he wants his wives to believe he's incapable of rawdogging and or getting off on golden showers.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
11. If Trump 'gets off' on Golden Showers, I'd give 50 to 1 odds ...
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 03:03 PM
Mar 2020

That he gets off on doing the showering, not being showered.

That's a far more logical presumption based on his overall personality.

Could still be wrong, but like I say ... I'd give ya real good odds to bet against me

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
3. Such a freaking narcissist, it's really incredible ... I mean, it is to a fault ...
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 01:55 PM
Mar 2020

All the man EVER thinks about ... is Trump.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
10. Monk used to shake people's hands on the show ...
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 03:00 PM
Mar 2020

But only if Natalie was standing there with wipes for him to use immediately afterwards.

I would guess that Trump is the same sort of dude.

Quite a few people have claimed he's germaphobic, it's not just him.

That said, I don't really get why it's terribly important either way.

You can easily bet that, as much of a power-mad narcissist as he is, he really hates being sick. And he's probably deathly afraid of catching a sickness that could kill him ... most people are pretty afraid of that.

pecosbob

(7,537 posts)
17. But cancel his rallies? "I'm not going to do it," he says.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 08:03 PM
Mar 2020

So his rallies will become coronavirus hot-spots...cuz Merica, fuk yeah.

smb

(3,471 posts)
18. "He's Very Frustrated He Doesn't Have A Good Team Around Him"
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 11:56 AM
Mar 2020

Gee, Doofus, maybe you'd have a better team if you selected tough competent people instead of pathetic ass-kissers.

manhattan123

(302 posts)
19. How he looks on TV...
Tue Mar 10, 2020, 12:05 PM
Mar 2020

"..."Trump was pleased with ratings for the Fox News town hall last Thursday, but he was furious with how he looked on television. “Trump said afterwards that the lighting was bad,” a source briefed on the conversation said."

lol

I guess those evil LED bulbs were out in force again.

Has he actually ever seen himself on TV before? Or in a mirror?

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